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Search Engine Privacy Explained

Posted by CowboyNeal on Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:15 AM
from the watching-the-watchmen dept.
Kesch writes "Zdnet has a posted a FAQ describing the storage of personal information done by the search engines of AOL, MSN, Yahoo, and, of course, Google. They describe what information is stored, how it is stored, what laws protect it (none), how you can attempt to protect your privacy, and what Congress is doing with regards to the issue."
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  • Speak for yourself (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 04 2006, @11:23AM (#14641866)

    They describe what information is stored, how it is stored, what laws protect it (none)

    As a company operating in the UK, and as I am a citizen of the UK, m privacy is protected by the Data Protection Act [opsi.gov.uk]. I have the right to demand access to my data, and they are legally obliged to give it to me. If I find it to be incorrect, they are obliged to correct it. They can only use this data in the manner in which they are registered to use it with the Data Protection Registrar, and they can only share it with others under strict rules.

    As I understand it, the rest of the EU have similar laws.

  • Not Surprising (Score:4, Funny)

    by valisk (622262) * on Saturday February 04 2006, @11:25AM (#14641873)
    (http://www.towardsafreeworld.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday June 26 2003, @03:38AM)
    None of this is exactly surprising as it should have occured to anyone who cared to think about the issue.

    But it does leave a legitimate question.
    Will those bastards at Google tell my wife about my chronic pr0n addiction?

  • Great........ (Score:2)

    by technoextreme (885694) on Saturday February 04 2006, @11:25AM (#14641874)
    The only law on the books relating to electranic privacy is as old as I am. Im not very happy knowing this.
  • opt out... (Score:5, Informative)

    by mytrip (940886) on Saturday February 04 2006, @11:27AM (#14641885)
    (http://www.mytrip.com/ | Last Journal: Saturday March 04 2006, @03:31AM)
    Google lets you remove your phone number from their database so other people can't look you up. They ought to let you remove your search history from their databases as well. I'm going to suggest this in their support forums.
    • Re:opt out... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by MoonBuggy (611105) on Saturday February 04 2006, @11:48AM (#14641973)
      (http://www.spinningatom.com/)
      And if they won't remove it, we should be able to make it useless. Just a little program that runs constantly and searches for random words (both innocuous and suspicious) at random time intervals (probably less than every minute). It would use little bandwidth and would result in your 'search dossier' being inconveniently large and legitimately deniable.
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      • Re:opt out... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Saturday February 04 2006, @12:24PM
      • Re:opt out... by TubeSteak (Score:2) Saturday February 04 2006, @01:04PM
      • Re:opt out... by jacksonj04 (Score:2) Saturday February 04 2006, @01:22PM
        • Re:opt out... by symbolic (Score:2) Saturday February 04 2006, @01:40PM
          • Re:opt out... by deathy_epl+ccs (Score:1) Saturday February 04 2006, @02:14PM
          • Re:opt out... by Original Replica (Score:1) Saturday February 04 2006, @03:15PM
            • Re:opt out... by gd2shoe (Score:1) Sunday February 05 2006, @12:52PM
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      • Re:opt out... by infolation (Score:1) Saturday February 04 2006, @08:20PM
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    • Re:opt out... (Score:5, Informative)

      by The Cisco Kid (31490) * on Saturday February 04 2006, @12:04PM (#14642052)
      They do. Just log in to your google account and click 'Search History' (at the top), then 'Remove items' (on the left) - As well as the ability to remove individual searches or clicked results, there is also a "Clear entire Search History" option.
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    • Actually, it seems to be opt-in by wsanders (Score:2) Saturday February 04 2006, @03:42PM
  • Anyone entering dodge search terms (Score:2, Informative)

    by Ph33r th3 g(O)at (592622) on Saturday February 04 2006, @11:33AM (#14641913)
    and not taking the easily available countermeasures (e.g. TOR, JAP) is playing with fire. But this isn't necessarily bad news for Google--if they can charge a "reasonable fee," they could make complying with subpoenas from prosecutors on fishing expeditions, the entertainment cartel, and divorce attorneys into a profit center!
  • Ah, yes, the federal government (Score:4, Informative)

    by typical (886006) on Saturday February 04 2006, @11:37AM (#14641930)
    (Last Journal: Thursday February 23 2006, @02:47AM)
    ...and what Congress is doing with regards to the issue.

    That would be *other* than seizing our search data to try to prove that porn should be banned on the Internet, I assume.
  • Nothing new (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 04 2006, @11:41AM (#14641946)
    They had this back in 1984: Memory holes.

    If you recall, all information placed in memory holes was supposedly destroyed, but it turned out that the government actually retained every item, and they came in handy for interrogation sessions.

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  • The GoogleWatch Guy (Score:5, Insightful)

    by paulthomas (685756) on Saturday February 04 2006, @11:42AM (#14641951)
    (Last Journal: Tuesday October 30, @01:08PM)
    Okay, so we all thought to some degree that the guy behind GoogleWatch [google-watch.org] was a nut. I suppose right now is when he can say: I TOLD YOU SO regarding the ability to compile search histories thanks to the never-expiring cookie.

    Best,
    Paul
  • Congress: (Score:1, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 04 2006, @11:49AM (#14641978)
    Please feel free to stop doing stuff about stuff.

    Thank you.
  • can you say irony? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by MellowTigger (633958) on Saturday February 04 2006, @11:52AM (#14641997)
    (http://home.earthlink.net/~mellowtigger)
    ZDnet uses url redirection in the links in its story. You know... the story that mentions url redirection as an unsafe practice.
  • Scope and Semantics (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Quirk (36086) on Saturday February 04 2006, @11:53AM (#14642000)
    (http://slashdot.org/~Quirk/journal/ | Last Journal: Monday October 03 2005, @04:07PM)
    Q: Let's say the Bush administration wanted to obtain a list of the names or Internet addresses of anyone who typed "how to grow marijuana" or "how to cheat on income taxes" into Google. Could that be done? Probably. If the Electronic Communications Privacy Act does not apply, all that's required is a subpoena from a prosecutor, and no prior approval from a judge is necessary. One Harvard law professor calls the subpoena power "akin to a blank check."

    "The threshold rule is relevance," says Paul Ohm, the University of Colorado law professor. "Relevance has been quite broadly construed. As long as you can show that something's relevant to a case or criminal investigation, I think the litigant would have a pretty good argument."

    The suggestion that relevance has been broadly construed is disturbing. The erosion of civil liberties needn't necessarily follow from the enactment of bad laws, but can, just as easily, follow from too broad an interpretation of existing laws and practices.

    If the judiciary restrict the interpretation of terms like relevance to as narrow a meaning as possible there is less room for abuse, but in the present environment it's likely judges, not only in America, but in the west generally, will allow broad definitions of such terms to the detriment of civil liberties.

  • But wait! There's more! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 04 2006, @12:00PM (#14642029)
    There's still no mention of Macromedia Flash. Flash applets are very popular on most pages nowadays. They are used for ads, interactive demos, forms and more. But, people don;t seem to realize that they are also highly effective for storing information that can and is used for tracking purposes on your computer.

    Have a look at
    ~/macromedia/Macromedia/Flash\ Player/macromedia.com/support/flashplayer/sys

    or on Windows

    C:\Documents and Settings\%UserName%\Application Data\Macromedia\Flash Player\macromedia.com\support\flashplayer\sys

    Did you know that all of that was there? Do you know what's stored in all those files? Did you know that those files are accessible by any flash applet that runs on your system and that the flash applet can and does report back to its creator?

    Then of course there are the problems due to Java script. Google has one for their analytics service that's all over the web tracking everyone. It's called Urchin and it's even in this page. Just look at the source for this page and search for "urchin.js".

    People don't realize that they are totally OWNED!
  • Because as long as the Bush Administration can claim that we are at war, the government is permitted various additional authorities that suspend numerous privacy and citizen protection laws. The current laws and pending laws (IMHO) are only there to make this (1) a permanent reality and (2) to (through the created legality) minimize the number of people who challenge the government's "right" to suspend the various laws that would normally protect US citizens by not having to openly invoke the use of the government's extended wartime powers.
  • Take note (Score:2)

    by GoofyBoy (44399) on Saturday February 04 2006, @12:10PM (#14642074)
    (Last Journal: Monday October 11 2004, @09:43PM)
    From the last page of the article (which I find the most useful part of the whole article):

    How long do companies keep records of my search terms?
    Microsoft, Google and Yahoo all said they keep data as long as it's necessary, which could mean forever. Microsoft did add that the company is "looking at ways" to provide users with the option to delete their search histories, and Yahoo made a similar statement.

    AOL, on the other hand, says it deletes personally identifiable data after 30 days.


    And they identify each unique user by the IP Address (with date/time) and/or a ID cookie.

    Be forewarded.
    • Re:Take note by Teun (Score:2) Saturday February 04 2006, @12:19PM
      • Re:Take note by rbarreira (Score:2) Saturday February 04 2006, @12:55PM
    • Re:Take note by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Saturday February 04 2006, @02:46PM
  • Oops (Score:3, Funny)

    by kalbzayn (927509) on Saturday February 04 2006, @12:23PM (#14642125)
    (http://www.nerdzapper.com/)
    I was going to RTFA but then realized that zdnet is probably working in association with the government to gather information about people that would be interested in this article. And I'm not going to fall for it.
    • Re:Oops by TubeSteak (Score:2) Saturday February 04 2006, @12:40PM
      • Re:Oops by kalbzayn (Score:1) Saturday February 04 2006, @01:44PM
  • by TubeSteak (669689) on Saturday February 04 2006, @12:50PM (#14642284)
    (Last Journal: Saturday February 25 2006, @11:02PM)
    It's interesting to note that they don't mention Internet Explorer in this section of TFA.

    The Index.dat in your "Temporary Internet Files" and in your "Cookies" folders makes any attempts at privacy meaningless.

    I made a simple batch file that loads on startup & deletes the Index.dat files. Works like a charm & I never have to think again about someone sniffing through my supposedly clean computer and pulling up my browsing history.

    I also tossed in an extra two lines to clear my Temp folder and pre-fetch.
  • Become Private (Score:4, Informative)

    by Slashdotgirl (912338) on Saturday February 04 2006, @12:53PM (#14642299)
    The following are just some of the programs, which provide a level of both encryption and anonymous communication for Internet usage:

    • Tor: Onion-based routing that acts as a proxy layer between the client computer and the Tor network. http://tor.eff.org/ [eff.org]

    • I2P: Also known as the Invisible Internet Project. The network is regarded as a message based system. http://www.i2p.net/ [i2p.net]

    • FreeNet: is a distributed information and storage retrieval system designed to address the concerns of privacy. Freenet is designed to be anonymous and totally peer to peer. http://freenetproject.org/ [freenetproject.org]

    • GNUnet: is a P2P network that can support many different forms of peer-to-peer applications. http://gnunet.org/ [gnunet.org]

    There are other programs and if you do not want your "private details" known then you would be wise to use them. In addition, anyone who thinks their private data that is held by organisations and government departments is safe whether there is a "Data Protection Act" or not then they should think twice for example the "National Security Agency eavesdropping on Americans incident". This is not the first time nor will it be the last time that such incidents will occur. Without being anonymous, we can never have true freedom of speech.

  • by mabu (178417) on Saturday February 04 2006, @12:55PM (#14642312)
    I'm not conspiracy theorist, but it seems pretty obvious the real value of this information and what the government might do with it once you examine the playing field and the objectives of all parties involved.

    Frist and foremost, the Internet is currently unregulated. This really bothers most governments around the world, and probably the United States most of all. They want to have more control over this medium for a myriad of reasons, not the least of which is tax purposes and the ability to influence the populace. Look at what's been done with mainstream media and you can have an idea of what the powers-that-be would like to see happen to the Internet.

    However, the government cannot simply arbitrarily announce they're going to start heavily regulating the Internet. That's not going to work, so the first step will be to try to use some kind of politically-correct issue, to shoe-horn their grimy hands into the issue. This is likely to be something like child pornography, which very few will have problems with. Things like COPA are good examples of regulatory laws which were passed with a minimum of opposition due to the PC-nature of the issues they addressed, but they all have the ultimate goal of setting precedents where the government(s) can tell you what you can do with your web site.

    The demographic profiling done by companies like Google is a big part of the government's ability to make their case for additional regulation.

    Make no mistake, this is and will continue to happen. Whether or not any of us think that it's practical to try to control/regulate what happens online, the government is sure going to try. With more and more commerce moving to the online world, and less dependence upon traditional media sources, big companies are going to want to have their piece of the pie, and they rarely play fair. We should be paying very close attention to what happens from the perspective of this plan. We should expect and anticipate a few popular scenarios to present themselves which will sway public opinion into allowing more government regulation of online activity. This may have to do with terrorism, child porn, or even spam. It's going to be an interesting time in the next decade as we watch and see how select corporate and government interests try to bully their way into having control of the Internet. Search engines are treasure troves of information they can use to prove any claim they want.
  • Oh..... (Score:1)

    by kentrel (526003) on Saturday February 04 2006, @02:15PM (#14642679)
    (Last Journal: Wednesday April 27 2005, @01:58PM)
    Shiiiiiit
  • by CaroKann (795685) on Saturday February 04 2006, @02:38PM (#14642763)
    What kind of logs do they keep, even with dynamically assigned ip addresses?
  • by CaroKann (795685) on Saturday February 04 2006, @03:20PM (#14642924)
    Don't ever forget, if you see it in your browser, it is most likely stored on the hard drive somewhere. The article suggests that users clear their browser's history, cookies, and other temporary files every time they close down their browser. However, they fail to point out that simply deleting the files the usual way does not actually delete them. 'Deleting' files merely removes the file information from your file systems catalog entry. It is like removing the card catalog entry from a libraries' catalog system and then claiming the book has been destroyed. If you are truly paranoid, then you must use a secure file deletion utility, of which there are many [google.com]. However, even these tools won't completely erase all traces of a file from your hard drive.

    In addition, many add-on browsing tools, such as Flash and fancy tool bars, may store temporary files and histories on their own. Erasure tools, or the browser's built in cleaning feature, may not be able to erase these third party files.

    Why should you care? Well, over your hard drives' lifetime, a tremendous amount of data will be stored that can be used to analyze you down to the microscopic level.
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  • by mike2006 (947377) on Saturday February 04 2006, @04:47PM (#14643220)
    Support sites that protect your privacy and limit government access to it. Pretty simple statement but not easy to do even with the variety of competing search engines. For example for Newslookup.com I can tell you that your search results tracking, logs and personally indentifiable information is regularly purged. There are other search engines that also make this claim however many sites use a 3rd party to display Ads. With every page display the Ad serving company will have logged the referring link from the page which includes your search term.

    There are just so many levels at which you can be tracked and your private data can become public. In most cases I am against government regulation but I believe companies should be required to purge personally identifiable information along with tighter restrictions and penalities should private information be revealed.

    It is likely the reverse will happen and perhaps that is an opportunity for competition where a cookie free news search engine with third party Ad serving such as Newslookup.com will benefit :)

  • WEEE! (Score:1)

    by scutato (950854) on Saturday February 04 2006, @05:16PM (#14643295)
    I just realized there's a Search History option in Google...woo! Mine has cute [mnzoo.com] fuzzy [primates.com] animals [tackettproductions.com]. :)
  • Google Analytics Fixes (Score:2, Informative)

    by Fnord666 (889225) on Saturday February 04 2006, @09:21PM (#14644015)
    A brute force approach for google analytics is to add the following to your hosts file:
    # [Google Inc]
    127.0.0.1 www.google-analytics.com

    If you are using firefox, then there is an extension [customizegoogle.com] to customize your interaction with google. One of the preference sections is privacy settings. Options include anonymizing your user ID and never sending cookie data to google analytics.
    labnol.blogspot.com has an article [blogspot.com] that discusses both of these options and also discusses how to add the hosts entry on a windows box.

  • Re:And since when (Score:1)

    by Skiron (735617) on Saturday February 04 2006, @12:07PM (#14642060)
    (http://www.linicks.net/)
    Then if that is the complaint, block access from outside USA like Bush did to his site did during the election if you don't want anybody to read it and pass judgment.
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  • Re:And since when (Score:1)

    by klingens (147173) on Saturday February 04 2006, @12:12PM (#14642087)
    Google.co.uk is not a US site, neither is google.de. So unless google stops redirecting me always to google.de and unregister their .de domains, they better start adhering to our privacy laws. They are doing business here (many german Adsense adverts), so they have to follow the laws. And stop shitting on our (european) furniture.
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