Stories
Slash Boxes
Comments

News for nerds, stuff that matters

Crank Blogging, Like Phone Calling, Now Illegal

Posted by jamie on Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:00 PM
from the do-people-get-prosecuted-for-this? dept.
On Thursday, President Bush signed into law a must-pass DoJ appropriations bill which contained a little gotcha for the internet. For decades, making anonymous abusive phone calls has been a federal crime, good for up to two years behind bars -- and the term "abusive" has included threats, harassment, and the much weaker "intent to annoy." Now, that telecommunications law has been extended to include the Internet, so when you post an anonymous troll to wind up your least-favorite blogger, you may break the law. This is silly: the law needs to start taking into account the qualitative differences between things like telephones, email inboxes, blogs, and IM accounts. A 3 AM phone call is different from a post to blogger.com calling me a jerk. I don't need federal protection from that Night Elf who keeps /chickening my Orc.
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.
Display Options Threshold:
The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.
(1) | 2
  • So wait... (Score:4, Interesting)

    ...does that mean when you get a -1 Flamebait on slashdot, the authorities are dispatched?
    • Re:So wait... (Score:5, Funny)

      by ihatewinXP (638000) on Monday January 09 2006, @12:04PM (#14428365)
      (http://blog.myspace.com/jonathano)
      Give me some mod points and we can find out!

      [ Parent ]
    • Re:So wait... by IcyNeko (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:05PM
    • Re:So wait... (Score:5, Funny)

      by Snap E Tom (128447) on Monday January 09 2006, @12:07PM (#14428397)
      Yes. Coming soon, the mod option will be "-1, Jail."
      [ Parent ]
      • Re:So wait... (Score:5, Funny)

        by Surt (22457) on Monday January 09 2006, @12:34PM (#14428661)
        (http://ptth.net/squish/ | Last Journal: Monday October 01, @11:26AM)
        Well of course it won't be direct to jail, there will have to be a trial to determine if you are actually guilty, unless the executive branch has some sort of magical power to just throw people into jails without due process.

        [ Parent ]
        • Re:So wait... by tekiegreg (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @12:38PM
          • Re:So wait... by CreatureComfort (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:45PM
            • Re:So wait... by CoolVibe (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @02:40PM
              • Re:So wait... by CreatureComfort (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @10:40PM
          • Re:So wait... by Surt (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:55PM
            • Re:So wait... by heavy snowfall (Score:3) Monday January 09 2006, @01:20PM
              • Re:So wait... by jamie (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:43PM
            • Re:So wait... by tekiegreg (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @01:52PM
            • Re:So wait... by TheSpoom (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @04:38PM
              • Re:So wait... by Surt (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @04:43PM
              • Re:So wait... by TheSpoom (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @06:58PM
        • Re:So wait... by Soporific (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @12:43PM
        • Re:So wait... by Mostly a lurker (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:48PM
          • Re:So wait... by drinkypoo (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:04PM
          • Re:So wait... by numatrix (Score:3) Monday January 09 2006, @03:13PM
            • Re:So wait... (Score:5, Insightful)

              by orthogonal (588627) on Monday January 09 2006, @03:43PM (#14430412)
              (Last Journal: Sunday April 16 2006, @10:03PM)
              I haven't read the actual warrant, so I have no idea who I'd side with.

              My friend, you don't have to read the warrant; you just need to read Alito's dissent a bit more attentively.

              The important line is the last one (emphasis added): Second, even if the warrant did not contain such authorization, a reasonable police officer could certainly have read the warrant as doing so, and therefore the appellants are entitled to qualified immunity.

              Now understand that: Alito's saying that it's OK if a cop misreads a warrant and does something it doesn't authorize, the cop can't be sued.

              Now let's think about that. If your doctor misreads a drug formulary and gives you Topamax (an epilepsy drug) when he meant to give you Toprol-XL (a drug for heart failure), and as a result you have a heart attack, would you say that you shouldn't be allowed to sue?

              Now as to the facts of the case Alito dissented from: the warrant only described, and authorized, the search of one adult male. When the cops went to the man's home to arrest him, that adult male's wife and daughter were with him. Even though the warrant only authorized a search of the man, the cops also strip searched his wife and the ten-year-old daughter.

              The warrant names one adult man, and the police "misread" it to include a ten-year-old girl, and they make her take off all her clothes and bend over and be searched by a stranger.

              That's a pretty substantial misreading, you'd agree? Well, maybe you wouldn't agree, but consider this: Alito's opinion was a dissent; that means two other judges disagreed with Alito and thought the police went too far.

              And one of those other judges was none other than Bush's current head of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff -- no "liberal" he.

              So, friend, does my explication help you decide that police strip-searching a ten-year-old girl is wrong?
              [ Parent ]
              • Re:So wait... (Score:4, Insightful)

                by numatrix (242325) on Monday January 09 2006, @05:43PM (#14431513)
                So, friend, does my explication help you decide that police strip-searching a ten-year-old girl is wrong?

                Of course nobody wants to see little girls strip-searched. Stop avoiding my point by bringing emotional rhetoric into it.

                Alito did not say that any mistakes a cop might make are ok. Let me change the emphasis on the same quote and see if it sounds different:

                Second, even if the warrant did not contain such autho- rization, a reasonable police officer could certainly have read the warrant as doing so, and therefore the appellants are entitled to qualified immunity.

                The suggestion appears that if a reasonable were to think he had permission under the warrant to search the family, then it's appropriate to grant him immunity. Now, I'm no lawyer, but I think that's the same sort of reasonableness standard that's applied elsewhere in the law.

                What the text of the warrant specified and why the cops thought they were allowed to search the family is exactly what we should be discussing, but you haven't brought that up because you keep trying to make an emotional appeal that's unrelated.

                So if you'd like to discuss whether the cops were reasonable, why they thought they had the right to the search, and whether they did or not, then by all means, let's discuss it. I'm not predisposed toward agreeing with either side until I look at the warrant and the circumstances. But please stop headlining with inflammatory text like "ALITO SUPPORTS UNAUTHORIZED STRIP SEARCHES"

                [ Parent ]
                • Re:So wait... by Clod9 (Score:3) Monday January 09 2006, @08:39PM
                  • Re:So wait... by lars_stefan_axelsson (Score:2) Tuesday January 10 2006, @03:57AM
                  • You're crazy! by aug24 (Score:2) Tuesday January 10 2006, @06:06AM
                  • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
                • Re:So wait... by surprise_audit (Score:2) Tuesday January 10 2006, @12:16AM
                • Re:So wait... by Vintermann (Score:2) Tuesday January 10 2006, @07:16AM
                  • Re:So wait... by numatrix (Score:2) Tuesday January 10 2006, @10:43PM
              • 3 replies beneath your current threshold.
          • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
        • Re:So wait... (Score:5, Insightful)

          by loginx (586174) <xavier.wuug@org> on Monday January 09 2006, @02:07PM (#14429557)
          (http://www.wuug.org/)
          "there will have to be a trial to determine if you are actually guilty"

          You mean a trial to determine that you are actually guilty...
          [ Parent ]
          • Re:So wait... by loginx (Score:3) Monday January 09 2006, @08:53PM
          • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
        • Re:So wait... (Score:4, Funny)

          by Spudley (171066) on Monday January 09 2006, @02:22PM (#14429697)
          (http://www.badpuns.com/)
          Well of course it won't be direct to jail...

          No... but you still won't get your $200 for passing Go.
          [ Parent ]
        • Tell it to Jose Padilla n/t by DanTheLewis (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @04:32PM
        • Re:So wait... by Spudds (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @05:23PM
        • Re:So wait... by Rohan427 (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @08:16PM
        • Re:So wait... by Belseth (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @08:40PM
        • Re:So wait... (Score:5, Funny)

          by atomm1024 (570507) on Monday January 09 2006, @01:21PM (#14429132)
          Heh... meanwhile, we also need a "-1: Missed Obvious Sarcasm" moderation.
          [ Parent ]
        • 2 replies beneath your current threshold.
      • Re:So wait... by op12 (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:03PM
        • Re:So wait... by Phillup (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @03:23PM
      • For every -1 Flamebait that appears on Slashdot we should all file a federal lawsuit that must be investigated and tried. Sometimes you just have to prove that something is too stupid to be in the rule book. We'll see how long the justice system can withsatnd a very stupid law that can be invoked by the average citizen. Any takers on a template complaint form to save lawyer fees? :D

        And just for clarification, I'm all for protection agains harrassment, but a law against making an anonymous message that annoys someone is ridiculous.
        [ Parent ]
      • Re:So wait... by Z0mb1eman (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:38PM
      • Re:So wait... by StikyPad (Score:3) Monday January 09 2006, @04:57PM
    • Silly American K-niggots!!! (Score:4, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2006, @12:19PM (#14428537)
      ^------- by Anonymous Coward, Ha!

      Does this mean that we, in the rest of the world, can lay into you guys in the US and there's nothing you can do about it (anonymously)?

      I will taunt you a second time!!!

      Ha! Your country is really small and you all smell of pooh!

      [ Parent ]
    • Re:So wait... by tsa (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:26PM
    • Re:So wait... by DanTheLewis (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:07PM
    • Re:So wait... by ZachPruckowski (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:46PM
      • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
    • Only the anonymous cowards (Score:5, Interesting)

      by SmallFurryCreature (593017) on Monday January 09 2006, @01:55PM (#14429457)
      (Last Journal: Friday August 17, @05:34AM)
      If you read the article it is only if you hide your identity. It is an intresting move. It could be seen as part of the move to a trusted internet.

      Currently the internet is not trusted. I don't really know who you are and you don't know who I am and we can pester each other without really being able to do anything about it.

      Total open internet doesn't work. That is clear from slashdot alone else why would we have moderation and bans? If you ever run a website you will quickly learn that you will need to secure your site from many attacks.

      There is something about being anonymous that can bring out the worst in people and with the internet it doesn't matter how small a group it is, they still number in the millions because of the global reach. Or put another way I don't need to worry about some kid from Japan gatecrashing my Dutch LUG. That same kid however can easily try attacking the website and I can't grab him by the throath and show what happens to little punks.

      So lets move to a totally un-anonymous internet where who you are is known. Post a troll on slashdot and be assured someone from your hometown will come by and teach you a lesson.

      Nice idea no? No. Because for all the trolls and flamers and idiots and time wasters there are also those people who contribute stuff they can get in trouble for but we would really like to know. Oh they ain't many, every slashdot story has trolls versus only a handfull that have inside information BUT some people find that the trolls are worth it.

      And yet should that mean anyone can do anything they want and not have to fear being punished for it? Saying that people should be able to harras, threathen or even annoy while hiding behind anonymity is al very good until you are at the receiving end.

      I happen to know one of the people who claims to be one of the gnaa members. Yes he is as sad in real live as well but that is not the real funny thing. He sometimes gets "attacked" himself and then bitterly complains about how people are costing him bandwidth from a DOS (yeah a DOS not even a DDOS). A lot of people are for freedom but only if it is them being free, the moment someone else uses freedom against them it is time to get the law involved.

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

      This says you are free to speak. Strictly speaking it does not say you do not have to face consequences of what you say. (Shouting fire in a crowded theather example) It certainly does not say you have the right do speak anonymous. The amendment was clearly not written by lawyers. Not good ones anyway.

      Of course it also was written a long time ago when if you wanted to say something you had to either own a press or stand up in front of your audience. The tech to speak from another continent without ever having to show yourselve was unheard perhaps even undreamed of.

      This law has a lot of nasty possibilities but as someone who has had to clean to many websites after a visit by a person with the intent to annoy I am torn in two. The majority of me knows this is going to lead to trouble and the other part of me has a list of IP's in his firewall that he would loved to have traced by the feds and their users put in a wooden chair with leather straps and a link to another kind of net.

      Should at least make for some intresting bash.org posts when someone convinces an annoying kid they are about to be arrested for talking in caps.

      [ Parent ]
    • Re:So wait... by darkmeridian (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @05:01PM
      • Re:So wait... by commodoresloat (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @06:56PM
    • Re:The words of Bert Convy in the Movie Semi Tough by lcsjk (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @02:21PM
      • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
    • 5 replies beneath your current threshold.
  • First Anonymous Post by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:02PM
  • by JeanBaptiste (537955) on Monday January 09 2006, @12:02PM (#14428341)
    My co-worker Steve is a real jerk.
  • Actually, I think the entire law against crank calling is pretty worthless now, anyway.

    We have Caller ID -- we can refuse to answer the phone. If crank calls were a major concern, you'd see market solutions to the problem. Companies would come up with "quiet time" phone features that would prevent any ring after a certain hour unless you coded it with numbers that were acceptable.

    As you can see with this law, and thousands of other bad laws, you enter into a slippery slope of stupidity.

    The Department of Justice is completely out of control -- nearly 99% of the Department is unconstitutional and unnecessary at the federal level. In this end, this is an abridgement on the freedom of speech. Every time government wants to penalize "edgy" speech, they are just finding another way to control normal speech.

    I think we know who the real cranks are in this case -- read the entire law/budget, you'll find more bad things than usual. In fact, I can't see anything in the budget that seems worthwhile anymore.
    • Re:Is this law really needed? by wwonka74 (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:12PM
    • Re:Is this law really needed? by aaribaud (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @12:14PM
    • Re:Is this law really needed? by Alcoholist (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @12:15PM
    • Re:Is this law really needed? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Evil Adrian (253301) on Monday January 09 2006, @12:15PM (#14428495)
      (http://asdasd/)
      Caller ID is not free, it is an optional pay service on most carriers, and not everyone has it, so not everyone can just sit there and screen the calls.

      That aside, if someone doesn't answer the call (because they know who is calling via Caller ID), what is to stop that person from calling 300 times consecutively in an attempt to annoy/harass them?

      I guess you could block the caller... but that too incurs a fee.

      "As you can see with this law, and thousands of other bad laws, you enter into a slippery slope of stupidity."

      I don't think it's out of line for the government to outlaw harassment. You could certainly argue that this law in particular perhaps goes too far, but you're almost saying it's OK to harass people, until some company invents technology that you can purchase to stop harassment. That is just plain silly.
      [ Parent ]
      • Caller ID is not free, it is an optional pay service on most carriers, and not everyone has it, so not everyone can just sit there and screen the calls.

        Government is not free and in fact costs way more than competitive services.

        Government is not optional, so those of us who pick another option still have to pay.

        Government doesn't support everyone -- in fact laws are fairer to those who can afford a lawyer.

        Not everyone can go and sue someone for harassing them. If someone harasses you a few times from an unknown number, good luck getting the cops to stop them.

        You could certainly argue that this law in particular perhaps goes too far, but you're almost saying it's OK to harass people, until some company invents technology that you can purchase to stop harassment. That is just plain silly.

        Fine. I'll pay $6 for a caller ID box and $24 a year for piece of mind. You want to pay for bureaucracy and red tape and non-effective unconstitutional legislation? You should pay your share of what you use, I'd like to bow out of it.
        [ Parent ]
        • Responding to what's written by wurp (Score:3) Monday January 09 2006, @01:10PM
        • Re:Is this law really needed? by lawpoop (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:21PM
          • Re:Is this law really needed? by Cro Magnon (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:44PM
            • Re:Is this law really needed? (Score:4, Insightful)

              by lawpoop (604919) on Monday January 09 2006, @02:41PM (#14429877)
              (http://lawpoop.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Friday May 28 2004, @06:51PM)
              "*spews Coke on monitor*"

              Sounds like you've never visisted the third world. When you visit the police station to file a complaint, or get pulled over by a cop, do you expect to pay a bribe? That's standard operating procedure outside of Europe, North America, Austrailia, and Japan, etc.

              If you decide to run against an incombant politicain, do you expect to get thrown in jail on trumped up charges? If you do get thrown in jail, do you expect to be regularly beaten by the guards?

              Do American political dissidents ever just "dissapear" without a trace, with not a peep from the government, much less an investigation?

              "I suppose there might be a few people in government who want to do what's right, but they're far outnumber by the power-grabbers. And, unless we get a lot more "common people" off their butts, the government responds more to the corporate lobbiests than to the common person." Not so. Most people in the government are average Joe and Jane Beaurecrats. They are the lazy Federal employees. But, at least they aren't corrupt.

              The power-hungry people are the elected congrespeople, Senators and perhaps the cabinet members. That's 535 congress people + 100 senators, + 1 president + 1 vice-president. Those people are far out-numbered by the bureaucrats.

              " Or Khartoum, where people walk the city streets with Hyenas and Baboons on chains for personal protection

              "If only hyenas and babboons could protect against Elephants and Donkeys.
              "

              You aren't seriously suggesting that Republican and Democratic political operatives are actually killing people on a daily basis, are you?

              " When you start reducing legitimate democratic government, you have either corporations exploiting working people like in the US at the turn of the 20th century

              "Don't you mean the turn of the 21st century? And the government (both parties) is in their pockets."

              As bad as things are now, they were much worse 100 years ago. Before the FDA, you could basically sell poison onthe shelf as an exilir for any ailment. You could have a factory work fall into the meat processing machinery and everybody in Chicago can buy canned human flesh later that week. Mine workers would go into debt living in the Mine companies town, buying their food and renting their housing, and this after working 100 hour weeks with no vacation. Even 12 year old were working in the mines.

              So basically, take your head out of your rear-end, get up out of your armchair, read some history, look at other countries in the world. Here in the US, we are living in a paradise.
              [ Parent ]
          • Re:Is this law really needed? by Coryoth (Score:3) Monday January 09 2006, @02:23PM
          • Re:Is this law really needed? by Linux_ho (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @03:50PM
          • Don't confuse libertarian with anarchist by walterbyrd (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @03:56PM
          • Re:Is this law really needed? (Score:5, Insightful)

            by RexRhino (769423) on Monday January 09 2006, @04:03PM (#14430603)
            What you are saying is true, but only to a certain extent.

            Yes, at the present state of time, we probably still need a small state to protect us from certain groups who would step in and take power in the absence of the government. But that is a huge jump to saying that we need the monster government that we have today.

            First of all, you are assuming that the government protects us from, lets say, a corporation. It is clear right now that corporations use law suits, government legistlation, intellectual property laws, all as tools for control and intimidation. It is not that the government protects us from corporations, but more like our government is being used as an enforcer for corporations.

            Intimidation of minorities was/is largely carried out by the government (Jim Crow laws then, drug and gun laws now that almost exclusivly target minorities now) Ask a black man living in inner city Detroit if he is more scared of the KKK, or of the police! At least half a million black men are imprisioned right now for victimless crimes... When you consider that there is only 10-15 million black men in the United States, I would say that the U.S. government is several orders of magnitude more dangerous to minorities that the KKK.

            In most places, the government acts WITH organized crime... for example, in many places you can't get a building permit unless you pay off the local goodguy, who then pays off the local politician to let you build. Or we have drug laws that do more to raise the price of illegal drugs and make them highly profitable than they do to stop illegal drugs (the DEA is the OPEC of drug smuggling!!! And I won't even go into the CIA drug operations).

            And, I am of course talking about the United States. The Soviet Union and Stalin's purges, Mao and his "Cultural Revolution" and "Great Leap Forward", Pol Pot in Cambodia, Nicolia Chochecau in Romaina, I could go on and on about governments with far greater domestic power than the United States and the attrocities they commited. The United States is generally a more pleasent place to live because the lack of total government control. (But even without a totalitarian government, we have the U.S. government's participation in the genocide of native Americans, or massive bombing of civilians in WWII and Vietnam, and other attrocities that have nothing to do with fighting big corporations or the mafia).

            Yes, you are correct, an immediate jump to anarchy is probably not a good thing right now... we probably need the government to protect us from warlords, aggressive foriegn governments, powerful economic interests, etc. But you are not defending that, you are defending a government that regularly invades peoples homes on the slightest of pretext, spies on its own citizens, takes 80% of their income in taxes and hidden fees, and now can arbitrarily throw people in jail for being "annoying". We are so far away from the concept of liberal democracy that maybe having a few more mafia people might be an acceptable price to pay for a little bit more freedom.
            [ Parent ]
            • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
          • Re:Is this law really needed? by Geoffreyerffoeg (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @05:26PM
          • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
        • Re:Is this law really needed? by geekoid (Score:3) Monday January 09 2006, @01:28PM
        • Re:Is this law really needed? by Ectospheno (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @01:39PM
        • Re:Is this law really needed? by Politburo (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:53PM
        • Re:Is this law really needed? by AK Marc (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @04:04PM
      • Re:Is this law really needed? by dzafez (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @01:41PM
      • Re:Is this law really needed? by Gunny101 (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @01:48PM
      • Re:Is this law really needed? by brontus3927 (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:52PM
      • Re:Is this law really needed? by balsy2001 (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @02:32PM
      • Re:Is this law really needed? by Lagged2Death (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @05:16PM
      • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
    • Re:Is this law really needed? by teklob (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @12:41PM
    • Re:Is this law really needed? by joto (Score:3) Monday January 09 2006, @12:41PM
    • Re:Is this law really needed? by thetejon (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @12:52PM
    • Re:Is this law really needed? by AviLazar (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @02:07PM
    • One Acronym by everphilski (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @02:14PM
    • Re:Is this law really needed? by deacon (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @03:38PM
    • Re:Is this law really needed? by Reziac (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @04:36PM
    • Re:Is this law really needed? by Feanturi (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @10:48PM
    • Re:Is this law really needed? by dada21 (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:27PM
    • Re:Is this law really needed? by Shawn is an Asshole (Score:1) Tuesday January 10 2006, @05:58AM
    • 6 replies beneath your current threshold.
  • Let me be the first (Score:3, Funny)

    by zap_branigan (691916) on Monday January 09 2006, @12:04PM (#14428367)
    to tell the submitter what an ass he is.
  • Damn Night Elves (Score:4, Funny)

    by bleh-of-the-huns (17740) on Monday January 09 2006, @12:04PM (#14428370)
    I'm gonna call the cops next time some night elf hunter kills my helpless warlock from shadowmeld :P
  • the HOME of flamers and trolls. ;-)

    Soon the forums will be empty as we are all carted off to jail for smart ass comments given with the "intent to annoy".
  • What? (Score:3, Funny)

    "Intent to annoy"? Every sibling, spouse and co-worker in America could be charged under this clause!

    My wife LIVES to annoy me! It is one of her main goals in life. I'm fairly certain each of my kids also has a primary purpose to annoy one or more of their siblings, their mother, all their teachers and many of the other kids at school. Frequently phones are involved.

      -Charles
  • by appleLaserWriter (91994) on Monday January 09 2006, @12:06PM (#14428387)
    I find this new policy annoying.
  • Moderator points .... by canning (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:06PM
  • What the hell...? by Apostata (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @12:07PM
  • Really reason, Bush googled himself by FerretFrottage (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:08PM
  • Already taken into account (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2006, @12:09PM (#14428415)

    This is silly: the law needs to start taking into account the qualitative differences between things like telephones, email inboxes, blogs, and IM accounts. A 3 AM phone call is different from a post to blogger.com calling me a jerk.

    The law doesn't spell out everything. It's up to judges and juries to decide what qualifies as harrassment. Would they decide repeated 3AM calls is harrassment? Probably. Would they decide somebody calling you a jerk is harrassment? Probably not. But it's something that has to be decided on a case-by-case basis, not something that can be spelled out explicitly by law ahead of time.

    I don't need federal protection from that Night Elf who keeps /chickening my Orc.

    No, but if you were a small-time blogger just scraping by on ad revenue, you might need protection from people making your comment system utterly useless with continued abuse. If Slashdot didn't have full-time staff to program things like the moderation system, the comments would be useless. And believe me, people aren't coming to Slashdot for the crappy game reviews, years-old news and dupes.

  • by Unknown Poltroon (31628) * <unknown_poltroon1sp@myahoo.com> on Monday January 09 2006, @12:10PM (#14428434)
    I ave fellt personally harrased and annoyed by many statements made by politicians. Can I press charges? How can this new law not apply to any form of speech?
  • uhum by fireiceviperhotmail. (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @12:10PM
  • intent of the medium (Score:5, Interesting)

    by beforewisdom (729725) on Monday January 09 2006, @12:10PM (#14428444)
    The intent of the medium should be considered in these kind of laws.

    Blogs are public with an implicit invitation ( unless comments are shut off ) by the owner to contact the owner to share your views.

    That is not the same with a phone.
  • But seriously... by slashdotnickname (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @12:11PM
  • Good Law by hattig (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @12:11PM
    • Re:Good Law by betsig339 (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @02:29PM
  • sneaky sneaky (Score:5, Insightful)

    by endx7 (706884) on Monday January 09 2006, @12:11PM (#14428459)
    (Last Journal: Monday November 08 2004, @03:43PM)
    I'm not concerned with this particular bill as I am with one of the tactics that was used.

    Namely, I'm talking about the embedding of other mostly unrelated things into a bill. It's especially bad, since with a bill such as this one, the existance of the DoJ relies on this bill getting passed to get its funding. Because of this, members of congress feeled pressed that the bill must be passed (as was noted in the first sentence of jamie's summary).
  • 1984 ish by Firewalker_Midnights (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @12:13PM
    • INGSOC? by C10H14N2 (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:20PM
    • Re:1984 ish by TheSpoom (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:49PM
      • I remember voting! by ElephanTS (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @01:04PM
      • Re:1984 ish by Firewalker_Midnights (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @01:07PM
  • I blog, I hate spam. by Hosiah (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:15PM
  • Usenet by mccalli (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:15PM
  • Thats all well and good but... by Toloran (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @12:16PM
  • How will they determine who it is? by mrtroy (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @12:16PM
  • you might not need it, but they do (Score:5, Insightful)

    by aeoo (568706) on Monday January 09 2006, @12:16PM (#14428502)
    (Last Journal: Friday January 13 2006, @01:30AM)
    A 3 AM phone call is different from a post to blogger.com calling me a jerk. I don't need federal protection from that Night Elf who keeps /chickening my Orc.

    Yes, you're right. What sane person would need such a law?

    But on the other hand, I can see how politicians and people in power might need such a law. It would make it illegal to criticize them anonymously.
  • . . . and so it goes (Score:4, Insightful)

    by clancey101 (939107) on Monday January 09 2006, @12:17PM (#14428509)
    (http://www.10-minute-rule.com/)
    This law is just part of a continuing effort to erode and limit the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. Continuing attacks on fundamental rights in the United States will continue as long as fear replaces philosophy as the primary tool used to win elections and retain/attain power in elections. It is imperative for citizens of democracies to fight laws which restrict rights -- even if that means protecting the rights of those they find offensive. The test of any action should be whether that action restricts of limits the freedome of others. If it does, then the act is bad., If it does not, then it should be tolerated even if it is ugly and indecent.
  • Wikipedia/Seigenthaler? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by dpbsmith (263124) on Monday January 09 2006, @12:19PM (#14428531)
    (http://www.dpbsmith.com/)
    I wonder how this plays out in the context of l'affaire Seigenthaler? [wikipedia.org]

    "Brian Chase, a 38 year old operations manager at Rush Delivery in Nashville, admitted he had placed the allegations there to play a joke on a colleague..." I suppose Chase's intent was to tweak his (unnamed) colleague, not to annoy Seigenthaler...
  • The Road to Hell... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Billosaur (927319) * <wgrotherNO@SPAMoptonline.net> on Monday January 09 2006, @12:20PM (#14428541)
    (Last Journal: Tuesday November 13, @10:52AM)
    ...is paved with Congressional legislation. Who are they kidding? Just how enforceable is this going to be? Are the federal courts (which are already overburdened with real criminal cases) now to be swamped with case of "he called me a fsck-head on Slashdot?" The intent is good, allowing people to avoid harrassment but the execution is lousy. I can't see this standing up to the inevitable challenge by the ACLU in front of the Supreme Court.
  • by Time Doctor (79352) <zakk@icculus.org> on Monday January 09 2006, @12:22PM (#14428566)
    (http://www.timedoctor.org/)
    When you troll on Slashdot, you troll with Osama!
  • Anyone Willing to Test This? by eno2001 (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:24PM
    • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • AC's beware. by Fizzlewhiff (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:24PM
  • WOOHOOO!!! by macaulay805 (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:25PM
  • The point is obvious (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Deep Fried Geekboy (807607) on Monday January 09 2006, @12:26PM (#14428601)
    The point of all this bullshit is simply to create a web of laws which can be used to ensnare anybody.

    The next time some wingnut retard says 'so long as you've done nothing wrong, you've nothing to fear', point this out (and tell them how annoying they are).
  • The terrorists is using the Internets!

    And I almost forgot: What about the Children!!?!?!
  • reroll by SpineZ (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:31PM
  • The real crime (Score:4, Insightful)

    by lildogie (54998) on Monday January 09 2006, @12:31PM (#14428646)
    It should be a crime to prosecute someone unconstitutionally.
  • Oblig obscure reference... by LouisZepher (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @12:32PM
  • Blogging and e-mail way different (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Cyphertube (62291) on Monday January 09 2006, @12:33PM (#14428656)
    (http://cyphertube.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday May 21 2006, @11:10AM)

    This law sweeps across with a broad stroke and that's bad legislation.

    One problem is a matter of 'annoying' people. What is annoying varies from person to person.

    On the one hand, this means that spammers face yet another law against them. So, spamming while in the U.S. is a really bad idea. I'm sorry, if your name is really Ivan Charles Wiener, then, ok, I guess you can continue to send me erectile dysfunction ads as I.C. Wiener. But Heywood Jablowmie had better look out!

    My question then is a matter of whether or not posting anonymously on a blog is a problem. If you allow real anonymity and you aren't prepared to handle the system, well, you're a fool. But most blogging software takes care of that. And if you force people to register, problem solved.

    The big problem is that 'recipient of communication' is undefined. So, if I have a blog, and I allow people to post anonymously and they don't annoy me, is it a problem if some politician visits my blog and sees that? The original author is anonymous. Granted, as the owner and effective publisher who is not anonymous, well, I would argue that it's now my problem, and too bad, and so on. But sites, like Slashdot, that allow anonymous and disavow ownership of any kind of the post, well, that could be a big problem, as then Slashdot is not committing a crime directly, but can be considered an accessory.

    Hopefully, this thing will be given a reasonable smackdown, but I doubt it.

  • Stupid waste of time by Spy der Mann (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:41PM
  • Three words: (Score:3, Insightful)

    Line. Item. Veto.
    • Re:Three words: by Valar (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @04:13PM
    • Re:Three words: by StikyPad (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @08:21PM
    • One word: by PhxBlue (Score:2) Wednesday January 11 2006, @09:30PM
    • Re:Three words: by Syberghost (Score:2) Tuesday January 10 2006, @11:59AM
    • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • Easily Handled (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Renraku (518261) on Monday January 09 2006, @12:45PM (#14428774)
    (http://slashdot.org/)
    This is easy to take care of.

    Anytime someone posts something bad about you, immediately call the police with full intent to press charges. After we waste enough of the government's time, it will either do the smart thing and revise the law, or the stupid thing and make it a felony.

    Now personally I don't like it when people talk shit about me on my own blog, but I have the tools to remove their remarks thanks to the blog site. I surely don't need a law to protect me. The only way I could see it being useful is if some corporation decided they didn't like me and would engage in a smear campaign against my name on the websites I frequent. Then I would leverage this law (or libel..).
  • Is your server running? by scottennis (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:47PM
  • A new Sedition Act? by antifoidulus (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:47PM
  • Good idea, bad implementation? by MattW (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:48PM
  • Your laws can't touch me, I live in Canada, nyah! by diodeus (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:49PM
  • Is this SLAPP related? by MarsGov (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:51PM
  • HumanRank by quokkapox (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:53PM
  • Impervious! by SchrodingersRoot (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:54PM
  • Could be a good thing (real world example) by Grue_Food (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @12:56PM
  • 1984? by ElephanTS (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @01:01PM
  • Moderation -2 Troll by JRHelgeson (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:03PM
  • change AC to AT? by wardk (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @01:04PM
  • does this apply to taco & crew? by ignorant_newbie (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:09PM
  • Relevant Laws by Quinn_Inuit (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:09PM
  • First Federal Case: GOOGLE by AxsDeny (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @01:11PM
  • A test by jmcwork (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @01:13PM
    • Re:A test by Pichu0102 (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @02:04PM
  • In other news... by DanTheLewis (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:14PM
  • GNAA by atomm1024 (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:16PM
  • Too democratic a medium by Slinky Saves the Wor (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:19PM
  • Moderators vs Trolls by Cromac (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:19PM
  • I guess ACing someone could get you in big trouble by Randall311 (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @01:21PM
  • Okay, before we just blindly bash Bush by dan_sdot (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:23PM
  • Can't wait to see this law enforced... by Randall311 (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @01:24PM
  • Criminals by panxerox (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:25PM
  • Bound to happen by codefool (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @01:31PM
  • Does this apply to newsgroups? by Wansu (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:33PM
  • Riight! by Jtoxification (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @01:34PM
  • I live outside the US... by DrJokepu (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @01:38PM
  • To the OP... by SoulMaster (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @01:38PM
  • Who are our true friends? by DrVomact (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:38PM
  • Hmmm by UnknowingFool (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @01:43PM
  • Know what I think this is about? by davidsyes (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @01:50PM
  • Section 509 by XMilkProject (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @01:59PM
  • There is more to this than you think (Score:5, Insightful)

    by surfingmarmot (858550) on Monday January 09 2006, @02:09PM (#14429574)
    Most of you are looking at this from an individual perspective and you are grossly mistaken. How foolish you all are to think this law is to protect you! You the people! Hah! This administration doesn't do things for the people, they do them for big businesses with lots of funding to contribute to campaigns and with lobbyists who have big entertainment budgets. In other words corporations who are tired of trying to use ineffective civil law suits to stifle free speech about them. So this law is _not_ to give you power--it is to give corporations the power to criminalize product and corporate criticism on the internet. After all, civil suits are so darned expensive, but if a corporation can send a few people to jail, then that will have an immediate and severe chillng effect and squelch bad product reviews and negative comments about customer service and corporations. Don't believe me? Wait an see.
  • Interesting reading by jskline (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @02:13PM
  • Bad Analysis? by jufineath (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @02:13PM
  • Scotus by kitzilla (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @02:17PM
  • What the fuck! by GothChip (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @02:18PM
  • If you remember by Goner (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @02:19PM
  • how about tv? by pintomp3 (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @02:29PM
  • Maybe this is needed (Score:3, Interesting)

    by finkster (937210) on Monday January 09 2006, @02:37PM (#14429831)
    (http://williamfink.blogspot.com/)
    Perhaps this is the legal vehicle to aid in the prosecution of electronic harassment. A growing trend with middle and high school kids is to create blogs/website/emails to harass fellow students.

    I have seen some very vicious blog sites devoted to the defamation of a fellow student. Without the legal ammo, law enforcement has their hands tied as to the extent they can investigate and remove the content.

    With the web, you can anonymously bully fellow students from the comforts of your own bedroom.

    We need to weigh your right to flame someone with the rights of people to be protected from harassment.

    What amazes me, more than anything, is that some people seem to feel the need to draw a line between the real world and the Internet. For example, are on-line auctions THAT different from real-life auctions? How about shopping carts?
  • Bitch bitch bitch. If you don't like it ... by Ungrounded Lightning (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @02:48PM
  • Positive aspects by Egataes (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @03:01PM
  • Columbia House tried this by Yurka (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @03:01PM
  • Slashdotters are woman hating Nazis! by RexRhino (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @03:09PM
  • Just like virtually every other recent law... by Caspian (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @03:09PM
  • So if i make a webpage... by slack-fu (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @03:14PM
  • The creation of this law broke itself by Thaelon (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @03:16PM
  • What we really need... by Skim123 (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @03:30PM
  • Did anyone read the bill? by kaligraphic (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @03:31PM
  • What about musicians? by digitalgimpus (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @03:46PM
  • First Amendment violation by a_greer2005 (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @03:56PM
  • Conspiracy to annoy... by Boricle (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @04:08PM
  • Bored with politics? by grumpygrodyguy (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @04:47PM
  • When Does the State Become Liable? by bayers (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @05:08PM
    • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • This law is not for you and me. by bxbaser (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @05:27PM
  • Well then I guess... by Silent_Shadow900 (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @06:00PM
  • hidden aganda by walterbyrd (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @06:08PM
  • Now it's Like In China by Inyu (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @06:33PM
  • Whatever happened to free speech? by nurb432 (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @07:19PM
  • Bush is a HYPOCRITE!!! by d474 (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @08:01PM
  • slipping farther into a police state? by proudhawk (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @08:09PM
  • Oh well. by John Pfeiffer (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @10:11PM
  • The two basic forms of government by ScrewMaster (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @11:20PM
  • Look a little further for the truth. by yzquxnet (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @11:39PM
  • ack I submitted this story! by forgotten_my_nick (Score:1) Tuesday January 10 2006, @02:47AM
  • Do it on my phone. by C10H14N2 (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:25PM
  • Re:Not a problem by C0rinthian (Score:2) Monday January 09 2006, @12:40PM
  • Re:I don't know about the authorities being called by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @12:45PM
  • YOU ARE A SUCK PHUCK... by ClintJCL (Score:1) Monday January 09 2006, @01:57PM
  • 32 replies beneath your current threshold.
(1) | 2