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Fair Use In Scientific Blogging
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kdawson
on Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:28 AM
from the add-a-little-alcohol dept.
from the add-a-little-alcohol dept.
GrumpySimon writes "Recently, the well-read science blog Retrospectacle posted an article on a scientific paper that concluded that alcohol augments the antioxidant properties of fruit. The blog post reproduced a chart and a table from the original article and everything was fully attributed. When the publisher John Wiley & Sons found out, they threatened legal action unless the chart and table were removed. Understandably, this whole mess has stirred up quite a storm of protest. Many people see Retrospectacle's action as plainly falling under fair use. There is a call for a boycott of Wiley and Wiley's journals."
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Ridiculous (Score:5, Informative)
From Sec. 107 of the Copyright Act.
It doesn't get more simple than this. They've been hanging out with the RIAA too much...
Re:Ridiculous (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Ridiculous (Score:5, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Tuesday February 20 2007, @11:21AM)
Ah, I see that Wiley has followed Washington D.C.'s lead: before doing something objectionable, hire a junior staffer for blame absorption.
Unless, of course, anyone here actually believes that Wiley allows junior staffers to send out such demands without supervision. Uh huh.
On a more general note... these sorts of arguments about Fair Use are normal, healthy, and will occur regularly. Freedom and/or democracy means that there will be a great deal of public bickering. It's a Good Thing, because it means a) we aren't afraid to differ, b) we aren't afraid to talk about it, and c) we believe our countrymen are open to rational argument. A tolerance for this sort of tumult is a prerequisite to being a free society. Compare this to the fearful silence of a dictatorship.
IANAL, but is "Lisa"? (Score:4, Insightful)
That's odd... (Score:5, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Monday November 12, @09:37AM)
Come to think of it, industry researchers present slides with figures like that all the time, and it's not like there's a shortage of lawyers vetting them, and a lot deeper pockets for an angry journal to go after than some blogger has...
Agreed, and more so... (Score:5, Funny)
(http://www.ringdev.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday May 08 2007, @01:50PM)
-Rick
Re:Agreed, and more so... (Score:4, Insightful)
Nice (Score:2)
(http://www.apaddedcell.com/)
I like how this article is juxtaposed with the MPAA story 'MPAA Committed To Fair Use and DRM' below. Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't this legal action have been threatened under the auspices of the DMCA? A bill which was bought and paid-for by the MPAA?
Fair use, my arse.
When Darwin Meets Publishing (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://put-your-mone...r-mouth-is.com/blog/ | Last Journal: Monday January 29 2007, @02:44PM)
And it would seem that producing valid data in the form of a chart, publishing it and then going after someone for publicizing your findings is fool hearty at best, but sadly also very mean spirited and it works against the mission of the scientists in the long run.
I will not seek to help profit those who would still falsely believe in a captive audience, so therefore this publisher is coming off my reading list.
both sides (Score:4, Interesting)
They are known for extortion too! (Score:5, Informative)
loot at the actual link (Score:4, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Saturday April 21 2007, @06:17PM)
What do the charts represent? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:What do the charts represent? (Score:5, Informative)
Wiley can bite me (Score:2)
Trial (Score:1, Troll)
This is why we need Open Access. (Score:5, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Monday January 08 2007, @02:45PM)
Yet despite the fact that these allegations have little merit (ethical or even legal), they create a very real chilling effect that slows science and decreases the distribution of information. Add to that the fact that most of this published research is funded by tax-dollars through government grants, and it becomes positively infuriating that the very scientists who do all the work are not allowed to freely disseminate the results of that work to the people, who pay for it.
This is why we all need to support the push towards Open Access [wikipedia.org] in scientific publishing. If you are a librarian, student, postdoc, academic or industrial scientist, you should be putting pressure on journals to open their content to the people who do the work and foot the bill. For instance, consider publishing in an open access journal (see list here [doaj.org]), or at least sign the petitions (US [publicacce...search.org] or Europe [ec-petition.eu]). Also see a discussion here [earlham.edu] which lists a bunch of things (small and large) that you can do to promote open access [earlham.edu].
fair use (Score:2, Interesting)
Academic journals are generally a mess (Score:5, Informative)
(http://www.polisciapplied.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday October 08 2002, @04:46PM)
So yeah. Fair use in blogs is just the tip of the iceberg - the most egregious issue is that *we* are the ones who write, check, and prepare the documents, and then we have to pay again just to read them (and even if we don't pay directly you can be damned sure the libraries pass the costs down to us in the form of tuition and such).
Problem already resolved (Score:4, Informative)
Way to go blog-o-sphere, for making your voice heard. Though, interestingly, they didn't state that it fell under fair use, but rather they "gave her permission" to use the figure and data. So, maybe only a half-win.
Copying is just sharing, right? (Score:1)
(http://www.infinadyne.com/)
Just like someone recording music - once it is in digital form it can be shared freely because they owner gave up their rights. You have to give up your rights to put it in digital form, right?
And certainly copying part of something is fair use, even when it is the important part. After all, it is purely subjective what the important part might be so any part should be fair use, even when it is a big part. Right?
Sure. Keep smoking that stuff and believing.
Standard Procedure (Score:2, Insightful)
Re-using someone else's figures can be done (and frequently is), but you have to get permission from the publisher. Of course, whether a blog counts as re-publishing is another debate entirely... this usually applies to reproducing a figure in a different journal or a book. It's not just this publisher, though, for those who are calling for a boycott; they almost all have equivalent rules on figure and table re-publication.
Not so new (Score:2)
A brief read of the PLoS copyright [plos.org] compared to the present article's copyright Journal of the Science of Food and Agriculture copyright [wiley.com] really shows the difference between Open-access journals and others.
Not censorship (as tagged) (Score:2)
Mistakes (Score:1)
It's a good thing none of us ever do anything wrong or overreact or have a bad day and snap at someone.
Seriously... in this case, it seems like it was one person, doesn't it? The company apparently retracted it and resolved it. But sometimes it seems people are so anti-corporation by default that if one solitary fallible human being makes a mistake or gets mad and takes it out on someone, the entire company is at fault and either we should boycott them or burn their publishing house down or something.
Because, afterall, every mistake that happens by anyone in any corporation is premeditated from the CEO down.
Not saying there aren't bad corporations out there (after all, they are run by people!), but perhaps we should be fair at times and not immediately assume the corporation is trying to ruin the entire world of scientific research. Hrm.
This isn't fair use (Score:2, Interesting)
(http://www.sc2blog.com/)
I suppose I can (Score:2)
(http://en.wikipedia....vated_protein_kinase | Last Journal: Monday April 30 2007, @06:22AM)
business as usual (Score:1)
Lots of scientific journals need to be boycotted (Score:3)
(http://math-www.uni-paderborn.de/~axel/)
We paid for the damn research! (Score:2)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&clien
http://www.badscience.net/?p=360 [badscience.net]
Resolved? I don't think so. (Score:2)
(http://lists.clickers.org/linuxsig/index.html | Last Journal: Friday November 09, @11:00PM)
The matter between Wiley and the blogger was resolved [scienceblogs.com] by the publisher ignominiously blaming the "junior member of staff" they had tasked with their dirty work. They admitted no fault and continue to push against fair use by demanding permission up front, not from the author but from themselves. The matter between Wiley and the wider world, therefore, remains open.
I would not recommend anything rude, but the publisher should hear that we are not slaves and do not want to live in a permission society. They will listen because they need us more than we need them.
Based on the many /. science bloopers I've seen .. (Score:1)
To get blogged, publish in Open Access journals (Score:1)
(http://phylogenomics.blogspot.com/)
Re:scientific blogs? (Score:2)
http://pipeline.corante.com/ [corante.com]
Re:boycott Wiley textbooks (Score:1)
Re:scientific blogs? (Score:2)
Re:boycott Wiley textbooks (Score:2)