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Library Chief Criticized for Requiring Subpoena
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CowboyNeal
on Thu Jun 22, 2006 07:29 PM
from the by-the-book dept.
from the by-the-book dept.
sudnshok writes "Hasbrouck Heights (NJ) Library Director Michele Reutty is under fire for refusing to give police library circulation records without a subpoena. Her lawyer explained, 'Reutty did the right thing... At no time did Michele Reutty say to any police officer or anybody else that she would not give the information if it was properly requested.' However, borough labor lawyer Ellen Horn, who also represented the library trustees, said Reutty was 'more interested in protecting' her library than helping the police. 'It was an absolute misjudgment of the seriousness of the matter,' Horn said."
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Protecting privacy (Score:5, Insightful)
sad day
Oh the Pain (Score:5, Insightful)
When the police are breaking the laws (or sneaking around them) who do we ask to protect us?
Re:Oh the Pain (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Oh the Pain (Score:5, Insightful)
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Propaganda in the UK (Score:5, Interesting)
In this drama, the police use illegal means to trap potential criminals.
None of the police are ever criticised or punished in any meaningful way for breaking the rules. The drama shows the rights of innocent people being routinely and egreiously trampled upon.
I see it as the BBC portraying what some people in government would like. No restraint on the police, no rules of evidence, no need, in fact for actual evidence -- just lock up (or better still, shoot) the people you think are the "bad guys". How many people will watch the drama and later think it is OK for the police to take such actions becasue "they have seen it on TV"?
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Re:Oh the Pain (Score:5, Interesting)
The phrase "Radical Militant Librarian" was used by the FBI to describe exactly this situation where somebody actually insisted on following the law.
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Key quote from TFA (Score:5, Insightful)
That's actually the best argument she can make. Any case prosecutors will have against this man will be much stronger because the library complied with the applicable law(s) when responding to a police request. What if that evidence had been thrown out because it was illegally, or at least questionably, obtained?
Grandma was right (Score:5, Insightful)
Journalism isn't an exact science (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Journalism isn't an exact science (Score:5, Informative)
Any person who wants to raise a concern or stand up for what they believe in is a "troublemaker", and will be dealt with accordingly. It doesn't matter what it is, the fact remains that they oppose someone in power, and will be harassed unless there is massive public outcry (or lawsuits that prevent further harassment).
Also, this isn't limited to police. Any organization, church or business will have a certain code that, when broken, results in labeling the perpetrator a "heretic" or somesuch.
Also also, I'm not being Orwellian here. This is the way things have always been.
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Duh? (Score:5, Insightful)
You don't say? That's precisely why that rule exists in the first place! Fucking morons.
huh? (Score:5, Insightful)
Borough labor lawyer Ellen Horn, who also represented the library trustees, said Reutty was "more interested in protecting" her library than helping the police.
"It was an absolute misjudgment of the seriousness of the matter," Horn said at Tuesday's meeting.
What utter bullshit. She doesn't work for the police, and it is her job and her legal mandate to protect the privacy of people who check out books from her library.
These "borough officials" are nothing but a bunch of grandstanding politician assholes trying to make their careers by harassing a librarian who was doing her job the way it should be done. They should all be voted out of office.
Send your thanks to... (Score:5, Informative)
I already have.
(Does anyone else just love that some cases are too important for proper legal procedure? They should have gotten warrants in the first place...)
I'm Sick of Appeals to Fear (Score:5, Interesting)
It's my observation that these people will ALWAYS appeal to our base fear when they encounter barriers to getting the data they want, knowing that no one wants to aid and abet "Sexual Predators" or "Terrorists". That's why the due process laws, calling for subpoenas are in place here in the US (but for how long?) I can only hope that we can come to our senses and end this gross abuse of power. . . . Has anyone else had similar experiences? How come we never really hear much about it?
Re:I'm Sick of Appeals to Fear (Score:5, Insightful)
Um, are you shitting me? Like, are you really serious?
We hear about this ALL THE FUCKING TIME, especially on the internet (e.g., blogs).
Constantly.
More than we ever have before, and more every day. And it's not because there are "more abuses"; there's more people hunting for and collecting evidence about said abuses. Some of these people do it out of genuine concern. Most of these people do it because their political leanings are crystal clear.
And you know what? There aren't really any more or less "abuses" than there ever have been; there are just much easier ways to spread the word. That's what makes people believe we're heading down the primrose path to a fascist state and all this other crap.
Technology cuts both ways: it makes it easier for the government to abuse rights and freedoms, and it makes it easier for everyone else to find out and call them on it.
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Protecting the library (Score:5, Insightful)
I think I'd actually be proud if someone said something like that about me.
It's ironic... (Score:5, Insightful)
Second - the Library director did the right thing. Why? Because if the information she gave was obtained without "due process", the pedophile could get free because of this. Now who would be the one to blame? The Library. Wonderful.
I'd pretty much tell the stupid police to just do their job and STFU.
My hero (Score:5, Insightful)
Bravo, Ms. Reutty!
This is to be expected (Score:5, Insightful)
That exact scenario has happened before, where these small-town cops get worked up, don't follow the rules, and it ends up hurting what could have been a simple, open-shut case if they had just had patience. I really wish I could post a link to the details (I've spent a lot of time in Jersey Boroughs) but usually there is little to no public record, things get lost, or safety nets are put in place.
Its really really sad actually.
Re:She Did The Wrong Thing (Score:5, Insightful)
What if the dangerous paedophile actually managed, through hard work and dedication, to get a job on the police force? Sure, the overwhelming majority of police are good, but it's definitely possible for ONE bad cop to get through. Should he be able to get your child's records without anyone even looking over his work to determine if it's 'warranted'?
Food for thought.
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Re:She Did The Wrong Thing (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:She Did The Wrong Thing (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:She Did The Wrong Thing (Score:5, Funny)
Apparently you've never been pulled over by a cop in Georgia.
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Re:Why do you hate America? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why should there be an exception for "fighting terror?"
It is the mindset though. Look for more and more things to fall under the concept of 'fighting terror' as a way to get around due process and the Bill of Rights. I remember hearing some guy on NPR say some members of LA gangs were 'street terrorists'.
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Re:The news just ate it up. (Score:5, Insightful)
On top of that journalists are in a position where they can end up in posession of information that the government wants to know, and unlike librarians, they don't have the luxury of giving that info up if they want to continue in their careers. Strong and respected privacy laws are very much in their self interest.
And finally, journalists tend to be literate library affectionados, and, as such, are well disposed toward spunky, privacy-respecting librarians.
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