



Barcode Scam Redux - Target's $4.99 iPod 1014
abscondment writes "Nearly a year ago, two couples were charged with scamming WalMart for nearly $1.5 Million by creating custom barcodes with reduced prices. You'd think that in the intervening months, other companies would guard against such shenanigans - but today we see that Target just caught a scammer buying iPods for $4.99! The 19 year old used BarCode Magic to create fake barcodes, buying expensive electronics suspiciously low prices. Personally, I would have gone for a less blatant discount, or refrained from visiting the same store so soon afterwards."
The crime is in getting caught... (Score:5, Interesting)
-JMP
Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:5, Funny)
Don't mod this funny.
Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:4, Informative)
So, the moral of the story is: if you must steal, steal from the big box stores because they have already accounted for you.
Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:5, Insightful)
The fact is that a candy bar or an iPod doesn't impact them all that much. But even those add up fast. But the real damage comes from people who find a decent grift and work it well. That can add up to a serious pile of money fast -- doubly bad if their scam takes money out of the registers and into the pockets of the naughty boys.
Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:5, Interesting)
Fun, fun, fun.
Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:5, Interesting)
if you must steal, steal from the big box stores because they have already accounted for you.
I worked for a while for Fry brothers, in the loss prevention department. The attitude there is just the opposite of "it's been accounted for". While they, no doubt, have to adjust their pricing due to theft, you should know that they are doing everything they can to minimize the losses -- all the way to zero.
One way they do it is, of course, by increasing security. And the other way -- by having employees (mostly managers) to pay for stolen items out of their own pay checks (so they do at Fry's -- I don't know about other stores). I have been treated to a tale about one courageous manager who literally dragged a customer out of his car through the window, because the latter was about to drive away without paying for his new car audio system.
The moral is: stealing is difficult and risky, regardless of the store size. And I would say, it only gets harder as the potential loss goes up. If you want to have it easy, you have to steal something that no one else is stealing, but then you won't be stealing anything worthwhile :)
Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:5, Funny)
Only to zero? If they were creative, they'd have a few store pickpockets on the floor--they'd soon be showing a profit in the security dept!
Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:4, Interesting)
As far as I know, from the time I was there, we haven't had to call security to physically stop anyone. Their presence was pretty much all it took for us to know that we at least minimized the theft, even if they did end up making out with some merchandise.
Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:5, Funny)
I think I can swing about $10/hour. I'm not sure I can afford to pay more without cutting back my hours severely.
Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:5, Interesting)
I worked with someone who was a former security employee of Frys. He was under the impression that it was perfectly ok to rough up suspected thieves. Bullshit. My aunt is the V.P. of security for a _major_ clothing chain. She couldn't emphesize enough that you never, ever use force of any type to detain someone. The potential damage in lawsuits (and public relations) is way too much compared to the tiny merchandise loss if someone decided to resist. Especially if it turned out to be a mistake (which does happen).
The rules she used at her chain:
1. You must see the person take the item.
2. You must never lose sight of that person from that moment until they leave the store.
3. You had security personal confront the person AFTER they left the store. 99% of the time the person just gave up on the spot.
4. You called the police immediately.
For that 1% who didn't cooperate. Security simply followed the person until they could get a license plate number, then called the police.
Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:5, Insightful)
Or would you fight?
If you did, would you use a fist? your keys? a bat? a knife?
Anything you had within reach? I'm pretty sure you would use anything in reach because I don't think you could decide as to what you would use to defend yourself between the time it took for the guy to grab you and the time your ass hit the pavement.
Not sure of your ethical standards, but once someone is actually trying to hurt me or my family I'm going to defend myself with whatever I have handy unless they identify themselves as the police or something similar. If you don't feel that way, well, fine, I guess, but I think your post has more to do with "OMFG!!!1 t3h gunz!!" than an argument on whether someone should fight back with whatever they have handy if they are pulled out their car.
*shrug* I guess.
Getting pulled out of a car is an extremely violent and aggressive action - it is inexcusable for a store employee (anyone, for that matter - except perhaps the police in the most extreme circumstances) to do this, likewise, the attacker should expect an extremely violent and aggressive response.
And if you believe that every situation that occurs between an armed person and someone else ends in a shooting, you're wrong.
While armed, I've personally been robbed once (stupid drunk jock decided to steal a toner cartridge) and have had someone try to mug me. In both cases, I had a handgun either in my hand or in a pocket, but didn't even draw it in (in the first case, the handgun was in the trunk / boot)
Sometimes letting a drunk take an $80 item or throwing a swift punch to the side of the head is all that is necessary to diffuse a situation.
Amazingly, people carrying guns don't become mindless killers that will shoot people at the slightest provocation.
Oh, and although you may be under the impression that your police officers are unarmed - this doesn't necessarily mean they don't carry. Some NZ police carry in an armpit holster, some (usually higher ranking officers) carry multiple firearms in their trunks of their cars. Heck, NZ cops (airport, etc) _have_ to carry and some cop shot a guy for attacking people with a baseball bat a few years ago, but they carry concealed to make the public feel good.
Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:3, Interesting)
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Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:5, Informative)
If it doesn't happen often, why would a store put in a permanent fix for the problem?
They already have. It's called RFID. If you have been around this site for the past two years, you've probably heard of it.
It's much harder to forge an RFID tag unless you have the private key of the transmitter, or have some high-tech spy equipment that can capture the entire negotiation stream between the transmitter and target to crack it later... and the cost of doing either of these things would be prohibitive to anyone who wants to make money off shoplifting (you'd be better off planning a bank robbery).
Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:5, Interesting)
True.
unless you have the private key of the transmitter, or have some high-tech spy equipment that can capture the entire negotiation stream between the transmitter and target to crack it later... and the cost of doing either of these things would be prohibitive to anyone who wants to make money off shoplifting (you'd be better off planning a bank robbery).
False. The stores aren't going to spend more than a penny or so per tag, and the tags will not be encrypted. They will have individual id numbers, though, and these will be stored in a database - much like a serial number. So you'll have to scan an existing unsold item in the store and duplicate that tag onto your target item. This is going to be difficult and expensive, since you have to disable the existing tag (inside the packaging) and add your own tag in an unobtrusive manner.
It is harder than barcodes, which anyone can print from their own computer. But I doubt retailers are going to be employing anything more than the simplest 64 or 128 bit ID. These can still be duplicated with a simple circuit (coil, a few passives, maybe a tiny battery) and microcontroller. Should be small enough to fit under a sticker: "New! Improved!" or "2 Year Warranty!" or "Newspeak V5.2 Included!"
The real deterrent is that when they scan the item you stole the tag from, they'll notice it's been sold, and a stock check will show up the missing item you stole. Since they are tagged with serial numbers they can track down your transaction. With even the time, date, and cash register number they'll be able to pull up camera footage if you were smart enough to pay cash. If not then they'll have lots of electronic information about your CC, debit card, or check to track you down with.
The biggest advantage to using RFID is not easier and more accurate scanning, it's that every item in the store now has a serial number and exists in the database. Better stock control will improve the bottom line - this is Walmart's biggest strength. If everyone goes to RFID then Walmart will have many more significant competitors since a lot of the operation they've worked so hard on is built into the whole RFID system. Perhaps one reason why they aren't pushing it so hard.
-Adam
Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:3, Insightful)
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Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:5, Funny)
So you're suggesting a steak-out?
Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:3, Insightful)
$4.99 for an Ipod. $300 for a DVD, you know. Worse, I would then put a bunch of stickers on with prices that are close but not perfect. 10% off some items, 10% more on others.
Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:5, Insightful)
One hint: 10 orders of magnitudes more than a single ipod is more than the domestic product of the world... during this whole decade.
Definition: order of magnitude (Score:3, Informative)
A number, let's say the cost of an iPod, is represented as a value and an order of magnitude:
149.99 = 1.4999 x 10^2
A number exactly one order of magnitude above that one would be represented much the same, but with an exponent one higher:
1499.90 = 1.4999 x 10^3
Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:4, Insightful)
That's not true. Violating basic ethical principles is wrong; and of course, laws ideally should embody these, but they don't always do that, and in cases where they're not - especially cases where the law is actually opposed to those principles -, it's not wrong in an ethical sense to break the law.
Not that that's the case here, of course; sticking custom bar codes on stuff in order to pay a lower price is pretty much a textbook example of fraud, I think. But I think it's worth keeping in mind that you should follow the law because it's what's right, not simply because it's "the law".
Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:3, Interesting)
Consider the influences. (Score:5, Insightful)
I would like to point out that it is the previous generation(s) who hold positions of influence in business and government routinely get away with henious crimes. (Take small sentences [businessweek.com] for destroying retirement funds for thousands of people [wikipedia.org], among other things.) We frequently see the wealthy and powerful get away with minor punishments that are effectively summed up as serving a prison sentence on a yaht in the Caribbean. Meanwhile, our society is replete with cases of minor offenses being punished beyond any reasonable severity. ($250,000 and larger fines for music swappers [techspot.com], or felony charges for young children reading passwords printed on their computers [berksmontnews.com], for example.) If I was a young person, I would be extremely confused. Does this mean that the more serious your crimes are, the less serious the consequences? Does this mean I can do whatever I want if I am affluent? Given that getting into some trouble is part of youth, this makes for a dangerous influence. There are also plenty of cases where breaking the law is not “wrong”, so we cannot treat this as an absolute either. What Rosa Parks [wikipedia.org] did was not wrong or unethical (quite the opposite), but it was most certainly against the rules.
So, you are absolutely correct that stealing is wrong, as is breaking most laws. However, I think we as a society need to do a few things (which come to mind) if we are to have any success in reducing crime. First, the punishments must fit the crime. Copying digital music should not have equal or worse consequences to stealing millions, perhaps billions from a corporation. Murder is a felony charge, not typing a password printed on the bottom of your laptop. You get the idea. Second, we must teach people how to properly evaluate laws and whether or not they are just. This is intrinsic to the continued operation of our democracy but it is hardly given any treatment. People must be able to determine which laws are reasonable insofar as the gravity of violations, and which laws must be disobeyed for the greater good. Third, we need to restore equal application under law irregardless of political, social, or economic standing. Today, the wealthy can afford good lawyers who are better versed in the law and thus finding loopholes. Meanwhile, the poor rarely have competent defense. This is very biased, and aside from being unfair and unjust, it also leads to further crime (these cycles are much more likely to be perpetuated in the lower classes).
Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:5, Insightful)
Old news... +ORC (Score:5, Informative)
His name- +ORC. To this day no one knows who he was, but his faithful servant, +Fravia, kept his vigil for a number of years. When Anon.penet.fi went down he melted away.
http://www.totse.com/en/hack/magnetic_stripes_and
http://www.woodmann.com/fravia/orc.htm
Big fucking deal! (Score:5, Funny)
I wanted one toy really bad and knew my mom wouldn't buy it for me, so I switched the price (it wasn't a barcode back then, of course) and convinced my mom to get it for me. It caused so many troubles for the people at the cash register that they eventually gave up trying to figure out why the price and item didn't match each other and felt bad for taking up so much of our time with their screwups that they just GAVE it to me and let us walk out.
Being a little kid kicks so much ass because nobody ever suspects what a criminal little fuck you are.
Re:The crime is in getting caught... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I notice it happening more and more. (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't know about record stores, but at most places I shop it seems that the cashiers know nothing about the products that they sell, so how would you expect them to know anything about the right price?
While we're talking about lack of product knowledge, let me say that I get kind of tired of asking for help at a store only to be told that I should read the box. I shop online more now because I can actually get the information I need about the product. I've also been known to stand in a store and call the 800 number on the box to ask the manufacturer questions. It's really quite sad.
Class 5 felony (Score:5, Insightful)
Ouch, ... that's gonna leave a mark...
Re:Class 5 felony (Score:5, Interesting)
He faces a felony count of forgery and two misdemeanor counts of theft.
I find it interesting that forgery was the charge that carries the greatest clout. Looks like he would have been better off if he just stuck the iPod under his jacket. It almost seems like he's being punished more for subverting the store's security system than for the actual theft of the property. Is it normal to charge a bar-code switcher with forgery? In the lego case [slashdot.org] it seems as if he was charged with theft rather than forgery.
Either way, you're right...he's going to have a tough time finding a job after college with this on his record...
Re:Class 5 felony (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Class 5 felony (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Class 5 felony (Score:3, Insightful)
Forgery though almost always implies premeditation. You can't just say "It was a spur of the moment thing, I don't know why I did it and i am truly sorry". The only expression of regret you can really give in a case of forgery is
Re:Class 5 felony (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, are we supposed to have much sympathy for him? He is a thief after all. And he doesn't help his own case by being such a whiner:
"Baldino wrote in a statement for police. "Please let me go for I am terribly sorry!!! I'm only a kid! Help me out. I just want to go home. I am extremely sad now, and I just want to go to bed," he wrote. "Please let me sleep in my own bed tonight."
Waaaa. Sounds like a spoiled kid who was never told "no" by Mom and Dad.
Re:Class 5 felony (Score:3, Funny)
This aint Singapore you know? ^_^
Re:Class 5 felony (Score:3, Informative)
A Class 5 is pretty much low-end stuff, few years in jail, a fine and the ruin of your reputation. (Good luck getting a high paying job)
Re:People like him (Score:5, Insightful)
Lest there be any doubt, I agree with you completely.
It is idiots like him who give the likes of the RIAA their pull with Congress and other lawmakers.
Salt & Vinegar iPod (Score:5, Funny)
What's wrong with people? (Score:4, Insightful)
Personally, I would have been honest.
Re:What's wrong with people? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:What's wrong with people? - Lack of Preschool (Score:5, Informative)
Apparently not. The submitter's statement was -- to paraphrase in order to highlight the hypothetical even more blatently:
Had I been in this kid's shoes, I would have committed the same crime in a different way which would have resulted in a higher probability of not getting caught.
I replied that had I been in his shoes, I would have not committed a crime at all -- an additional hypothetical.
There were a few hypotheticals in there, you missed at least one. Back to kindergarden for you!
Re:What's wrong with people? - Lack of Preschool (Score:4, Insightful)
Had I been in this kid's shoes, and I had already decided to commit this crime, here's how I would go about doing it
I'm not sure why that's not exceedingly obvious.
Re:What's wrong with people? (Score:4, Insightful)
You may have noticed from the article that the perpetrator got caught -- something that will happen to almost everyone who habitually engages in criminal behaviour, sooner or later. In this case, the whole escapade will probably end up costing the guy thousands of pounds over the course of his life time, because his reputation is ruined and he will have a much harder time getting a decent job. So he's actually going to pay "thousands of pounds more than he would have had to", all for an iPod that he doesn't even get to keep. I think Einstein could have figured that out in advance.
Why is it that naive, idealistic comments get modded up, but harsh realistic comments get modded down?
Stupid comments get modded down. Being "harsh" and (allegedly) "realistic" does not guarantee that a comment is not also stupid.
Some people are just plain stupid (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Some people are just plain stupid (Score:3, Interesting)
You're right about not caring! (Score:5, Interesting)
You're right about the clerk just not caring. And I'm sure you'll agree that it's Target's fault.
About eight years ago I was with a friend when she bought a $2,800 Macintosh from CompUSA for $1,400. Somehow, the computer running pricing had gotten misprogrammed, and as a result, all Macintosh models -- from the lowly entry-level desktop, to the top-of-the-line tower model -- were given the same sale price.
I was with my friend helping her pick out a computer. She was going to get the entry-level model, but on a whim asked how much the tower was selling for. When the clerk told us, I asked him to double check, because I knew that towers (at the time) started at $1,900. As we both bent down to check the SKU, I saw that this was the top-of-the-line model. He confirmed that it was selling for $1,300. I recommended to my friend that she purchase it.
If this were a mom and pop shop, I would have put a stop to the problem right then and there. But, you know what? I figured this is the cost of doing business the way these big shops do it. They hire kids, pay them peanuts, give them little or no training, and basically tell them, "Don't think! Just do what the computer tells you to do." If that's how you put together your sales force, then you'll have to eat these losses when they come along.
The sick thing is, the accountants at CompUSA probably had it all figured out -- staff compensation versus shrinkage -- and decided they'd make more money this way.
I'm not advocating stealing, but I shed no tears for these stores when their employees pay so little attention.
Re:Some people are just plain stupid (Score:3, Interesting)
Working at a small retail shop, I'd have to disagree with that. Even being a small store with a small showroom, we do not do inventory more than once every 2 weeks - usually once a month. I can't imagine a
Re:Some people are just plain stupid (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Some people are just plain stupid (Score:5, Informative)
Quite frankly, I am baffled as to how this person could have managed to place a fake barcode on the IPod itself. For starters, the barcode on the IPod is a very slim one burried beside two other barcodes - the serial and one other one which I can't remember. When an IPod is taken out of the lock cases, they are either paid for at the department's registers or they are taken up to the front lanes and placed in a special location. The cashiers, or at the very least, the GSTL should have kept an eye on this IPod and whatever was left up there. The only way I can imagine this could be done is if the person asked for the IPod to be taken up front, managed to grab it without anyone noticing, placed the fake barcode on the device, then put it back and went to stand in one of the lane's lines to have the unfortunate cashier grab it and ring it up. But at this time of the year, my old store (and myself) would have made it a rule by now not to bring any locked merchandise up to the checklanes and force the guests to pay for it back in the department or hold on to it in a locked drawer by our "boat" or desk area where the registers are kept until the guest was ready to pay for it. There should have been no way for this person to place a fake barcode on the IPod without a Target Team Member noticing, let alone have it ring up at such a price and not fool the Team Member.
I'm also having a hard time trying to understand how the fake barcode was even detected by the systems. Target uses the DCPIs of the item, a 9 digit department-class-item relationship that looks like xxx-xx-xxxx. They don't use the UPCs; they match them to the DCPIs. All of these are kept in a system database; if you enter one that isn't on that database, it comes up on the registers saying "Item not on file." So he had to have used one that matched up with an existing DCPI at $4.99 which means the item description and even the department/class number should have been totally different from what the standard IPod's barcode comes up with.
I believe whatever Target store this was, their STL, ETL-AP, ETL-HL, and Electonics Team Lead should all be questioned about their neglegance, not just the person who rang it up at that price with a fake barcode and let them get away with it.
Re:Some people are just plain stupid (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Some people are just plain stupid (Score:5, Insightful)
Any well run corporations tends to be very efficient at separating out the mediocre from the exceptional. They pick out the people that are going to be swiping groceries from those who are going to be managers and corporate reps very quickly. Doing something as brain dead as selling an iPod from 5 dollars is a pretty solid way to rightfully convince the company that you are an easily replaced peon.
If you are a foreign immigrant who has a trouble with the language or are just naturally dull, you have my utmost sympathy working for a meat grinder like Target for shit pay and shit benefits for the rest of your life. If you are a reasonable smart person who is just a lazy slacker and never bothers trying to move up, I don't think you are in any position to complain about your shit pay.
Re:Some people are just plain stupid (Score:3, Insightful)
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Re:Some people are just plain stupid (Score:3, Interesting)
Then, take into account tha
Often it's not their place (Score:4, Informative)
I don't know about Target, but maybe it's similar. They may tell cashiers to simply give items to a person for the price that's rung up to avoid problems.
Re:Often it's not their place (Score:4, Informative)
The kicker was that since you paid in advance, you paid for what you ordered -- which might or might not be what you got. Orders were filled by warehousemen working from carbon copies of hand-scrawled forms, and it wasn't the least unusual to pay for a wrench and get a drill press...and if the error went the other way, you could always refuse it.
Something similar would happen with warranty returns...failed tools were exchanged for rebuilt ones, and they were even less accurate at matching those up.
rj
From the article: (Score:5, Funny)
Oh. Well, in that case, off you go.
Re:From the article: (Score:4, Insightful)
Somewhat related: this isn't a new idea, of course. The bar codes make it a little harder, but I'm sure people have been swapping price stickers on items for as long as they've existed. I used to work in retail, and we once had a customer demand that we sell him something valued at $159 but marked with a $69.99 sticker (he'd taken it off something else).
Re:From the article: (Score:3, Insightful)
For a minute, I thought that comment was a joke, until I actually RTFA'd....
Wow. I'd expect this comment from a five year old, but not a 19 year old. Should he know the difference between right and wrong by now?
Oh well, for him. Have fun with Bubba!
Re:From the article: (Score:5, Informative)
The answer lies elsewhere on Slashdot (Score:5, Funny)
They're working on it. It's called RFID. Soon only people with tinfoil hats will be able to shoplift.
Nice attitude, submitter (Score:5, Insightful)
ALL OF YOU ARE WRONG. (Score:3, Funny)
Out in the real world... (Score:4, Insightful)
"I will NEVER EVER DO THIS EVER AGAIN and I am once more terribly sorry," Baldino wrote in a statement for police. "Please let me go for I am terribly sorry!!! I'm only a kid! Help me out. I just want to go home. I did this not knowing of the serious penalty that lies behind it. Please! Please! Please!"
Hey, kid...out in the real world, there are real world consequences. Your mom is not there to pick up the pieces.
The real thieves... (Score:5, Interesting)
I knew a kid who worked at a Best Buy with a bunch of his friends. They all were caught months later running a register scam. They'd ring up a friend who bought maybe 6 CDs, a VCR and a TV. They'd "forget" to scan the TV, and the friend would roll right out with the helper employee (another scammer) and put the TV in a car. They did this for months and finally got caught.
Another scammer I met (who didn't do jail time) used to be in charge of returns. He would check returns for completeness, put it back together, reshrink wrap the item and stick it back on the floor. Oh, he also threw other expensive items in the box. His friend would come, buy the $19.99 big box radio, and walk out with hundreds of items. Since the item was shrink wrapped, no one caught on for months.
I thought of the barcode scan YEARS ago when I found a barcode scanner at a garage sale. This is pre-USB days. I messed with barcodes for weeks, and figured one could print barcodes onto a label and stick it on a box. I never did it (even though I am an anarchocapitalist and anti-government/anti-mercantilism, I would never steal), but I can't believe it took this long for stores to see the problem.
The solution is one-time use barcodes. It isn't as bad as you'd think for the big box stores. When a skid is received, it has two barcodes on the packing list: first code, last code. The employee scans both (say 1111183.17 and 1111183.234) and the system registers all the item codes and the unique codes. If the register scans a duplicate, there's a problem.
The other solution is already in place in Home Depot and grocery stores -- the self checkout. You can't buy an item without weighing it. I believe Best Buy and Circuit City are already starting to work on incorporating scale barcode scanners that weigh the item when they scan it.
I've considered starting a security company for ma-and-pa stores to battle these forms of theft. There are many ways a store can protect itself, but the best way is to have intelligent staff who aren't helping the thieves. Good luck there.
Re:The real thieves... (Score:3, Informative)
Unless you hit "Skip Bagging", that is. Which I always do for _all_ the items because the scales are very screwy. Nobody seems to care. Of course, there is usually a cashier who sees everything you are buying anyway.
Re:The real thieves... (Score:3, Interesting)
On average, the systems were twice to four times as slow as using a cashier and still required one or two people watching four machines, nullifying the cost, time and labor savings. Or I could choose the *one* open cash register that has a long l
Re:The real thieves... (Score:3, Interesting)
My *deli* has unique UPC codes on each sandwich it sells. It's not that hard to implement if you've got the drive to do it. The system easily pays for itself in the increased efficency of the store, and probably helps reduce theft -- you can't pick up your sandiwch until you've paid.
You place your order on a touchscreen kiosk, get a receipt with the UPC printed on it, shop around for your other items, check out and pay, get the receipt stamped PAID, and then pick up your sandwich.
Re:The real thieves... (Score:3, Interesting)
My sis manages a large department store as she is the capitalist of the family.
Every few months, she use to come to me asking if I could burn some videotape to DVD or print out stills. The funniest one was where one of the employees rang up $30 for 3 cart loads of clothing...they kept coming and coming and coming and the assistant manager actually helped the thieves out t
"i just want to go to bed" (Score:4, Funny)
Well if you put it that way, sure, hop right out of jail and into your comfy bed.
Not as smart as they think... (Score:5, Funny)
Dumber than you think. (Score:5, Informative)
The customer might have been ignorant. There are dirt bags who sell "discount" coupons, much like gift checks to the unwary. It sounds like a good deal for everyone, except the vouchers are little more than coppies made with some image manipulation program. The scam is prevalent in college towns with foreign students.
Other pranks have been committed like this without a profit motive. There have been several cases of people making bogus coupons and emailing them as chain spam. Store clerks often take them without knowing any better.
The silly world of coupons, gift cards and other marketing ploys invites this kind of abuse. That's why they are a stupid idea to begin with. An honest price well advertised is a better deal.
Re:Dumber than you think. (Score:3, Interesting)
Reminds me of a nonsense prank my wife did while driving across country. When she went though a town she'd go through a few parking lots and collect flyers from car windshields that were advertising local (non-chain) restaurants. She's save them and put them on cars a few states away.
I love he
Apple are too expensive! (Score:5, Funny)
Dear Slashdot (Score:5, Funny)
We at Target would like to thank all of you for publicize this story, but more importantly helping us stop these scams by turning Barcode Magic's web server into a pile molten metal. As you are all surely aware, a site that allows users to print up barcodes is up to no good and deserve to be "Slashdotted", to use the common parlance of our times. We thank you for your vigilante justice. Consider it as a service to all the shoppers at Target. The prevention of future scams will result in savings passed onto the our shoppers, and not into the pocket of our executives.
Sincerely, Target "Walmart, without all the Lower Class"
Anyone else read the article as a how-to? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Anyone else read the article as a how-to? (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm not sure that's a bad thing. For one, it might help convince retailers to improve their security setup so that this type of exploit is no longer valid. That would prevent a lot of loss; perhaps with more short-term expense than they would have liked.
Also, it's evolution in action: I think everything illegal should be posted on the web with instructions and links to suppliers (who may or may not be in collusion with the authorities!).
Then, when
Re:Anyone else read the article as a how-to? (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, that's right. Because if there is even the slightest chance that information could be used in a manner that breaks a law, then it must be locked up in a deep dark hole somewhere so no one can ever find it or show it to--God forbid--the general public. The "public" will most certainly use the information as soon as possible to break every law they can think of.
Now if you'll
Lord. (Score:5, Insightful)
What a spoiled little punk. He didn't know stealing was against the law? He was old enough to come up with this scam and steal, and now suddenly he's just an innocent kid?
I say they give him the chair.
No, but seriously, the attitude of this kid sickens me. Do the crime, get ready to do the time. At 19, you're a little old to be whining like an adolescent.
Open Source to the Rescue! (Score:4, Interesting)
Here's an implementation [barcodesinc.com] and here's the homepage [mribti.com] for the program.
An interesting aside is that if you have an LCD monitor, you can actually scan the barcode off the screen (at least with an older Symbol RS232 scanner I had).
My experiences at Fry's (Score:5, Interesting)
The only reason I caught him was because I noticed he kept peeling something off of the box, which was suspicious. Apparently, he had f'ed up the first sticker's application, and it was crooked, a dead giveaway.
Too easy to create barcodes (Score:5, Insightful)
If they took it to the extreme that you needed to have a certain font card (a nice DIMM or SIMM) to produce any barcode, it would slow folks down a whole lot. When you have to spend a hundred or two to get the font card, the price for entry will slow down the casual twit.
15 day free trial on that program. That part just cracks me up.
Not at Target! (Score:5, Interesting)
Personally I wouldn't try this at Target at all, mostly because I've seen how the Loss Prevention staff at Target work. My father worked for Target in Loss Prevention and as a company they take it very seriously. I got a chance to go into the security booth and see how it works at Target and... Wow. I went in and looked at all the monitors and said "That's a lot of cameras..." and the guy who was in there laughed and said, "no... This is a lot of cameras" -- and put the entire left-bank of monitors (the control room is rigged for two operators) on sequential scan.
Excepting the interiors of the dressing rooms and restrooms the whole store is pretty much perfectly covered. This was back in '94 when I was in there and my dad was showing me just how cool their shiz was. They had a system which would track a person through the store, switching the monitor from camera to camera to keep them covered. It wasn't perfect, you needed to get them so they were the only moving object in the frame and if they encountered a other people it would pop up the camera numbers for the areas they could go to from there around the borders of the screen. It was confusing to watch because as it shifted from camera to camera 'left' would become 'right' or 'up' but...
The cashiers are watched like -- every cashier has a camera on them, and every scan they make pops up the item number and price. When a card is swiped the card number pops up too. If the same card is used within a given period of time it automatically pops up onto the "suspicious activity" monitor.
The detail view on cashiers was really quite interesting - a series of bar graphs showed how high above/below the averages they were for credit vs cash , store credit vs external credit, dollar amount of sale, and several other indicators. My dad was telling me that because real shoplifting was relatively low cost compared to a clerk participating in a scam they put a lot more effort into finding the crooked clerks.
That's what happens (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't condone fraud by any means, but it's hardly surprising scams like this work (sorta). When you pay people peanuts and demand that they shut their brains off and be good little living robots, they're not likely to notice or care what comes up when they scan an item. In fact, a fair portion of them probably give a silent little cheer if they see the store get ripped off.
Pop-Bottle Returns (Score:5, Informative)
Back in my day... (Score:5, Interesting)
I was shocked when I saw the prices. They were about 1/4 of SRP. You did not get Fenwick rods back then for less than SRP. There were also 4 Plano tackle boxes that I had been admiring in the BassPro catalogue for a couple of years. They too were 1/4 of SRP. A couple of my buddies were with me, and the three of us scrapped to gather enough case on the spot to purchase these items.
I never have found out what the deal was, whether these items were mismarked, or if there was some skullduggery afoot. In any case I've still got both rods though I don't use them so much anymore. I gave the tackle boxes to one of my nephews, and he's still using them.
Frank, one of the above mention friends has always believed that we blinded-sided some tag switcher. His dad was a lawyer and there were some group of people about that time where one person would go into stores and switch tags one day and another would come back a couple of days later and purchase the items. Almost all of the suspected switches were to items that the average store employe would not know about, so the prices that the items were switched to did not draw suspicion. No one was ever arrested, and I don't believe that there was really anyone that was strongly suspected. The only clue that this might have been going on was the some of the store managers were finding items that were 'mismarked' with unusually high frequency. The suspicion was that if the second person got even a little nervous that things were not going well they'd never make the purchase.
I'm, personally, not so sure that this was the case. About 7 months after I purchased the rods and tackle boxes, fishing gear other than hooks, weights, line, and lures disappeared from the store. I'm thinking that the rods and tackle boxes were discounted to get them out of the store. Who knows???
Can I get a Porsche? (Score:4, Funny)
Jesus, an iPod for $4.99! Somebody's an idiot - and I'd say both the kid and whoever actually rang up a sale for this price qualify.
Bartering? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Haha hilarious (Score:3, Interesting)
Office Space (Score:3, Funny)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151804/ [imdb.com]
Re:Haha hilarious (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Haha hilarious (Score:3, Insightful)
You have to love this. You know the little prick was trying to pull tail by bragging about how brilliant he is (as if this hasn't been done for like twenty years). Now he cries like a bitch when he gets caught, and every chick he bragged to is laughing at him crying like a 13 year old girl with a skinned knee [sorry Kev].
Not so clever now, are yah bud!
Re:cause property theft is kewl! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:similar story (Score:3, Interesting)
Ah, here's the story on a very unlikely site. There was a follow up a few days later outlining Police action but I can't find that archived anywhere.
http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1& [iol.co.za]
Re:similar story (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:The remedy is trivial... (Score:3, Informative)
That is already how the system works for most items. The scam then is to replace the barcode on the expensive item with an valid barcode from another, less expensive, item.
Re:I wonder (Score:3, Interesting)