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Digg.com Attempts To Suppress HD-DVD Revolt

Posted by kdawson on Tue May 01, 2007 11:26 PM
from the toothpaste-back-in-the-tube dept.
fieryprophet writes "An astonishing number of stories related to HD-DVD encryption keys have gone missing in action from digg.com, in many cases along with the account of the diggers who submitted them. Diggers are in open revolt against the moderators and are retaliating in clever and inventive ways. At one point, the entire front page comprised only stories that in one way or another were related to the hex number. Digg users quickly pointed to the HD DVD sponsorship of Diggnation, the Digg podcast show. Search digg for HD-DVD song lyrics, coffee mugs, shirts, and more for a small taste of the rebellion." Search Google for a broader picture; at this writing, about 283,000 pages contain the number with hyphens, and just under 10,000 without hyphens. There's a song. Several domain names including variations of the number have been reserved. Update: 05/02 05:44 GMT by J : New blog post from Kevin Rose of Digg to its users: "We hear you."
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[+] Censoring a Number 1046 comments
Rudd-O writes "Months after successful discovery of the HD-DVD processing key, an unprecedented campaign of censorship, in the form of DMCA takedown notices by the MPAA, has hit the Net. For example Spooky Action at a Distance was killed. More disturbingly, my story got Dugg twice, with the second wave hitting 15,500 votes, and today I found out it had simply disappeared from Digg. How long until the long arm of the MPAA gets to my own site (run in Ecuador) and the rest of them holding the processing key? How long will we let rampant censorship go on, in the name of economic interest?" How long before the magic 16-hex-pairs number shows up in a comment here?
[+] EFF and Dvorak Blame the Digg Revolt On Lawyers 262 comments
enharmonix writes "A bit of an update on the recent Digg revolt over AACS. The NYTimes has taken notice and written quite a decent article that actually acknowledges that the take-down notices amount to censorship and documents instances of the infamous key appearing in purely expressive form. I was pleased to see the similarity to 2600 and deCSS was not lost on the Times either. More interesting is that the EFF's Fred von Lohmann blames the digg revolt on lawyers. And in an opinion piece, John Dvorak expands on that theme."
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  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2007, @11:27PM (#18951023)
    If you're one of the endless little "Slashdot is dead, go to digg" trolls that reply to stories every now & again, I (and the rest of slashdot) would like to say: "Fuck You".

    Your wonderful little Digg isn't looking so wonderful now - is it?

    In comparison to Digg's censorship, slashdot has the hex key as a story tag. [slashdot.org]
    • by Marcion (876801) on Tuesday May 01 2007, @11:34PM (#18951091) Homepage Journal
      All credit to the song, its quite good actually, I am gonna set it as my ringtone I think.

      Who'd have thought, they would use all that Web 2.0 wisdom of the crowds stuff to hide the fact they censor everything.

      kdawson, and the old Taco himself, we salute you.
  • Credibility (Score:5, Insightful)

    by airencracken (993443) on Tuesday May 01 2007, @11:31PM (#18951053) Homepage Journal
    Digg took a big hit to their credibility today. They underestimated the outrage caused by the banning of users and removal of stories. Perhaps they'll learn that the site is made by the users. Without diggers, there is no digg.
    • Re:Credibility (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Marcion (876801) on Tuesday May 01 2007, @11:43PM (#18951201) Homepage Journal
      "Our goal is always to maintain a purely democratic system for the submission and sharing of information" ... " the posting of the encryption key infringes their intellectual property rights. In order to respect these rights" ... "we have removed postings of the key that have been brought to our attention." - Digg

      '"intellectual property" - The distorting and confusing term did not arise by accident. Companies that gain from the confusion promoted it... eject the narrow perspectives and simplistic picture the term "intellectual property" suggests. Consider each of these issues separately, in its fullness, and you have a chance of considering them well.' -- RMS

    • Raise your hand if you are surprised.

      Digg is a website that is only as good as the users that contribute to it. Its user base is a bunch of people that... well... lets face it, watch Diggnation.

      I rest my case.
    • Re:Credibility (Score:5, Insightful)

      by ZachPruckowski (918562) <zachary.pruckowski@gmail.com> on Tuesday May 01 2007, @11:49PM (#18951273)
      This just proves that the journey is as important as the destination. Both digg and slashdot will ultimately have to remove most of the instances of the number eventually, but digg is doing it in secret. Ultimately, slashdot will get a DMCA notice, and can chose whether or not to fight it. If they do what they did last time [slashdot.org], then they'll come out as heroes. If the comments disappear in the dead of night and people notice, they'll get attacked.
  • Ah, how timely (Score:5, Insightful)

    by metlin (258108) <narayan&fas,harvard,edu> on Tuesday May 01 2007, @11:32PM (#18951059) Homepage Journal
    The fortune cookie at the bottom of the page reads -

    "Anyone attempting to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin." -- John Von Neumann

    Indeed.
  • by craznar (710808) on Tuesday May 01 2007, @11:33PM (#18951071) Homepage
    The harder you sqeeze, the more comes out.

    MPAA Lesson of the day.

    00110000001110010100011000111001001100010011000100 11000000110010001110010100010000110111001101000100 01010011001100110101010000100100010000111000001101 00001100010011010100110110010000110011010100110110 00110011001101010011011000111000001110000100001100 11000000100000
    • by airencracken (993443) on Tuesday May 01 2007, @11:38PM (#18951143) Homepage Journal
      Governor Tarkin: Princess Leia, before your execution, you will join me at a ceremony that will make this battle station operational. No star system will dare oppose the Emperor now. Princess Leia: The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.
  • Just so you know (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2007, @11:34PM (#18951087)
    09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
  • by cioxx (456323) on Tuesday May 01 2007, @11:35PM (#18951103) Homepage
    Since its inception Digg had a community-driven submission and voting process which did not supress free speech. I've seen endless stories and links to torrent sites like piratebay, demonoid, bitme, et al. and Digg management turned a blind eye on directing users to places of "copyright infringement"

    Today it's different for some reason. One of the managers posted a justification on the official blog [digg.com]:

    Whether you agree or disagree with the policies of the intellectual property holders and consortiums, in order for Digg to survive, it must abide by the law. Diggs Terms of Use, and the terms of use of most popular sites, are required by law to include policies against the infringement of intellectual property.


    Funny stuff.
  • by at_slashdot (674436) on Tuesday May 01 2007, @11:36PM (#18951115)
    Title says all ;-)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2007, @11:36PM (#18951119)
    Notwithstanding the fact that most articles are either innacurate or stupid, they will IP ban anyone who says anything bad about their site. Digg is one step up from "myspace"

    Also, you can get a perm ban from digg if you use the star of david as your "digg icon"... no kidding!
  • Honestly curious... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ParadoxDruid (602583) on Tuesday May 01 2007, @11:37PM (#18951127) Homepage

    Digg actually posted a reply to the community on their blog here [digg.com].

    What I'm honestly curious about is this: Is this numeric string code copyrighted? Where is the copyright filed, if so? Or is it a trade secret? Do trade secrets need to be filed or declared somehow? Is a trade secret intellectual property that must be removed when a theatening (maybe DMCA) notice is sent?

    I'm nowhere near understanding the complexities of the current intellectual property legal codes in the USA, let alone how they actually apply in this situation. All I see is hysteria.

  • Wikipedia (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2007, @11:37PM (#18951129)
    Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] has chosen to speedy-delete the article and all similarly titled articles based on the hexadecimal number. I found the deletion review [wikipedia.org] at this link. It seems like the only way left to get the article undeleted is to present good arguments there. I, for my part, have been blocked by another admin for posting my undelete comment. It looks like censorship is in season.
  • by nobodyman (90587) on Tuesday May 01 2007, @11:38PM (#18951147)
    And quick to fall. I cannot believe how swift and concerted this response is. I bet the digg admins are kinda wishing they had, oh I dunno.... EDITORS?
  • Digg meltdown (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ISurfTooMuch (1010305) on Tuesday May 01 2007, @11:39PM (#18951151)
    I've been watching this develop tonight, and Digg has gone into meltdown, not so much in the technical sense but in the sense that the user base is in open revolt, posting stories containing the code and commenting on events over...and...over...and over. As quickly as one article is removed, two more appear, and the tone of them is getting angrier and angrier by the hour.

    Just my opinion, but I don't see how Digg can come out of this with any credibility left. Was this ever about the DMCA? Perhaps in the beginning, but it's turned into a battle of wills between the Digg admins and its user base, and, even if the admins could somehow manage to magically obliterate every article on this subject, they're going to have a hard time explaining themselves to the user base, who are, by and large, mad as hell.

    And to those who are, indeed, mad as hell, consider what you will do after this incident is over. Kevin and the other admins may indeed fear a lawsuit if they don't take these articles down. Is that wrong, or is the law that allows this possibility the thing that is wrong? It's easy to sit there and paste line after line of numbers, but what would you do in the face of a lawsuit, even if it it's a ridiculous lawsuit supported by a law crafted just for this kind of abuse? You're taking action now, but will you get organized to push for real change tomorrow, the day after, and the day after that?
  • Beyond the hex (Score:5, Interesting)

    by loconet (415875) on Tuesday May 01 2007, @11:41PM (#18951191) Homepage
    As I said numerous times,

    People don't seem to understand that this goes beyond a silly little hex key. The key has been out for months. A new one will come and it will also be broken. This is not about that. This is about consumers finally standing up against the bullshit being fed to them by media giants. They crossed the line today when they forced digg to censor user generated content, not only articles but also comments and somewhat related content.

    As a consumer i am sick and tired of getting fabricated excuses as to why i can't play what I've bought wherever the hell i want. NO, i don't care if you keep making up the story that DRM is to protect yourself from piracy. I don't buy it. DRM will be broken no matter what. DRM is there to ensure your revenue stream by controlling where I can play the content. Now you go and censor my news source giving a bullshit excuse that a randomly generated hex number is some how your IP? You install rootkits in my computer, You stop me from using my content I bought the way I want? pretend to own _MY_ hardware? Enough of that bullshit.

    This is a revolt [facebook.com] against the greediness and blatant disrespect for the consumer that comes from the mpaa/riaa.

    SAVE THE NUMBERS, SAVE THE WORLD. REMEMBER The 1st of MAY.

  • Screw digg! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Cervantes (612861) on Tuesday May 01 2007, @11:44PM (#18951213) Journal
    Yeah, screw Digg! Those bastards, censoring shit, trying to hide things, giving in to "The Man" and the fear of legal battles. Fuck them! Slashdot rules!

    Hey, on a completely unrelated note, can anyone point me to that copy of book 3 of Scientology that was posted here a few years back?
    kthnx.
  • by Tackhead (54550) on Tuesday May 01 2007, @11:46PM (#18951251)
    Ahem. You know it's gonna be one of those weird filks when I post with "With Apologies To" in the Subject: line. Not sure how this got here. Probably the same twisted place that Natalie's Restaurant came from.

    At any rate, this is a parody of Allan Sherman's tirade against all-digit dialing, "The Let's All Call Up AT&T And Protest To The President March". By staggering coincidence, the original was inspired by someone posting it in on USENET in the .mp3.comedy group. Weren't me, although my parents turned me onto Mr. Sherman's parodies by giving me their vinyl original that they'd owned since before I was born.

    By even more coincidence, you can sing it as either: "Let's all post the Processing Key and fuck AACSLA" March, for rather obvious reasons, or the "Let's all post To D-I-G-G and say 'fark you' to Kevin Rose" March, (on account of every single story on digg.com's front page, as the original poster already linked to in TFA)

    By utterly unsurprising coincidence, and like every filk I write here, this parody is in the public domain, and you can sing it however you like, although in this case it'll probably be funnier if you keep the numbers the way they was written.

    AACS VERSION:

    It's the "Let's all post the processing key and fuck AACSLA!" march!
    Watch their lawyers worry and fidget,
    Cease and DE-sisting sixteen hex digits!

    So let's all post the processing key and fuck AACSLA, march!
    So protest! (so protest!)
    Do your best! (do your best!)
    Let us show them that we post in unity.
    If they won't (if they won't!),
    Change the rules (change the rules!),
    Let's buy our movies from another monopoly!

    Let's all post the processing key and fuck AACSLA march.
    Let us wake their landsharks from slumber,
    Get a pencil, I'll give you their number.

    It's Nine, Eff-nine, One-one, Two, Nine-D,
    SevenTY-four, Eee-three, Five-B... (dash!)
    Dee-eight, four-one, five-six, Cee-five,
    Sixty-three, fifty-six, eight-eight... (hyphen!)
    And now that you're on the right road,
    Don't forget to end with Cee-0h!

    Here's to freedom and fair use! 09F9! 1102s!
    Watch your HD-DVD! 9D74! E35B!
    Let's keep that 16-byte key alive!
    D841! 56C5! AACS is totally broke! 6356! 88C0! Hooray!

    To arnezami's mental fiber,
    We'll erect a triumphal arch!
    For the "let's all post the processing key and fuck AACSLA!" march.

    And since we're long (about 2 and a half months!) past the point that a parody of the AACS key wouldn't be complete without the
    DIGG VERSION [digg.com]:

    It's the "Let's all post To D-I-G-G and say 'fark you' to Kevin Rose" march!
    Watch him worry, watch as he fidgets,
    As his users post sixteen hex digits!
    So let's all post to D-I-G-G and say 'fuck you' to Kevin Rose march.
    So protest! (so protest!)
    Do your best! (do your best!)
    Let us show him that we digg in unity.
    If he won't (if he won't!),
    Change the rules (change the rules!),
    Let's take our pageviews to Slashdot's company!

    Let's all post to D-I-G-G and say 'fuck you' to Kevin Rose march.
    Let us wake him up in his slumber.
    Get a pencil, I'll give you his number.

    It's Nine, Eff-nine, One-one, Two, Nine-D,
    SevenTY-four, Eee-three, Five-B... (dash!)
    Dee-eight, four-one, five-six, Cee-five,
    Sixty-three, fifty-six, eight-eight... (hyphen!)
    And now that you're on the right road,
    Don't forget to end with Cee-0h!

    Here's to freedom and fair use! 09F9! 1102s!
    Watch your HD-DVD! 9D74! E35B!
    Let's keep that 16-byte key alive! D841! 56C5!
    AACS is totally broke! 6356! 88C0! Hooray!

    To arnezami's mental fiber,
    We'll erect a triumphal arch!
    For the let's all post to D-I-G-G and say 'fuck you' to Kevin Rose march.

    And don't make me deal with this "Your comment has too few characters per line (currently 35.7)", because it's a long pair of

    • by Old Wolf (56093) on Tuesday May 01 2007, @11:46PM (#18951249) Homepage
      This is the funniest thing I've seen since reading the "Slashdot Trolling Phenomena" entry in Wikipedia.

      That page has now been removed (it redirects to Slashdot). But I did learn something useful - prime-number user IDs are considered valuable by some. Funnily enough, I checked mine and it is prime. All I have to do now is sit back and wait for my plan to come to fruition.

      1. Discover your user ID is prime
      2. ???
      3. Profit!