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The Pirate Bay To Create YouTube Competitor
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kdawson
on Sat May 19, 2007 05:06 PM
from the torrential dept.
from the torrential dept.
Jared writes "The Pirate Bay has confirmed that is working on a streaming video site with user-generated content. A spokesman said the site will be modeled after YouTube but there will be 'no censorship': The Pirate Bay 'will not be the moral police' and determine what content stays or goes as is oftentimes the case with YouTube. He added that 'the community will have to do that.'" The site will be at thevideobay.org, but nothing is up there for the public yet.
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Ironically (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Ironically (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm curious how they are going to pay for the bandwidth to run such an endeavor. If the service is unreachable due to bandwidth issues then no matter how in demand it might be its not going to go anywhere. I'm sure that thepiratebay.org is a fairly high traffic site but essentially they are just serving lots of little static text files. Full, streaming video is going to be a bit of a jump from that.
I imagine they have some sort of person-network in place for bandwidth but how will that scale? Even things like topsites wouldn't use as much bandwidth as a youtube thing since they are hidden from the general public.
I'm perplexed.
Re:Ironically (Score:5, Funny)
(http://bakahoushi.deviantart.com/)
Re:Ironically (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://elgoog.rb-hosting.de/)
"But Flash XMLSockets can only make outgoing connections to servers in the same domain that supplied the movie," I hear you cry.
"Ah," I respond sagely, "who determines what is inside thevideobay.org's domain if not thevideobay.org itself?"
"So they're assigning single-use dynamic DNS names to all their clients, but that doesn't solve the outgoing connection limitation," you protest.
"Hush little one," I reply with irritating condescension, "have you never heard of TCP simultaneous open with port prediction [cornell.edu]? It has an 85% success rate through domestic NATs and doesn't require raw sockets."
Already a site that does this... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Already a site that does this... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Already a site that does this... (Score:5, Informative)
Something tells me a war is comming (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://www.in-trinsic.net/)
Re:Something tells me a war is comming (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://www.komar.org/christmas/)
But yea, the content providers who have to "operate by the rules" will be handicapped ... so perhaps I Too Welcome our new Video Site Overlords!
Sneak preview (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Tuesday June 24 2003, @04:25PM)
(Though one of their test uploads looks to be NSFW) google cache of thevideobay.org/recent [64.233.167.104]
Prior to shutting down all external links that were left live, they were using flvplayer.js with this header in the javascript.
Update to sneak preview (Score:5, Informative)
(http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Tuesday June 24 2003, @04:25PM)
You can also download some of the sample uploaded vids, but some are VERY weird.. probably nsfw.. you have been warned!
http://video01.thevideobay.org/vids/38.flv [thevideobay.org] (replace "38" with any number)
this is a non-event (Score:5, Interesting)
Or the main stream won't notice because censorship is a nerd issue. So for the last time, there are no girls surfing youtube that want to see you naked.
Also Sweden's laws allow hosting .torrents as they are not copyrighted, but tpb will have all the same headaches as anyone else if they start serving up tv rips off their servers.
Re:this is a non-event (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Something tells me a war is comming (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://thewaxwingslain.com/)
Here's a news flash for the "entertainment industry": I'd even PAY for such a site that doesn't have restrictions on hosted content. Pay AND click through to their advertisers. And because it's The Pirate Bay, I'd even tell my friends about it, because while Sony and iTunes and URGE and [Corporate Media Site Here] has always had some aspect of their service that was like a stone in my shoe, not to mention DRM (which is a deal-breaker for me under even the best circumstances], The Pirate Bay has managed to give this consumer exactly what he wants.
The big Entertainment/Industrial Complex just doesn't get that a satisfied customer is a happy customer, and happy customers will make you a success. So while they are all looking for new ways to frustrate the consumer, someone like The Pirate Bay has an opportunity to do it right.
The entire entertainment industry can't disintegrate fast enough for me. And you know what? There will still be music, and movies, and novels, and art. And the innovators, the creative souls will still make a living. Brittney Spears might become underemployed, but that's just the price of sucking.
pr0n (Score:4, Insightful)
Let's be honest, that's what we're talking about here.
Re:pr0n (Score:5, Insightful)
pornotube and xtube _do_ have restrictions on what you can upload.
Re:pr0n (Score:5, Funny)
Paedophiles (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Paedophiles (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.crfh.net/ | Last Journal: Tuesday November 14 2006, @02:47PM)
I suspect there will be something similar for the VideoBay site.
No censorship? Or no blame for censorship? (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://hallert.net/)
Freedom of speech exists not so people can say things that other folks agree with, it's so that the unpopular opinions can exist too. That's why Illinois Nazis (I hate those guys) can do their thing, not just the civil rights marchers.
So, in practice, I bet there'll be little difference between the end product and YouTube. New boss will be same as the old boss, except instead of a room of guys with thin mustaches and black eyebands that cackle as they zap content, it'll be legions of computer users doing the same thing.
Re:No censorship? Or no blame for censorship? (Score:5, Funny)
(http://slashdot.org/)
There'll be more porn. More, weirder porn. I'm looking forward to it.
Re:Niche Porn (Score:5, Funny)
Lawsuit (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Lawsuit (Score:5, Informative)
(Last Journal: Friday January 30 2004, @03:41PM)
They thought the last lawsuit and raid were bad?
"Just some stats...
Tiamo gets *very* drunk and then something crashes: 4 days
Anakata gets a really bad cold and noone is around: 7 days
The US and Swedish gov. forces the police to steal our servers: 3 days
Wow, they're hiding their ph33r well.
lol, indeed.
Bad bad news (Score:2, Insightful)
(http://www.infiltrated.net/)
The site will be hosted on Sealand, (Score:5, Funny)
Good (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://damac.us/)
That's fine and dandy (Score:1)
Is this legal? (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://www.poromenos.org/)
Potential Uses (Score:3, Interesting)
Of course the video quality would have to greatly surpass that of youtube for this to work...
I'm all for no censorship except... (Score:1)
Awww yeah! (Score:5, Funny)
(http://slashdot.org/)
If TPB went legit... (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://slashdot.org/zoo.pl?op=check&uid=1098781 | Last Journal: Wednesday May 23, @09:45PM)
Developing such a site demands a return on investment, which calls for a business model and legitimate corporate structure, which will ultimately require them to protect themselves by censoring their users and removing illegal content.
Looks to me like the start of a slippery slope - if TPB ever goes legit it will bring about the end of an era. Until copyright law is reformed on the international stage, true rebels will have to remain completely outside of the system.
-P
These guys are asking for it (Score:2, Redundant)
I see no use of their service, YouTube isn't exactly repressive and brutally censoring free speech, is it.
In related news... (Score:2, Funny)
Streaming Sucks (Score:1)
(http://robotmonkeys.net/ | Last Journal: Tuesday October 26 2004, @03:23AM)
Web TIVO? (Score:1)
Just like a TIVO you could tell it what kind of tv you like and it brings up suggestions, teach it what specific shows you like and throw in a random function so you could create a few 'channels' just like regular tv.
The potential is there to end up with something quite extraordinarily good, lets hope the programmers can come up trumps, that there's plenty of server space + bandwidth for decent quality video that looks good on fullscreen, and lastly that they've thought out the sticky legal situation of hosting (inevitably) copyrighted material.
Misplaced morals (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://www.scenepointblank.com/)
Moral? Er, doesn't it just mean, "the police"? Sharing copyrighted material is a legal matter, it's not like debating the ethics of euthanasia.
Wont be an easy ride (Score:1, Insightful)
Actually hosting copyrighted material, which will happen and wont be "user censored" sooner or later, and their gonna be violating copyright. Now sure, they wont be getting DMCA notices, they'll be getting polite nudges from the swedish legal system to take em down before they have to throw em all in jail.
Unless... they really are buying sealand, yaaar.
limits (Score:1, Informative)
A quick look in the forums.. (Score:2, Informative)
already been done (Score:2)
(Last Journal: Sunday August 20 2006, @09:16PM)
what's in a name (Score:1, Funny)
(http://stonedcat.deadjournal.com/)
Clever, Pirate Bay, very clever indeed. (Score:5, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Monday February 13 2006, @07:11PM)
I'm not sure about the USA, but over here, it's not put in the same class as downloading. That's illegal as usual.
So while the uploader may well be a criminal according to Swedish law, due to the design, that'll probably be very time consuming to prosecute those. Much like individual BitTorrent original seeders. You don't see those punished often. And all Swedish users of the site would use it legally. I'm not sure where the host would stand legally, but then again, I'm not sure TPB will be the hosting server either, or if it'll be distributed to a third party (read: country).
So, once again, they're seeking to enter a legal loophole much like The Pirate Bay currently operates within the boundaries of a Swedish "BBS law" where it's OK to host non-copyrighted content, which
YouTube Clone immune to copyright lawsuits (Score:3, Informative)
(Last Journal: Saturday August 18, @01:56PM)
On an unrelated note, you've gotta check out the banana video [godtube.com],. . .
Pirates FTW (Score:1)
(http://www.myspace.com/goodguy3)
Video, proving pirates better than ninjas, coming soon.
define 'no censorship' (Score:2)
(http://www.positech.co.uk/)
Aside from full Family Guy and Lost episodes (Score:1)
(Last Journal: Saturday September 24 2005, @03:25PM)
Sorry, I can get all that now, and those same videos are posted on at least a hundred other sites. I say file this idea under "Redundant, redundant, redundant". And if there's one thing I really, really, really can't stand, hate, and loath, not to mention dislike intensely, is redundancy.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Re:What's wrong with this picture, moving that is. (Score:2)
(Last Journal: Tuesday January 30 2007, @08:29PM)
Re:What's wrong with this picture, moving that is. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:What's wrong with this picture, moving that is. (Score:2)
Re:What's wrong with this picture, moving that is. (Score:1)
step illustrated instructions (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://slashdot.org/~nurb432/ | Last Journal: Friday August 27 2004, @03:24PM)
And dont forget, in some countries its a right to do things that isnt ok here ( whereever 'here' happens to be ). So who's 'rights' and 'morals' should prevail? Mine? Yours? How about the guy that thinks cows are his reincarnated relatives and is sacred so eating them is immoral? Or the guy that has a right to carry a firearm?
Nothing is black and white, unless we all end up living under ONE government at some point.
Re:What's wrong with this picture, moving that is. (Score:2)
That said, PirateBay might get in trouble if they take their "no censoring" rule that seriously.
Re:What's wrong with this picture, moving that is. (Score:1)
You should microwave the baby to eat it AFTER sodomizing it to death...