Pearl Jam Releases Video Under Creative Commons 240
minitrue writes "Pearl Jam released their first music video in quite a while under a Creative Commons license allowing anyone to "legally copy, distribute and share the clip" for noncommercial purposes. Creative Commons thinks this may be the first video produced by a major label ever to be CC-licensed. So although the file is only available as a free download via Google Video through May 24, fans can continue sharing it online themselves in perpetuity."
Kudos to Pearl Jam (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Kudos to Pearl Jam -- DRM free downloads (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Kudos to Pearl Jam -- DRM free downloads (Score:3, Informative)
think you meant DRM free, but good to know.
Re:Kudos to Pearl Jam -- DRM free downloads (Score:2)
Do they own the all the copyrights to their songs? Most bands don't. So if they are like most bands, it doesn't matter what they say, they don't have the legal authority to grant you the rights to copy their stuff. Once all rights are signed away in a recording contract, you could be just as pwned by the RIAA for copying, despite what the "artist" says.
Re:Kudos to Pearl Jam (Score:3, Informative)
But, I gotta say:
musically, this video sucks.
Re:Kudos to Pearl Jam (Score:2)
The video seems pretty lame to me. The Do the Evolution video they did with Todd McFarlane is the one I'd like to see put into CC.
Re:yeah, great idea! (Score:3, Informative)
Not Free (Score:2)
Basically, this means that anyone can redistribute their advertisement exactly as they framed it, but nothing else.
Re:yeah, great idea! (Score:2)
I'm sorry you've had such a bad day, dear -- why don't you go to bed and get some rest, you'll probably feel a whole lot better in the morning.
Re:yeah, great idea! (Score:3, Interesting)
Except music videos aren't advertisements; how does adding a cinematic dimension to the musical content reduce it to advertising?
Music videos may be used to advertise the album, but so are the songs on the album when they're played on the radio or broadcasted elsewhere--does that the album itself an "advertisement"? Touring also helps sell albums--does that mean concert goers are just being suckered into paying for "advertisements"?
And just because you can't make money off of the video or create derivativ
Re:yeah, great idea! (Score:2, Insightful)
People don't buy videos. They buy albums and singles. And don't get all pedantic on me about how some people do buy videos, its a teeny-tiny minority of sales, and would not be financially viable if the videos were not already made for some other reason, like say, advertising.
just because you can't make money off of the video or create derivative works from it doesn't mean it's
Re:yeah, great idea! (Score:2)
Stating that people do purchase music videos isn't pedantic, neither is stating that lots of people simply enjoy watching music videos and appreciate them for their intrinsic entertainment/artistic value. Whether video sales are the m
Re:yeah, great idea! (Score:2)
It's called the music business for a reason, and you've done a remarkably thorough job of proving that you don't know a thing about business.
Re:yeah, great idea! (Score:2)
Nice retort. But I think I know a little about the business aspect of the music industry, seeing as I work for a record label and have been working there for several years.
I know the marketing value of freely distributing content, but that doesn't make the content itself advertisements. As I said before, getting a music video played on MTV is no different than getting a song played on the radio. From a business perspective, it is advertising, but so is touring. That doesn't mean that the song or music vide
Re:yeah, great idea! (Score:2)
Big deal. He could be Liberace reincarnate for all the bearing it would have on the discussion. Neither the word "art" nor any of its synonyms appear in the OP, nor in lysergic.acid's response to the OP. It's only when his patently silly claim that music videos are not advertisements is shown up that he goes off on a interminable tangent about "art," completely ignoring the actual topic at hand - namel
Re:yeah, great idea! (Score:2)
"Pearl Jam has a new album coming out. How can we get people to care about this?"
"What is it, 1992? Who cares about Pearl Jam anymore, certainly not MTV and their under 14 demographic"
"We need to get at the old people who still give a toss about that whole dirty grunge business."
"I know, release the video under creative commons on the Internet."
"That's a great idea! The old nerds will all talk about it and watch it when they never would have before. We'll get so much free attent
Re:yeah, great idea! (Score:2)
The purpose of a music video is to make direct attention to other, money making, ventures. The album, the tour, the t-shirt. Music videos are made, at significant expense, to get attention paid to these ventures. Sounds a lot like an advertisement to me.. The 30 second spot promoting a soft drink has exactly the same purpose, to direct attention to the
Re:yeah, great idea! (Score:2)
It's not a question of semantics. It's simply poor reasoning. Playing a video on MTV may be used to promote an album, but that doesn't make the content itself an advertisement, just like playing a single off the album on the radio may be used to promote sales, but that doesn't change the artistic merit of that track.
Re:yeah, great idea! (Score:2)
Re:IT'S OFFICIAL (Score:5, Informative)
Considering Tool was at #1 that same week, I would say Pearl Jam is still quite relevant. Will they sell as many albums as quickly as they did with Ten or Vs.? Maybe not, but they have gone Platinum on every album they have released. IIRC.
This might sound stupid, but.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:This might sound stupid, but.... (Score:4, Interesting)
If the artists actually cared about getting their music out, they wouldn't mind people sharing videos or even the albums. The reason why the record labels care is because they're too shortsighted and greedy. Most record execs just can't stand the notion of people enjoying the content for free. It doesn't matter that this creates more buzz, more fans, more sales in the long run--it's the principles. It's just like people who complain about hand-outs being given to the less fortunate (I mean, are you really jealous of people who get hand-outs because they actually need them?). They're the kind of people who worry more about welfare going to a few freeloaders than taking comfort in the fact that it also helps millions of single mothers and dispossessed families keep food on the table.
It's irrational stinginess that serves no purpose, but is just ingrained in prevailing industry attitudes. So most labels don't put out music videos for free because they want everyone to buy the DVD if they actually want to watch the music video. They don't see that a music video played on millions of people's computers has the same marketing value as one played on millions of television sets on MTV or VH1. There's really nothing wrong with selling music videos on DVDs, but it is in the best interest of the musicians and the label to also provide the content for free.
It has nothing to do with fear of people extracting the audio layer from the music videos. That's just ridiculous. What Pearl Jam is doing is definitely appreciated by a lot of fans, and it isn't being done by most mainstream musicians so I don't get why people are accusing them of just pulling a "publicity stunt". Just because it's in their best interest doesn't mean it's a publicity stunt. This is actually good for the fans as well, and it might encourage others to follow suit.
Sentiments like yours only hinder the adoption of these rational approaches to content distribution. I work for an indie record label, and I'm always trying to convince my boss that it makes sense to allow people to share music and to be more genrous with the content. But it really undermines these efforts when people like you react so cynically whenever a label starts thinking more progressively than others.
Why can't you simply accept that Pearl Jam is trying to do something nice for the fans?--which in turn also benefits the artist, which has always been the case. It's not good enough that they're derogating from conventions in a way that benefits the fans, but they must hurt themselves in the process for it to not be labelled as simply a "publicity stunt"?
I think people like you are a bit too jaded and don't really understand or appreciate what the music sharing movement is about. Artists and record labels don't have an obligation to take losses just so you can enjoy the music they produce, however, there are practices that are mutually beneficial. Just because the artists/labels stand to benefit from the content they produce doesn't mean that they're evil or something. So stop ragging on the good guys in the industry who are actually embracing free content and music sharing.
Harvey Danger (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Harvey Danger (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Harvey Danger (Score:3, Insightful)
shouldn't the quotes be around "advertized"?
I don't get why people complain about IP and anti-piracy laws, but when artists actually start embracing the whole music-sharing rhetoric people get upset that it gets reported and accuse the artists of pulling a publicity stunt.
I mean, are we trying to convince artists that we don't want them to let people download/share music for free? What is the problem here? What does it take for people to stop complaining about the music industry?
Re:Harvey Danger (Score:2)
The greedy telcos are bitching about big companies using their pipes to feed large amounts of bandwidth to the users. What are they going to say once most of the data has been passed down to thei
Telcos are already ahead of that (Score:2)
It's not like they're gonna put a limiter on P2P traffic, or charge for it. They already do that.
Won't somebody think of the lost sales? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Won't somebody think of the lost sales? (Score:2)
The sad thing is that the RIAA did lose sales from my downloading of MP3s. I downloaded a few songs from CDs I thought I wanted and decided that the songs (and therefore, the albums) sucked. Frankly, I'm happy with the end of their "open your mouth and close your eyes" business model.
well now (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:well now (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:well now (Score:2)
Free Commercials? (Score:2)
Re:Free Commercials? (Score:2)
Re:Free Commercials? (Score:2)
Brilliant! (Score:5, Funny)
Great pre-sleep video (Score:4, Funny)
Thanks slashdot for giving me nightmares
Strange what offends us. (Score:2)
I find that no matter how grusome, synthesized imagery has absolutely no affect on me. However, if I watch someone pull their toenail out [ebaumsworld.com], I cringe and shudder. The moral of the story is: people need to work harder at distinguishing reality and fantasy.
Re:Strange what offends us. (Score:2)
He didn't say it offended him. The imagery struck something in his head and he (jokingly) suspects that it will give him nightmares. There's nothing stupid about this at all.
The video is full of rather nightmarish, dark imagery. Something do
Good old Pearl Jam eh? (Score:2)
Actual License? (Score:2)
by Attribution. You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor.
nc Noncommercial. You may not use this work for commercial purposes.
nd No Derivative Works. You may not alter, transform, or build upon this work.
* For any reuse or distribution, you must make clear to others the license terms of this work.
* Any of these condi
Re:Actual License? (Score:2)
Ahhh!! My ears!! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Ahhh!! My ears!! (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Ahhh!! My ears!! (Score:2, Insightful)
no MTV (Score:2)
Re:no MTV (Score:3, Informative)
I remember at least five: 1. Evenflow, 2. Alive, 3. Jeremy, 4. Animal, 5. Daughter. All 1992-1993 thereabouts, before MTV started becoming totally wussy. Damn I'm old. :(
Re:no MTV (Score:2)
I was suprised to see that this video isnt a plain (and good) old live one.
Re:no MTV (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:no MTV (Score:4, Informative)
That definitely would have made for quite a different video.
J
Re:no MTV (Score:2)
MTV plays music videos?
Re:no MTV (Score:2)
Re:no MTV (Score:2)
Ok, back to watching VH1-Classic...
This is great and all... (Score:4, Funny)
... but I don't think they took into account the fact that RMS doesn't like the Creative Commons [linuxp2p.com]. My guess is fans will avoid the video in droves for that reason alone.
Re:This is great and all... (Score:3, Informative)
Some Creative Commons licenses are free licenses; most permit at least noncommercial verbatim copying. But some, such as the Sampling Licenses and Developing Countries Licenses, don't even permit that, which makes them unacceptable to use for any kind of work. All these licenses have in common is a label, but people regularly mistake that common label for something substantial.
I no longer endorse Creative Commons. I cannot endorse Creative Commons
lumping them together (Score:4, Insightful)
Consider the analogous slashdot heading "Company Releases Program Under GPL" -- the GPL is a title that unlike CC has a specific meaning, if it's GPL you know what to expect whether you like that license or not. The problem with CC is really worse than the similarily vaguely defined label "open source" because some of the CC licenses are really quite restrictive.
I do understand what the people behind CC are trying to do, and I respect that. I just wish that they had put more effort into promoting the use of individual specific licenses instead of the CC 'brand'. GNU does this well, they have GPL, GFDL, LGPL as their own separate brand instead of just calling it a "GNU license" which doesn't convey the specificness those different concepts represent.
Re:lumping them together (Score:3, Insightful)
It may not be perfect, but it's a good move. (Score:3, Insightful)
only available until May 24th? (Score:2)
Re:only available until May 24th? (Score:2)
They sold their tickets by zip code (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:They sold their tickets by zip code (Score:2)
Mirror (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Mirror (Score:2)
Re:Mirror (Score:2)
Afraid Google cannot handle the load? (Score:3, Funny)
DRM (Score:3, Funny)
Hah. Some license. (Score:2)
You cannot derive the work, nor can you use it commercially. Bang go freedoms 0 1 and 2. The work is still copyrighted, like a photograph licensed online, our only freedom is to look at it.
'Redistribution' doesn't mean anything online. Redistribution of a mars bar or a patented camera would mean building the product yourself using the original design. With anything digital rather than physic
unwarranted hostility misses the point (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Hah. Some license. (Score:3, Insightful)
You raise some interesting points. As background, what sort of artistic works have you produced, and how have you licensed them? Have you ever undertook something as big and costly as a music video, and then released it with less restrictive terms? In particular, has it been something related to your livelihood?
It's easy for us, as consumers, to state that creators should give away their stuff for free and unrestricted; and when they don't, it's also easy for us to rationalize ignoring others' copyrigh
Good Old Pearl Jam, totally expected move, however (Score:2)
Easy d/l here (Score:2)
http://vp.video.google.com/videodownload?version=0 &secureurl=xAAAAG7ggqAHSiJjpW0D3w4aYTVhnhtRNWE0MyR Qp3IfM-QsTnyzS0dRlbfae86pQtrE1wOrbSl7BmSH_X_BAlb78 vC9fjLxPt2AHDTSokN1k7ib2kpFEu4S9Q_kC4CUEvc7fPWWaBw 0rETrmBu47bPdhRRTaHnU93AS8x73Z4eGsnfVldzC-kzpNmmvC vpocpMTYQpMa9q_-IcVurUwp78s8xThPXmu39sjQO1yUBd3R7n GxOnoREcG6JoX52IdoEb7otKqUM_OHQ_9Oc9quH2UOng&sigh= yF8ayjd7jARMlavDi4KhYp8y3MQ&begin=0&len=237269&doc id=6187666924357770983docid:6187666924357770983 [google.com]
free until (Score:2)
The license for this video is http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.5/ [creativecommons.org]
Free until? Is this DRMd? What good is creativecommons if there is DRM?
And how do I import this into video editing software? WTF is "GVI" format?
Did anyone else see a robot? (Score:2)
Re:Publicity stunt (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Publicity stunt (Score:2, Funny)
Foam light sabers are so 8 hours ago, everyone is using Macbooks [slashdot.org] now.
Re:Publicity stunt (Score:2)
Google? The band? The label?
Since Google probably paid for the "exclusive" I'd say Google.
Re:Publicity stunt (Score:2)
Band or label. And I guess the label. I don't think Google even has any idea this video's been hosted there.
Since Google probably paid for the "exclusive" I'd say Google.
You don't pay for something released under Creative Commons license. That's the whole friggin point. Dude, like I said, IT. MAKES. NO. SENSE.
Re:Publicity stunt (Score:2)
They are distributing it via Google, not themselves, there are thousands of videos on Google available for free forever.
Re:Publicity stunt (Score:5, Informative)
And forgive me, as I'm using a Mac, but I was able to open it in QuickTime, and I could easily edit it and export it to a different format.
Re:Publicity stunt (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Publicity stunt (Score:2)
Re:Publicity stunt (Score:2)
the formats that google video had and is supporting include gvp (google video player), mp4 (video ipod), and mp4 (sony psp). I'm not sure if the latter 2 mp4s are the same files, but I usually just get the video ipod mp4 and convert it to a format/codec that I prefer.
Re:Publicity stunt (Score:2)
Re:Publicity stunt (Score:2)
Use the "noscript" extension. I have javascript disabled for all sites, and make exceptions for very few. In fact, only Google and Netflix are in my list of allowed sites.
I also recomend "cookiebutton" and "refcontrol".
Re:Publicity stunt (Score:2)
Re:Publicity stunt (Score:3, Informative)
Shit, AC, after I've read this extremely informative and useful post of yours I got a clue and now I live a better, more meaningful life.
Re:Publicity stunt (Score:2)
Where the hell did you get "it's free until May 24th" from? It's licensed under the Creative Commons license. That means you can freely download/distribute it indefinitely. May 24th is just when the official download will no longer be available. The whole point of allowing fans to distribute it is to--duh--allow fans to distribute it.
And you can download it in a variety of formats. The flash version is just for the convenience of people who want to stream it from their browser. If you want it in AVI format
Re:Publicity stunt (Score:2)
There's no AVI, there's a QVP shortcut to the same crunched version you can play in the Google Video Player, and two low-res, low-bitrate MP4 versions for iPod and PSP.
Those downloads are free by the Google servers, there's no reason to limit them to May 24-th, when they can stay there fo
Re:Publicity stunt (Score:2)
We're just two nicks, and having "friends" or "enemies" is just a colored circle right there next to our nicks, it's safe to say I don't care.
Re:Bettermen (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Bettermen (Score:5, Insightful)
What is that supposed to mean?
They produced a music video, as musicians sometimes do.
They released it under a Creative Commons license, which is rare.
This allows people to do rare things with a mainstream artist's creative content, like download it/enjoy it/distribute it for free.
Most artists would have prohibited the above mentioned activities in their license.
Thus, what Pearl Jam has done is interesting news for most of us, and it would benefit fans if other artists followed Pearl Jam's lead.
So what is there for you to possibly complain about? That they haven't sold many CDs at your store? What does that have to do with anything?
Do you have a coherent point to make, or did you just want to post incoherent ramblings?
Re:Hmm (Score:3, Interesting)
1)The realize that they already have enough money and now are just trying to let people listen to some music they make.
2)The record companies gets the feeling that the band/artist/whatever is likely to do this in the future. That's when the career ends.
Oh, and another thing. Pearl Jam's career really isn't dead. They're currently on tour [pearljam.com]. It looks like they even have double bookings for some stadium sized venues. As in they sold out a stadium... twice. That's pretty good
Re:Hmm (Score:2)
Re:Hmm (Score:4, Informative)
True, I have seen very few bands embrace free disitribution licenses, but I doubt most artists are even aware that these licenses exist. What I have seen is bands explicity stated that they don't mind their work being shared freely.
The first example that comes to mind is Wilco [wired.com]. Given, they're not young, but they never had much success on the charts until recently. After they produced an album [pitchforkmedia.com] that was deemed too 'experimental', they were dropped from their label.
Instead of giving up, they put an mp3 stream of the whole album on their site and openly embraced file sharing. The album started to get a lot of buzz. Soon enough an independent label agreed to release the record, despite the fact that "hundreds of thousands" of people had already downloaded it (at least according to singer Jeff Tweedy in the Wired interview).
The album was critically acclaimed and became their greatest commercial success to date, reaching #13 [wikipedia.org] on the Billboard charts. Their next album sold even better, reaching the top ten [wikipedia.org].
Another example - Sufjan Stevens [mtv.com], who actually is a "young rising star", recently said in an interview [pitchforkmedia.com]
Not everyone giving away their music is over the hill - and some of them are still making a living making music.
Re:Hmm (Score:2)
Re:Did Trent Reznor direct that thing? (Score:2)
Re:This isn't going against the RIAA (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:This isn't going against the RIAA (Score:2, Informative)