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Stopping "PattyMail" Email Bugs
Posted by
kdawson
on Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:35 AM
from the quit-bugging-me dept.
from the quit-bugging-me dept.
An anonymous reader writes, "In the U.S. Congressional Inquiry into the HP spy scandal, it was revealed that HP used Web bugs to track the source of leaks. HP's Fred Adler considers them a useful investigative tool which HP will keep using. Since dubbed PattyMail after HP Chairwoman Patricia Dunn, Web bugs have been around for a while. But it turns out the vulnerability they represent is far worse than first thought. Microsoft Outlook won't have a patch until 2007. The company at the center of the scandal claims they've done nothing wrong. But could repressive governments use them to track down critics? Can anything be done to stop Web bugs?"
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Get rid of pics in emails (Score:4, Insightful)
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So why not just use a bigger graphic? Actually Outlook seems to block all graphics by default....so I don't see the problem. Though maybe it doesn't for intern
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Or, if they are like any large business (or university, as is my case), it may be pre-con
use Pine (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Get rid of pics in emails (Score:4, Informative)
The issue discussed in TFA does not involve image bugs but iframe bugs.
Now, I don't know, but they would potentially still be triggered if you were using a "convert to plain text" filter???
Re:Get rid of pics in emails (Score:4, Insightful)
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When readnotify was mentioned during the hearings, I signed on for a trial account. In the signup page, when it asked where I heard about them, I answered that I heard about them in the Congressional Hearings on Pretext
Huh? (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think so. Please explain how your proposal would prevent the sender from detecting the user reading the mail in the following image tag, where the final part of the URL path is a uniquifier:
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It depends what the bug-sender is trying to do. If he wants to see that a
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Even one hit from a cache with an IP address not belonging to HP would indicat
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Not quite true. If your ISP and Bob's ISP and Alice's ISP are all
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Does word still allow automatic macro execution? That's absolutely crazy. Have people forgotten about the nasty virus-via-word-macro years?
4) Do not use HTML email. HTML makes thin
Yes. (Score:5, Insightful)
Um, how about not reading email in HTML? Even LookOut!, er, Outlook you can set to convert mail to plain text.
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Pfft, you kids and your bloatware. (Score:3, Funny)
That ought to be good enough for anybody.
Re:Pfft, you kids and your bloatware. (Score:4, Funny)
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Many email clients offer the chance to view only the plaintext representation, but if you forward the email to other parties, the html block continues to propagate. That means web bugs will still track most of the journey, as long as a number of people d
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Usual FUD (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Usual FUD (Score:4, Insightful)
"Can anything be done to stop Web bugs?" (Score:5, Funny)
Moving forward. (Score:5, Funny)
I've even heard that someone is working on a revolutionary OS that runs entirely in text mode, and uses command-line control, and is completely impervious to web bugs, Windows trojans, and other such infestations.
Re:Moving forward. (Score:4, Funny)
Alternatively you can unplug the three pronged virus enabler device that runs from every computer to the electrical socket.
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That's a Lot of Fallout (Score:2)
You know you've done something wrong when your name
Lesson for leakers (Score:2)
Print the email, and store it in a safe place.
Transcribe the information to another paper media, and pass that along as anonymously as possible - the
So, is it spyware? (Score:5, Interesting)
So, is this spyware, or not? I would say yes. The website is spyware, as it is tracking where it's user comes from....but then isn't all of the internet spyware?
The ZDnet article asks it best......"Phoning home? Deception? It must be spyware. Right? At least if you're a politician that's not well steeped in technology, it must be. Or is that the case? Maybe it is spyware after all. And maybe all HTML-based e-mail should visibly disclose that the page contains "tracking" elements with links back to more information on what those elements do and what the privacy policy of the sender is. Does PattyMail qualify as spyware and should the senders of HTML-based e-mail disclose their use of trackable graphical elements in the e-mail itself? Feel free to answer below."
Why would the sender have to do a thing? (Score:2)
Why would the sender have to identify email as su
Solution is NOT regulation. (Score:4, Insightful)
The solution here isn't regulation. It's just for people to decide whether a feature (in this case, HTML mail) is really worth the risk.
Alterately, we could 'neuter' HTML mail so that only the most basic formatting commands worked; use it purely as a style markup language, with no iframes, images, or externally linked text. That seems like it would solve the problem while preserving the reason 90% of idiot users want HTML: so they can use bold/italic/flashing-red-text or whatever.
Plain Text Only (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Plain Text Only (Score:4, Funny)
Don't read your email in HTML format. Problem solved.
Paul Tomblin said it best. (Score:5, Funny)
"The PROPER way to handle HTML postings is to cancel the article, then hire a hitman to kill the poster, his wife and kids, and fuck his dog and smash his computer into little bits. Anything more is just extremism."
- Paul Tomblin was talking about USENET when he said this, but he was right.
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I can name the solution in four words (Score:2)
United States Postal Service
How about an anonymizer for mail-induced browsing? (Score:2)
Mutt ! (Score:2, Informative)
Finally! (Score:2, Funny)
Block in the firewall? (Score:4, Funny)
I can think of three ways... (Score:2, Informative)
HTML mail doesn't need network access (Score:2)
Allowing the content of an e-mail message to establish arbitrary network connec
With Outlook, just use a software firewall (Score:4, Insightful)
Zonealalarm's pretty basic - it* only has concepts of "local" and "Internet" zones; simply ensure that the Exchange server that it wants to connect to is in the "local" zone and that Outlook can't access the "Internet" zone.
*the version I'm using, anyway.
Can anything be done to stop Web bugs? (Score:5, Funny)
Can anything be done to stop Web bugs?
Funny you should ascii...
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Sendmail/MailScanner/Pmail (Score:4, Informative)
www.mailscanner.info
www.pmail.com
Problem solved, oh, maybe five years ago. It amazes me that anyone just figured this was a problem NOW.
I've received hundreds, if not thousands, of emails with a {disarmed} header modification inserted by MailScanner... it's quite interesting to learn who is routinely inserting tracking bugs in their mailings.
I suppose you could also use transparent caching a'la squid to bumfuzzle some of the trackers and speed up browsing for your end users at the same time. But it seems like nowadays the bugs usually contain individualized tracking codes that would make it through the cache anyway.
You just have to strip out external references and tell the end users "that guy who sent you this is using a broken mailer". That's the strategy the HTML addicts used to create this problem, after all - they told the clueless that HTML was normal and that anybody who couldn't read it was using broken or obsolete software. I use the same line (which happens to be true) if somebody complains that they can't read company XYZ's mailings because the image links have been stripped out; "oh, company XYZ is using a broken obsolete mailer that puts external links into the text; until they learn to use the Internet you'd better find a new company to deal with or stick to phone calls".
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