Warner Brothers Pulls Canadian Previews 273
A number of readers let us know that Reuters and others are reporting that Warner Brothers is canceling movie previews in Canadian theaters, starting with Oceans Thirteen. A Warner VP said, "Within the first week of a film's release, you can almost be certain that somewhere out there a Canadian copy will show up." Recently, the International Intellectual Property Association placed Canada on its Priority Watch List, along with the likes of Argentina, China, Russia, Turkey, and Venezuela. This community knows, thanks to Michael Geist, that the claim is mostly ficiton.
Lucky Canadians (Score:5, Funny)
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occasionally I've had passes to showings of films a week or two before they came out - and i always have had to explain to people that it was an 'early showing' or some such. if I just said preview, they wouldn't know what I meant, so I think the usage is pretty common.
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This is for preview Screenings.. meaning the full film being played before it's release date to a select audience (generally newspaper reviewers and radio contest winners).
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It's worth noting that, even if what you suggest were so (that they plan to stop showing preview commercials in front of movies), all that would result in is more advertisements for Pepsi and Nike.
Yet another reason I hate going to the theatre... They charge way too much for the ticket for me to think it's OK for them to also force feed me advertisements for things that are completely unrelated to the movies.
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A few years late, but.... (Score:2, Funny)
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I think that it's high time that we stop this tyranny, protect the movie studios, and invade Canada.
I see no alternative.
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Re:A few years late, but.... (Score:4, Informative)
Not only were the British still here afterwards, you lot had to rebuild the White House after we'd burned it down.
You didn't meet your objectives
Re:A few years late, but.... (Score:4, Funny)
This time around, we gave you Celine Dion.
DON'T MESS WITH CANADA! pffffffffffffffffh!
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Or blame society?
Or should we blame the images on TV?
No, blame Canada
Blame Canada
Maybe I missed something... (Score:4, Insightful)
You're probably thinking of a trailer (Score:3, Informative)
His confusion is quite reasonable (Score:2)
In the GP's defense, they do say "THE FOLLOWING PREVIEW IS RATED whatever" before each trailer.
Re:You're probably thinking of a trailer (Score:4, Informative)
In Britain (and I assume also in Canada), there's often a showing before the release date. Usually a day early, sometimes a week early. This is usualyl billed as a "special preview" or something to hype it up and to make people feel they're getting something special. Actually it usually just means the effective release date is the day before the posters claim.
So perhaps the headline should read "Movie piracy delays Canadian Release by up to a week".
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I don't know if calling 'trailers' 'previews' is an Americanism, but I found the whole thing pretty confusing.
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preview screening = full movie shown before it's release
Shooting themselves in the foot (Score:5, Insightful)
Do they really think this is somehow going to help them make more revenue if there's no buzz on the street, amongst friends and no reviews in papers?
Talk about stupid. The movie industry seems as stupid as the RIAA labels..
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Re:Shooting themselves in the foot (Score:5, Insightful)
it's not stupid. it's moderately smart and it seems to be working quite well in the US.
WTF are they thinking?! (Score:5, Insightful)
I hate to break it to them, but anyone who is watching a copy of a movie from that medium was not in a position to actually buy a ticket or DVD.
-Rick
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Re:WTF are they thinking?! (Score:5, Insightful)
Warner - and the MPAA by extension - want control of Canada the way they have control of America. This is a political tool to get publicity, and get a few ignorant members or a Tory Parliament to bite and draft up a version of the DMCA for Canada.
The message is clear: assimilate or else.
Re:WTF are they thinking?! (Score:5, Insightful)
This has nothing to do with what they say it does, and everything to do with making everyone think that Canada is some major rogue when it comes to IP law. This move is, itself, an advertisement for their political position.
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Exactly what I see, too. All the major network channels are hyping this story for their nightly news programs tonight. "Laying the groundwork" to make sure that the issue is known for the upcoming legislation, and that the industry's side is seen as the reasonable and desirable choice among the uninformed.
We need more guys like Micheal Geist (preferably someo
Re:Shooting themselves in the foot (Score:5, Funny)
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I go to a lot of previews (part of the perks of being a University of Toronto student if you know where to look). Whenever a preview is shown to a select group of U of T students, there's a noticeable buzz going around campus (40,000+ strong) about the new movie. For example, I went to the previews for The Last King of Scotland and Waitress. After watching the previews, spreading a few words here and there myself, there's a noticeable amount of interest for those two movies.
Anyway, I don't know why Warner Bros would do this. Fox previews require us to hand in cell phones and they pat us down to check for recording devices. I don't mind letting them have a little touch if they're showing me a good movie for free. It's a win-win.
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Be sure to get a free dinner at a restaurant as well.
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Self-fulfilling prophecy (Score:5, Insightful)
Prediction: by August, there'll be a press release noting that revenues for Ocean's Thirteen and Harry Potter were low, and that it'sss all the faults of those tricksy pirateses stealing their preciousss, and that (surprise, surprise), the only solution is that the Canadian government "harmonize" its rules with the US by passing something equivalent to (or worse than) the DMCA.
Awesome! (Score:5, Insightful)
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Reduce theatre prices, as obviously people want to spend 80$ every time you take the kids to a show.
$80?? How many kids do you have?? The most I've ever seen a ticket price is $10, and it's typically around $8 where I live.
Now, let's really examine that $8. EIGHT FREAKING DOLLARS. To see a production that they possibly spent hundreds of millions of dollars to produce. Ever priced live theatre? The circus? A concert? Sports events?
It always floors me that people complain about the price of tickets. W
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Er, so don't go to the movies you don't want to see? Seriously. I have friends who go to see movies that I have no interest in, and so I just don't go with them. Not a difficult situation to fix.
The plus side of this is that you can hear from them whether or not you want to go see it later, or get it on netflix (or the like).
Re:Awesome! (Score:5, Insightful)
I'd rather support our godawful tobacco taxes than let those wankers try to dictate how our fair use should work.
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Should the Federal Government start banning them? (Score:2)
And they're going to use the money the don't send down south to the US to create a movie industry in Canada.
Oh wait, they're already here and their cameras are going to be available? Saweeet!
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Now what can we do as a nation to get them to pull their crappy movies from our theaters?
Fill your theatres with quality home-grown content [wikipedia.org]. You might even get a government subsidy.
Seems straightforward to me (Score:3, Insightful)
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There's some other coverage on this.... (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGA
The Globe And Mail is one of Canada's largest daily newspapers and has some amount of influence. Also, Mathew Ingram is somewhat influential in the "blogisphere" up north. I think he's hit the nail on the head. Too bad the studios won't be paying attention.
Oblig Reference (Score:2)
Go Team USA! (Score:5, Funny)
Come, my fellow Americans, we can do this! We have a week to get our copy of Oceans Thirteen up! FTW!!
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Though it might come a week late with a couple weird characters on the screen.
Sequelitis (Score:2)
I do have a few questions which might lead to concern for a studio exec.
1) Just how much equipment, in dollars, does it take to transfer a movie to DVD or an HD format?
2) Is this equipment easily transportable?
3) How long does the transfer take?
4) How much would it take to bribe a projectionist or theatre manager to allow someon
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this is why they're getting rid of the previews. you can't bribe them to copy what they don't have.
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that's what i was refering to and that's what this is (supposedly) supposed to eliminate.
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I have a feeling that banning previews for _Oceans 13_ will only help its draw,
Yes, it's one of those movies that makes you ask "Why bother?". The original Oceans 11 was a vehicle for Frank Sinatra and the Rat Pack. So this is the second sequel of a remake. For a second-rate heist movie.
Maybe they're trying to break the record for second-rate sequels, currently held by "Police Academy 7".
No previews? BONUS! (Score:2)
This, IMO, is a good first step.... (Score:3, Insightful)
Stop 1 - Make movies
Stop 2 - Don't release them to the public
Stop 3
Stop 4 profit!
Movie Piracy Helps Prevent Gun Crime (Score:5, Funny)
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the golden rule became "he who has the gold makes the rules", which near-perfectly describes the state of the us government in this matter.
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That might be a bit difficult to make happen. Most of the production of US goods takes place in places like ... China. There isn't enough manufacturing capacity in the US to 'flood the Chinese market' -- nor could you get it there. The reason China has counterfeit versions of US products is because they're made the
This ought hurt (Score:2)
No, people shouldn't camcord in theatres, but if this is supposed to get the common citizen to get up in arms, it isn't going to happen. Fact is, I doubt anyone will even notice.
The only thing I can hope (Score:2)
The only thing I can hope is that with all the self-doomsday predictions by the media industry about how they're going to go bust is that they suddenly actually do. That would be funny.
BullFUD... (Score:2)
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Morons (Score:2)
This is actually a good thing (Score:2)
All this said, I really doubt that any correlation will be drawn from this.
This is to give ammo (Score:4, Informative)
Don't forget, the "piracy" claims come from an industry whose reputation for "creative accounting" is cited as examples of such in accounting textbooks!
This is great news!!!! (Score:2, Funny)
Preview or pre-release (Score:2)
Good Riddance! (Score:2)
I was doing the long distance thing for a while with the girlfriend while in college. There was a preview screening of "Miracle" at the movie theater, and as avid hockey fans, my roommate and I had to go. I tell the girlfriend that I'm going to see "Miracle" tonight. A few days later she finds out that "Miracle" was not out in theaters yet. It took some explain
They'll be missed (Score:2)
The true irony... (Score:2)
The last film I saw which I actually considered worth seeing was Batman Begins, and even that was still an unofficial sequel. (Or prequel, if you want to split hairs)
That however is all the movie industry is doing now...remake after sequel after sequel after remake. There is absolutely nothing of any originality whatsoever being produced, and there hasn't been
Oh Dear (Score:4, Insightful)
Can't say I was really looking forward to seeing Oceans Thirteen. Twelve just struck me as party amongst the upper echelons of Really Really Really Good Looking® society flouncing around in their "aren't we simply FABULOUS darling?" way while deigning to let us watch. One also gets tired of Mr. Clooney being the Sexiest Man In The History of This Planet or Any Other Since His Personal Image Consultant Taught Him to Stop Wiggling His Head Like That.
More to the point, if Warner thinks they can push Canada around with their fabricated numbers they are in for a surprise. The US isn't necessarily every Canadian's favourite country right now and bully tactics are likely to backfire. Plus, if Harper caves he will be judged as an American tody-boy and his Conservatives will find themselves back in the political outhouse for another 15 years, the same way they were after Mulroney sang Danny Boy to Regan like some desperately sycophantic wiener. Harper knows that so he won't be able to make our laws Just Like America, much as he'd love to.
You have to realize that Canada gave away a lot to get the softwood lumber deal, just to see American industry continue to sue us us, obstruct business, and pay off the government to ignore it's own obligations under NAFTA. Canadians are cheesed about this, among other things, so the idea of a puffed up American lawyer dictating how we should run our country is...unwelcome.
So to my American friends, don't worry, we'll take care of business on our end. It would really help, though, if you could slap these Napoleonic dweebs down a bit yourselves.
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It appears that ocean's thirteen is venturing back towards a casino heist movie... kind of a rehash of the original rehash. Which is not to say that the people will get any less pretentiously good looking, but rather they'll be in the proper setting fo
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No previews for you! Come back one year! (Score:2)
Seriously though, this reminds me of when I was receiving an unsolicited magazine/catalog in the mail. It kept coming every month for several months. Finally, one of them showed up with a sticker that said "If you don't order something, this may be the last catalog you receive! Don't take that
Validity Of Geist's Disproving... (Score:2, Informative)
This community knows, thanks to Michael Geist, that the claim is mostly ficiton.
From Geist's figures: 179 camcorder versions out of 1,400 releases in 3 years. Or, approximately 60 a year.
The flaw in that logic is assuming all movies are equal in terms of revenue.
Hundreds of movies will see limited theatrical screenings and certainly never make it to pirate DVD because they're worthless to the pirates. Whilst a movie like The Station Agent is an undeniably great movie, short of winning awards, a movie about an anti social dwarf trainspotter isn't going to get the interest of many peopl
Ficiton? New word? (Score:4, Funny)
This community knows, thanks to Michael Geist, that the claim is mostly ficiton
ficiton (noun): an imaginary particle, spontaneously generated by media company executives (morons), to rationalize irrational behavior. The process of emitting and absorbing ficitons is termed con-fusion
.At early screening they took everything electronic (Score:3, Insightful)
I think they should actually follow through with the previous threat and delay all movies in Canada by two weeks, that will be long enough for everyone to get the real buzz on the movie and should result in substantially less people being suckered by hype. Then they can find someone else to blame.
But let's face it, this is not really about Canadians camcordering movies. This is all about greasing public opinion for an attempt to intro more draconian copyright laws in Canada so we can enjoy the benefits of industry lawyers threatening our 12 year old kids and grannies with lawsuits about something they might have infringed and then forking over the money because they are too scared to fight.
My hope is that our current minority government situation will make such draconian changes much more difficult to pass.
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I wouldn't -- maybe having fewer prerelease screenings means the newspapers will contain a smaller percentage of talk about movies.
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They will just add more talk about celebrities. I gave up on "news" outlets a long time ago.
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Excellent idea. Sarah Polley's "Away From Her" looks good.
Publicity Stunt by MPAA (Score:5, Insightful)
ttyl
Farrell
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yes, everyone has, and (almost) everyone is tired of that joke.
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this is "bribe the manager/projector operator and copy directly off the reels", which gives pretty stupendous quality (remember, it's meant to look good after having been expanded onto a 30' screen).
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