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EA Settles Overtime Lawsuit

Posted by Zonk on Wed Apr 26, 2006 01:47 PM
from the dust-settles-for-ea-spouse dept.
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Heffenfeffer writes "Gamasutra reports that Electronic Arts is settling their class action suit with their programmers to the tune of $14.9 million. It also turns out that one of the named plaintiffs of said lawsuit was the spouse of the formerly anonymous blogger "ea_spouse" who wrote a scathing commentary on EA over a year ago which may have formed the basis of this suit."

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patio11 writes "EA Spouse, who sparked a revolution (or, at least, a wave of lawsuits and promises for improvement) in the game development industry with a blog post decrying labor practices at Electronics Arts, was outed as Erin Hoffman in a Mercury News article. She and then-fiance, now-husband Leander Hasty were plaintiffs in one of the lawsuits against EA and continue to develop games and be activists for better working conditions for game developers." From the article: "More than a year later, game developers have won settlements in three class-action lawsuits alleging EA created exhausting work schedules without paying overtime and successfully pressed employers to ease unrelenting workloads. And EA Spouse, whose true identity has been cloaked until now, is becoming a voice against America's culture of overwork."
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    • Re:Shocking... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Jaysyn (203771) <jaysyn+slashdot AT gmail DOT com> on Wednesday April 26 2006, @02:00PM (#15206750) Homepage Journal
      The real suprize is that EA lost, especially in this employee-hostile day & age...

      Jaysyn

      [ Parent ]

      • The thing is... (Score:3, Insightful)

        by JarinArenos (955039)
        The fact that they did indeed lose, despite the current business climate speaks volumes about just HOW BAD things were. Once things came out, it was simply impossible for the court to turn a blind eye to EA's reprehensible business practices.
      • The real suprize is that EA lost, especially in this employee-hostile day & age...

        I think that IBM, Microsoft, UPS and Wal-Mart might disagree with you. And those are just the multimillion dollar settlements.

        As somebody else pointed out, though, the r
      • Courts have never been especially friendly to companies who fail to pay workers money they are owed, no matter which political party is in charge.
      • They settled. I'm sure if this went to court they would have lost a lot more.
        • Agreed.

          $14.9 mil is a drop in the bucket for EA. Their insurance will likely take care of it in some fashion and it won't actually affect their profits for the year.

  • cat "got" my tongue. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by sirius sam (963847) on Wednesday April 26 2006, @01:59PM (#15206739)
    The games industry can pay low wages and make people slave because it's "cool" and people want to be in it. Sad really.
    • Who is at fault here, the company for paying low wages or the people for accepting them?

      • Re:cat "got" my tongue. (Score:5, Insightful)

        by s16le (963839) on Wednesday April 26 2006, @02:05PM (#15206781)
        It is easy to say that people should not accept a job, or that they can quit. However, if they have a family to support, or have a medical condition and need the money or insurance coverage, not having a job for a few weeks while they find a new one might not be an option.
        [ Parent ]

        • Re:cat "got" my tongue. (Score:4, Insightful)

          by Shihar (153932) on Wednesday April 26 2006, @02:26PM (#15206912)
          The issue is that video game programmers make substantially less then other programmers. The reason why this is so is because a lot of people want to specifically do video game programming instead of some other more lucrative type. In this case, their low wages really are their own fault.

          The key to happiness in this world is to find something that brings you some satisfaction and that pays enough to keep you happy. Some people are have very low needs and are happy with $20,000 and a job they find fully rewarding. Other people are happy making $100,000 on a job they would quit without even the curtsy of a two weeks notice they ever won the lottery.

          A few lucky people get the best of both worlds and work a high paying job that they love. I have met workaholic business owners that fill this exact category. One guy in particular that I know well over 80 hours a week owns a massive house with a dozen cars that he never uses because he is only home for more then a few days a month. He is probably going to die of a heart attack in the next 10 years, but he truly loves what he does and would probably do it for much less. I have also met people that dropped out of high school, got no education, and are working shit jobs that they hate for shit pay.

          Most people though, they really fall somewhere in-between. They balance self fulfillment in the working world with money. You don't go to school for a sociology major expecting to get out of college and run into a pile of money. People make their choices. This programs are no different. They have intentionally picked a field with poor pay. Using the education they already have they have the option of finding higher paid work. If making video games is what they really love to do though, then they need to find a balance. Is the shit pay worth the job? If it isn't, get the fuck out.
          [ Parent ]

          • Re:cat "got" my tongue. (Score:4, Insightful)

            by Sylver Dragon (445237) on Wednesday April 26 2006, @05:14PM (#15208250) Journal
            While it's true that minimum working standards are non-capitalistic, that does not make them de facto bad. Take a look back in history at the working conditions of the 1920's. Worker safety was a joke; if you were sick, too bad, work or don't get paid; if you get seriously injured you were probably out of a job and well on your way to being dead broke. Pure capitalism is not functional, in the end it will degenrate into a form of feudalism (technically oligarcy) with a huge seperation between the have's and the have-not's. This will, almost inevitably, lead to civil unrest. In fact, in the early part of the 20th century, this is exactly where it lead. Workers unionized, and there were a lot of violent clashes. In the end, it was realized that there needs to be a balancing factor in the worker-employer relationship.
            If you look at the relationship between a worker and his employer it is naturally coersive. The employer has a measure of power over worker. Yes, technically the worker can leave at anytime, but this involves some level of risk, so the worker will be inclined to stay with a known quantity, rather than taking the risk; this is just human nature. The goal of employement laws is to prevent the employer from abusing this power, in order to pervent a race to the bottom condition, much like the US had in the 1920's. Which would lead to civil unrest.
            [ Parent ]

          • Re:cat "got" my tongue. (Score:3, Insightful)

            by syousef (465911)
            Some people are have very low needs and are happy with $20,000 and a job they find fully rewarding.

            The flaw in that logic is that anyone can get sick without warning. The idea of being poor but happy is a charming but dangerous little fantasy. At the end
          • Making choices is all very well, but those choices need to be made on information. The EA employees in question were at least decieved, and perhaps even intentionaly lied to. The conditions they worked under were extreme even for the games industry, and th
      • mix of the two really. With the job market full of bursted bubblers it's hard for a new grad to get their foot in the door with a lot of companies. EA has a good policy for accepting programmers without 5+ years of experiance so they end up with a large
        • >> EA has a good policy for accepting programmers without 5+ years of
          >>experiance so they end up with a large number of fresh grads working
          >>for lower wages because they are still wet behind the ears.

          while this is nice for the youngsters
          • note, I'm not railing on inexperienced programmers. They have their own set of problems and benefits I'm very aware of. the core problem (I'm guessing) is that of staffing and scheduling, which often sits squarly on mgmt...

            or maybe I don't know what I'm
      • "Who is at fault here, the company for paying low wages or the people for accepting them?"
        Both!

      • Re:cat "got" my tongue. (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        Who is at fault, the rapist or the girl who didn't take a gun when she went shopping?
        Who is at fault, the dictator or the people who neither flee the country nor attempt a futile revolution?

        Newsflash -- the powerful always oppress the weak, and sometimes t
        • Get real. Both of those situations involve force or its threat. When your employer screws you, it's hardly the same thing. I'm not saying there shouldn't be labor laws and legal protections, but don't equate long work hours with rape or the oppression of i
    • "The games industry can pay low wages"...

      True.

      "and make people slave because it's "cool" and people want to be in it. Sad really."

      False.

      Because game programming has non-monetary benefits, the employers can indeed pay lower an
    • yeah, it's sad that they'll think working for a game company is cooler than working for whatever else industy. I am in the porn industry - so what? a job is a job. same shit everywhere. Roumen. P.S. the only sad thing I see is working for Microsoft and/or
  • All that overtime and their games still suck? [slashdot.org]

    • Re:All that overtime ... (Score:4, Insightful)

      by *no comment* (239368) on Wednesday April 26 2006, @02:17PM (#15206854) Homepage Journal
      Maybe all that OT is the reason they suck?
      [ Parent ]

      • Re:All that overtime ... (Score:3, Interesting)

        by skintigh2 (456496)
        The last EA game I bought (Command and Conquere Generals) had so many bugs it was basically unplayable out of the box. 12 months later there were still so many bugs that every other game ended literally in a few seconds at the hands of a cheater. 3+ year
    • Game creation is, the name implies it, a creative process. You start toying with ideas, you tinker with implementations, you twist and tweak one thing or another.

      Now, when your creativity, imagination and illusion are shattered under hours of overtime, you
      • I know a guy in this industry. He's a supervisor of programmers. He travels quite a bit. The programmers are in Russia.

  • makes you wonder... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Burlap (615181)
    just how much of that money each employee will actually see...
    • My thoughts exactly. The term "class action" in a lawsuit seems to guarantee that the actual "victims," for lack of a better term, see a few dollars from the settlement while the lawyers get enough to retire.
      • Maybe the victims can pool their EA gift certificates from the settlement to boost the sales of their own titles so their managers can get a nice bonus. Then, in appreciation, they'll get decent quality t-shirts and coffee mugs! Morale will soar ...
    • Since I was involved in and received a settlement from a class action suit against CSC for a similar overtime issue, I'll give you some of the math they gave us and what end result I received.

      Employment dates - take the number of working days the employee

  • Game coder was my dream job (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Opportunist (166417) on Wednesday April 26 2006, @02:25PM (#15206908)
    At least until I've seen what's behind the curtain. Yes, I do have the math skills, the DX experience and the necessary understanding to create a good engine.

    But I certainly don't want to see my creativity shattered under unbearable timetables. I don't mind doing overtime. Currently, an average work day is like 10-12 hours. 'cause it's fun.

    Being FORCED to work 14 hours and more is by no means any kind of motivation. Actually, I'd probably start sabotaging my own work.

  • Did they lose, or settle? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Rob T Firefly (844560) on Wednesday April 26 2006, @03:21PM (#15207350) Homepage Journal
    It's not clear from TFA.. did EA actually lose a case (as in being ruled against in court of law,) or is this an out-of-court settlement?
  • Because he's got a wife who is so supportive and caring and willing to stick with him through tough times and fight the good fight with him. Why, what did you think I was going to say? Awwwwww, nooooo, come on... get your mind out of the gutter. You sho
  • So did EA change how they operate? Or did they shell out the $ as a "cost of doing business" and are continuing to overwork the poor guys? Are there any EA headcounts here that can vouch for them (either in the negative or positive)?

    and, on a side note,
  • I am glad to see programmers actually standing up on their hind feet and suing. We have been treated like crap for too long and yet we do nothing about it. Maybe someday we will get up the nerve to strike. Or, even better, form our own companies and refuse
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