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Artist Suggesting Ways Around Copy Protection

Posted by ScuttleMonkey on Mon Sep 19, 2005 03:05 AM
from the silly-rabbit-artists-dont-own-their-work dept.
fanboyslayer writes "Switchfoot's new album Nothing Is Sound shipped from Sony with copy protection software on the CD, much to the dismay of thousands of iPod-wielding fans. The band posted a response on their official forum apologizing for the protection and detailing ways to circumvent the protection and rip their songs to PC. Switchfoot linked to open-source program CDex's download page with instructions on disabling the autorunning protection and ripping the files to MP3. Many of Switchfoot's fans have been upset by the copy protection measures, and it's nice to know the artists seem to care about the issue."
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  • Nice comment (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 19 2005, @03:11AM (#13594223)
    It's nice to see bands standing up for their public against the wishes of their labels. I can imagine this posting will cause some heated discussions within Sony!

    For those too lazy to RTFA their advice is "press shift when loading the CD", and "if that's too late, burn the music back to CD and rip it again".

    • Re:Nice comment (Score:4, Informative)

      by Rosyna (80334) on Monday September 19 2005, @03:21AM (#13594262)
      (http://www.unsanity.org/)
      I prefer this comment:

      A) If you're a mac user, or you have access to a mac, or you purchased the dual disc, you should have no problems... simply import the songs the same way as you always do.
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      • Re:Nice comment (Score:5, Insightful)

        I prefer this comment:

        A) If you're a mac user, or you have access to a mac, or you purchased the dual disc, you should have no problems... simply import the songs the same way as you always do.

        Not trying to Mac-bash, but having only about 3% of the consumer market share does have it's advantages.

        If the Apple and Windows userbases suddenly became equal, you'd see copy protection for both platforms. Why spend an equal amount of money for copy protection that's only going to affect 3% of your consumers vs 95%?

        That said, the whole DMCA side of this is plain stupid. Microsoft designed Windows (this really *is* a feature :) so that you could bypass pesky autorun software by holding the SHIFT key (or just turning off on a per-drive basis). It's not a secret [microsoft.com]. Maybe Sony should sue Microsoft for not giving them a good way to prohibit users from exercising their fair use rights. That's a Slashdot article I want too see; Microsoft getting sued (yay!) but by Sony because they want strict media access control (boo!).
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        • Re:Nice comment (Score:5, Interesting)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 19 2005, @04:25AM (#13594448)
          Microsoft designed Windows (this really *is* a feature :) so that you could bypass pesky autorun software by holding the SHIFT key (or just turning off on a per-drive basis)

          What's the odds that in Vista, the Autorun feature will be "improved" so that it's more like, "to disable Autorun, hold down SHIFT, unless it's a copy-protected disc in which case it WILL auto-run regardless of any key-presses or registry changes you make"?
          /me paranoid first thing on a Monday morning
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          • Re:Nice comment (Score:5, Funny)

            by ArsenneLupin (766289) on Monday September 19 2005, @04:33AM (#13594469)
            "to disable Autorun, hold down SHIFT, unless it's a copy-protected disc in which case it WILL auto-run regardless of any key-presses or registry changes you make"?

            That would be great! Finally we can again make bluescreen disks which won't be defeated with a trivial press on the shift key, hehe...

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          • Re:Nice comment (Score:4, Informative)

            by lowrydr310 (830514) on Monday September 19 2005, @06:46AM (#13594802)
            Time to switch to linux!!!

            There are a lot of rumors and reports about terrible copy protection in Vista, whether it's this or allowing only 'approved' monitors and the simplest solution is to switch to Linux. Unfortunately I still need Windows, and there's no way my wife would ever consider Linux at the moment so if copy protection gets too bad the best solution is to have a separate Linux box and do the rip/burn there. I can say for certain that I have no need to upgrade to Vista now, but when I do buy a new PC I'm sure it'll be on there.

            My current setup would be a decent linux box, good enough for web browsing, listening to music, and ripping CDs. Then all I would need to do is set up a shared drive on the windows machine that I could access across my home network. Am I right to assume that Linux can read NTFS but not write?

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            • Re:Nice comment by arevos (Score:3) Monday September 19 2005, @07:10AM
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        • Re:Nice comment (Score:5, Informative)

          by Technician (215283) on Monday September 19 2005, @04:59AM (#13594542)
          Maybe Sony should sue Microsoft for not giving them a good way to prohibit users from exercising their fair use rights. That's a Slashdot article I want too see; Microsoft getting sued (yay!) but by Sony because they want strict media access control (boo!).


          You are thinking inside the box. The simple fact is MS doesn't own the Phillips Compact Disk standard. MS is trying to sell a format that they do own. Seen any secure WMA files lately? They simply haven't gotten the labels to bite yet because too many players in cars and such still won't play the format.

          Does anybody know if the CD contains the Compact Disk logo? So far I have avoided the copy protected disks simply by not buying any CD without the Compact Disk logo as registered by Phillips. I wouldn't want any DMCA liability that the band advocates by defeating a protection mechanism.
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          • Re:Nice comment (Score:5, Funny)

            by Pollardito (781263) on Monday September 19 2005, @05:43AM (#13594664)
            Maybe Sony should sue Microsoft for not giving them a good way to prohibit users from exercising their fair use rights.
            they could followup with a lawsuit against the keyboard manufacturers for including not one but two shift keys
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            • Re:Nice comment by Digital Vomit (Score:3) Monday September 19 2005, @08:23AM
          • Re:Nice comment (Score:4, Funny)

            by Tink2000 (524407) on Monday September 19 2005, @06:23AM (#13594755)
            (http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Sunday September 25 2005, @10:11PM)
            Finding that little CD logo is becoming (actually, has become) nearly impossible to do anymore. Out of the last 50 cds I've picked up (read as: not bought) at local shops, nothing released in the last year has had it.

            However, they have all had that cute little FBI logo on them.
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        • Re:Nice comment (Score:5, Insightful)

          by skingers6894 (816110) on Monday September 19 2005, @06:41AM (#13594793)
          That's not a Mac-Bash at all. It's a succinct description of one reason why it's great to be a Mac owner.

          When the Mac Market share hits, say 25%, I'll re-evaluate my platform choice.

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        • Who cares WHY, as long as there IS an advantage? by DavidinAla (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @08:52AM
        • Re:Nice comment (Score:5, Interesting)

          by MyDixieWrecked (548719) on Monday September 19 2005, @09:06AM (#13595493)
          (http://www.sadistech.com/ | Last Journal: Monday June 05 2006, @11:55AM)
          If the Apple and Windows userbases suddenly became equal, you'd see copy protection for both platforms. Why spend an equal amount of money for copy protection that's only going to affect 3% of your consumers vs 95%?

          same idea as spyware.

          i've got a question, though (being as I don't use windows and I've had the opportunity to rip several protected CDs for other people)...

          One of the main problems with windows, in terms of reasons for lack of stability and the like, is that there is so much crap being installed on a regular basis (spyware, adware, and not to mention actual real software), what's to stop all this crap from conflicting and bringing down the system?

          at my job, they just locked down all of the windows computers. Software cannot be installed without an administrator password. hell, you can't even look at the built-in calendar without loggin in as an admin (doubleclick the time in the taskbar).

          how are office peons supposed to listen to music, now?

          this also brings up another issue. Earlier on slashdot, there was an article about the 6 stupidest ideas for security. the author proposed a whitelist for executing software on a machine, rather than a blacklist. Having audio CDs require installation of software just to listen to music completely shatters his idea of keeping a clean system. Suddenly, you go from knowing exactly what you need to run (excel, word, minesweeper, adobe reader, etc) to saying "sonydrmdaemon32.exe? columnbiaprotect_win32.exe... wtf is that crap?"

          I can see it now. in 2 years when nearly every audioCD comes with their own flavour of software DRM, the next wave of security exploits are going to involve that software.

          the future looks pretty dark.
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        • Re:Nice comment by frequnkn (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @09:27AM
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    • Re:How will burning back affect quality? by slashnik (Score:3) Monday September 19 2005, @03:45AM
    • Why don't they tell Sony to sod off? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Morgaine (4316) on Monday September 19 2005, @05:46AM (#13594668)
      It's nice to see bands standing up for their public against the wishes of their labels.

      Yeah, while still taking Sony's money and saying that it is "impossible" to change the system, and therefore supporting its continuation.

      Let's be honest here. They don't WANT to change the system, because they like Sony's cash too much.

      If they were genuine about being pro-fan, there is a hell of a lot that they could do about the situation.

      For a start they could tell Sony to sod off with the copy protection, or they'll go with another publisher. If Sony threatens them with litigation on the basis of the contract signed, then get together with other artists in the same situation and run a class action on the basis of such contracts being in restraint of trade.

      Sony (and other labels) are just distributors and promotors in this day and age when you can have a billion-track studio at home for peanuts, and hire in your mastering experts for a session. Yet, the labels want to own it all, for eternity. Bollocks.

      It's time that bands did something about it, or be branded money-grabbing hypocrits. The power to bring down the system is in their hands. Currently the majority just have no interest in using that power and getting rid of the old machine.
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    • Re:Nice comment by DeafByBeheading (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @06:03AM
      • Re:Nice comment (Score:5, Informative)

        by inquisitor (88155) on Monday September 19 2005, @07:14AM (#13594904)
        (http://thehardsell.wordpress.com/ | Last Journal: Saturday July 03 2004, @08:34PM)
        The Macrovision CDS "copy control" logo should be on the front of the CD as a sticky label and on the back cover printed; it definitely is on all copy-control releases I've ever seen. It's multi-language as well. I certainly will not purchase any CC CD, and advise others against it.

        The good news is that they're becoming less common - I've seen some very unwelcome uses of CDS here in the UK (including a jazz CD) but most new CDs I've seen from EMI/subsidiaries, the biggest users of CDS previously, have been protection-free; and new issues of some of the previously protected CDs, like Blur's Think Tank, have been CP-free. Which is certainly a good thing.

        As for the Switchfoot protection, this is almost certainly the pain-in-the-ass SunnCOMM MediaMax system as seen on a lot of Sony USA albums. It's basically a legal trojan - it will install its Windows service even if you decline the licensing agreement (illegal in the UK under the Computer Misuse Act, which may be why we haven't seen many MediaMax CDs outside the States; they usually turn up as either CDS or unprotected instead.) It may be a good idea not to load the CD as Administrator, as well as turning off autorun.

        Since it's a service, it's removable from the Computer Management services screen and from a hard to find link on he SunnCOMM website, but it has an obscure name - "SbcpHid" according to the CD3 analysis here [princeton.edu], although I suspect they've either changed it now or added a partner (can't find any info to suggest otherwise). Can't someone sue them?
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        • Re:Nice comment (Score:5, Informative)

          by arkanes (521690) <arkanes AT gmail DOT com> on Monday September 19 2005, @07:51AM (#13595068)
          (http://slashdot.org/)
          it will install its Windows service even if you decline the licensing agreement

          This almost certainly falls under various US anti-spyware laws. It *probably* falls under good old 18 USC 1030 [usdoj.gov] as well. The reason why spyware and other trojans don't is the nominal "authorization" of the EULA. If it installs even when you specifically decline that authorization, that should be a violation of law. Granted that the odds of any DA choosing to go after media companies for this is... poor.

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          • Re:Nice comment by TheLetterPsy (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @09:19AM
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      • Re:Nice comment (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Itchy Rich (818896) on Monday September 19 2005, @06:06AM (#13594718)

        They did give up all their principles, if they ever had any, when signing for Sony. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution.

        This is the same logic that Bush used. You're either with us or with the terrorists. It's just fallacy. Empty rhetoric. It just sounds good.

        Sony are not a "problem" they're a symptom. They're a company, created by commerce-based culture. If they go under, another company will form to take their place. Your problem is with the system that created them.

        Also, comparing a bunch of entertainers to mother Theresa and Gandhi is downright laughable, and only serves to reinforce my perception that these guys are some sort of PR hoes.

        Why? They're just human beings in the pubic eye. Look at Bob Geldof. He's an entertainer and he helps people. Just because you have them categorised into neat little boxes doesn't mean they have to conform to your definitions.

        Oh, and good_press != heaven so there goes the rest of your argument. Go get some sleep, fanboy.

        I'm going to ignore your childish insults and explain again.

        You are *assuming* that these musicians are doing this for PR reasons. If they are doing that then, although your label of "karma bitch" might be valid, you have to apply that label in some places you might not expect in order for you critisism to be consistent, and hence for you not to be a hypocrite.

        For example, the Catholic church (amongst many others, I apologise for using the easy target) preaches that if you don't follow their ways you will go to hell. It follows that people become Catholic to avoid going to hell. So, a catholic who performs a charitable act could be said to do so under the threat of hell. The same label of "karma bitch" could be applied, it's just that the reward comes in the afterlife instead of at a celebrity record launch.

        Personally I disagree with your label of "karma bitch". I think that performing charitable acts in your own interests is perfectly acceptable. In fact, think that performing charitable acts is actually usually in your own interests, even if it's only to satisfy your conscience or to appear generous.

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      • Re:Nice comment by AndersOSU (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @07:18AM
      • The Grateful Dead are RIAA members. by MacDork (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @06:15PM
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  • Wow (Score:5, Interesting)

    by rm999 (775449) on Monday September 19 2005, @03:11AM (#13594224)
    Wow, I wonder how Sony will respond to this. After all, bands usually have to give away all their freedom (and their souls) to the record companies when they sign.

    Respect to Switchfoot. Oh, and down with the record companies, who don't give a damn about the artists or their music.
    • Re:Wow by Seumas (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @03:17AM
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        • Re:Wow (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Seumas (6865) on Monday September 19 2005, @04:31AM (#13594463)
          And to play those purchased songs on their ipods, they have to circumvent copyright protection, which is a crime. This has nothing to do with piracy or p2p.
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      • Re:Wow (Score:5, Informative)

        by E8086 (698978) on Monday September 19 2005, @04:45AM (#13594504)
        I've always considered the CD autoplay nothing more than a nuisance and have been disabling it since 1996. Anyone who thinks disabling a unneeded pre-existing windows process is circumventing the DMCA and a criminal act needs to have their head examined. They have their CD autoinstall a piece of restrictive spyware without the users knowledge and then complain when people do something to stop it. I was almost confused by that, then I remembered it's the RIAA we're talking about and the phrase "but that would make sense" doesn't apply.

        I've been too lazy to hold shift so I just disabled autoplay:
        Win95/98/ME get to properties of the drive uncheck auto insert notification
        Win2000/XP run gpedit.msc Administrative Templates - System - Disable Auto play-enabled
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  • NOBODY WANTS IT (Score:5, Insightful)

    by frinkacheese (790787) * on Monday September 19 2005, @03:12AM (#13594227)
    So..

    Artists dont want it.
    Consumers dont want it. ...

    When will they learn? It's such a pain in the ass to get any media, especially DVDs with diff region codes that I am literally FORCED to warez movies to play on my mac. If I buy the DVD, I can not play it (I am in the UK - I want to buy a Region 1 DVD...)

  • Good to see... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by SecureTheNet (915798) on Monday September 19 2005, @03:12AM (#13594229)
    (http://www.securethe.net/)
    that bands at least care about their listeners. Maybe artists can pressure their labels into getting rid of this crap? Now that they've posted instructions on getting around the copy protection, is Sony going to sue them using the DMCA??
  • RIAA Lawsuit Factor (Score:5, Interesting)

    by digital-madman (860873) on Monday September 19 2005, @03:14AM (#13594235)
    Okay folks.. My first thought was: "How cool! At least not all artist's (I'm looking at you metallica) are all about money and not the art". But here's another thought. Most artists only make around $2 profit (I've read that somewhere, sorry I can't source it) per album. The rest of the 15 bucks go to production, marketing, studios, and guess who? The RIAA! So this could be the first case where the RIAA sues AN ARTIST! With all the P2P music trading lawsuits... I think the RIAA has the grounds here. The Artist could be called pirates for detailing how to bypass the DRM. Plus the OSS software is now at risk of a RIAA lawsuit. I'm no lawyer so I may be off base here but I do think the next Slashdot headline will be "RIAA Sues Switchfoot". -Digital Madman
  • I'd never heard of the band.. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by jcr (53032) <jcr@nospAM.idiom.com> on Monday September 19 2005, @03:14AM (#13594236)
    (Last Journal: Sunday November 05 2006, @05:31AM)
    But, once I read TFA, I looked them on the iTMS. Not really my thing, but I hope that they get a lot of sales from this exposure.

    -jcr

  • No Possible way out??? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by inflex (123318) on Monday September 19 2005, @03:16AM (#13594241)
    It is heartbreaking to see our blood, sweat, and tears over the past 2 years blurred by the confusion and frustration surrounding this new technology. It is also unfortunate when bands such as ourselves, Foo Fighters, Coldplay, etc... (just a few of the new releases with copy protection) are the target of this criticism, when there is no possible way to avoid this new industry policy.

    [Bolding mine]

    Not sure about there being "no possible way" - perhaps when it comes time to renew their contract with Sony they'll consider going to alternative solutions. Worse comes to worse, perhaps they won't ever be able to escape Sony but they'll serve as a warning for others.

    If the large corps keep on with this process it'll typically generate a new band of recording studios who don't and thus are seen as somewhat more friendly (though the cycle will probably still go on).
  • DMCA (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 19 2005, @03:16AM (#13594242)

    This is a band from the USA. Unless I'm mistaken, since the record company is usually the copyright holder of the recordings, this is actually a case of a band infringing the DMCA by telling people how to access their own music. Seems like a perfect example of how screwed up the DMCA is. I can only hope that they get sued for it, perhaps then people will realise the extent to which both copyright and the music industry is screwed up.

    • Re:DMCA by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @03:33AM
    • Re:DMCA (Score:5, Insightful)

      by dr_d_19 (206418) on Monday September 19 2005, @03:41AM (#13594334)
      (http://www.pokerroom.com/)
      This is NOT "a perfect example of how screwed up the DMCA is". This is a perfect example of the original copyright holder (Switchfoot) SELLING the copyright of his/hers/their music to another party (Sony). There. You get the money, and you LOSE the control. Simple as that.

      DMCA only involvement in this story is the fact that the band gave instructions on how to circumvent the copy protection. But the discussion about DMCA belongs in another thread.
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      • Re:DMCA by QuantumG (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @04:18AM
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      • Re:DMCA (Score:5, Informative)

        by Boiling_point_ (443831) on Monday September 19 2005, @05:22AM (#13594609)
        (http://slashdot.org/)

        ...You get the money, and you LOSE the control. Simple as that.

        (bold emphasis mine) Except we all know that's not actually the truth. Sony still gets the money, and the copyright. Cue the href to the now-five-years-old Courtney Love [salon.com] article for more information.

        Sadly, unless you're Fugazi, you're not likely to be heard by many people unless you sell out. Something about the world just not being a fair place or some such...

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    • Re:DMCA (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Tezkah (771144) on Monday September 19 2005, @03:46AM (#13594344)
      Sony will have to sue their own employees, since when I voiced my frustrations after buying a CD with copy protection (The Coral - Invisible Invasion), I couldn't put it on my iPod. After giving them my email they sent me this:

      [Windows]

      If you have a PC place the CD into your computer and allow the Sony BMG audio player on the CD to automatically start. If the player software does not automatically start, open your Windows Explorer. Locate and select the drive letter for your CD drive. On the disc you will find either a file named LaunchCD.exe or Autorun.exe. Double-click this file to manually start the player.

      TIP: If your CD does not contain either the LaunchCD.exe or
                      Autorun.exe files, it may not be compatible with this iPod
                      solution. Please reply to this letter for more information.

      Once the Sony BMG player application has been launched and the End User License Agreement has been accepted, you can click the Copy Songs button on the top menu.

      Follow the instructions to copy the secure Windows Media Files (WMA) to your PC. Make a note of where you are copying the songs to, you will need to get to these secure Windows Media Files in the next steps.

      Once the WMA files are on your PC you can open and listen to the songs with Windows Media Player 9.0 or higher (or another fully compatible player that can playback secure WMA files, such as MusicMatch, RealPlayer, and Winamp). You can then burn the songs to a standard Audio CD. Please note that in order to burn the files, you will need to upgrade to, or already have, Windows Media Player 9 or 10.

      Once the standard Audio CD has been created, place this copied CD back into your computer and open iTunes. iTunes can now rip the songs as you would any normal audio CD.

      Please note an easier and more acceptable solution requires cooperation from Apple, who we have already reached out to in hopes of addressing this issue. To help speed this effort, we ask that you use the following link to contact Apple and ask them to provide a solution that would easily allow you to move content from protected CDs into iTunes or onto your iPod rather than having to go through the additional steps above:

            http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipod.html [apple.com]

      Thank you for the opportunity to be of assistance.

      The Sony BMG Online Support Team
      CCKM


      Notice how they try to blame Apple because they only allow customers to rip to crippled (and crappy, IMO) WMA. I eventually just downloaded Exact Audio Copy [google.ca] and it ripped it just fine. Still frustrating.
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    • Re:DMCA by rpdillon (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @09:35AM
  • sigh. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 19 2005, @03:16AM (#13594243)
    How long do you think it'll take for Sony to delete the post? My guess... they'll say "even if you bought the cd, simply trying to extract the songs onto your pc means you're going to send the songs to all your friends" and shut it down within a couple days. I don't understand this logic at all. Apparently (since the RIAA goes after p2p), they don't seem to care about the commercial pirating of music. I wonder what will happen when every music cd has copy protection on it, yet p2p and everything else (insert bittorrent jokes) thrive. The only thing this copy protection does is piss off people who legitimately bought the cd... it does absolutely NOTHING to stop piracy. sigh
    • Re:sigh. by Loconut1389 (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @03:33AM
      • Re:sigh. by Loconut1389 (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @03:42AM
        • Re:sigh. by QuantumG (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @04:32AM
          • Re:sigh. by ettlz (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @04:43AM
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          • Re:sigh. by Loconut1389 (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @07:33AM
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          • Re:sigh. by lidocaineus (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @04:28PM
      • Re:sigh. by Eric604 (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @04:01AM
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    • SONY Gives the same info for XCP by wordisms (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @07:30AM
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  • Evil? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by KingOfGod (884633) <ldrada.gmail@com> on Monday September 19 2005, @03:18AM (#13594249)
    (http://alive.dienub.org/)
    So, let me get this straight.
    The record labels ARE the bad guys, and the band themselves probably didnt have a say when their record label decided that the CD should have copy protection, right?
    The artists did realize that by putting copyright-protection on their CD, the piracy of their CD would increase, and not decrease - like the record company propagates - because everyone wants to listen to their music not just on their CD player, but also on their mp3 player, car stereo, and whatnot, right?

    I really salute these guys for doing that they did, by putting out these instructions. It doesnt even matter to me that this smells a bit like a PR stunt - The thing that matters is that maybe more artists will follow this example, and soon "UNPROTECTED AUDIO-CD" will be a treat, just like "Limited Edition" is today.
    • Re:Evil? by MoogMan (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @04:24AM
  • The bottom line of DRM (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rolfwind (528248) on Monday September 19 2005, @03:18AM (#13594251)
    Has always been that your fans pay with extra inconvenience and the pirates-that-be will get around it with ease.

    Companies should learn that all it takes is one copy cracked for it to be out there.

    But then I see the upcoming standard for Blu-ray, etcetera - and I suppose making the paying customers pay is the point. I mean, it's wonderful for the bottom line when you can sell the same person a movie on VHS, and then on region hobbled DVD, and then entice them with a HD version on Blu-ray. And the incentive is even greater for Joe Consumer once they can't back up their stuff or transfer it to other formats.

    I'm glad for corporate thinking - because of this whereas I used to buy 25 CDs a year from mainstream RIAA companies, I buy 1-2 now. I don't download music but I simply don't care anymore. My money has moved onto other interests......
  • Nice try, but (Score:3, Insightful)

    by inkfox (580440) on Monday September 19 2005, @03:19AM (#13594253)
    (http://www.wilwheaton.org/)
    If they really cared, they wouldn't be signed to a shit-ass major label in the first place. They can't have their street cred indie underground image and swing for the major league cocksuckers at the same time.
    • Re:Nice try, but (Score:4, Interesting)

      by bnitsua (72438) on Monday September 19 2005, @03:49AM (#13594355)
      they're a "christian" band, not indie. which, for some reason, only adds humor to the situation for me...
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      • Re:Nice try, but by QuantumG (Score:3) Monday September 19 2005, @04:22AM
      • Re:Nice try, but by ElBeano (Score:3) Monday September 19 2005, @07:10AM
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      • Actually by idonthack (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @01:13PM
      • Re:Nice try, but by vanka (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @09:29PM
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    • Re:Nice try, but by Anpheus (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @07:04AM
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  • Respect (Score:5, Informative)

    by Spy Handler (822350) on Monday September 19 2005, @03:20AM (#13594258)
    (http://www.woohp.org/ | Last Journal: Wednesday September 07 2005, @12:59AM)
    This fellow seems quite intelligent and able to express himself in writing. I wonder if he wrote that or if his publicist did it for him. I've had this idea that rockers are spaced-out potheads. Well at any rate, he has my respect.

    "Hello friends,

    my heart is heavy with this whole copy-protection thing. Many PC users have posted problems that they have had importing the new songs (regular disc only, not the dual disc) into programs such as Itunes. Let me first say that as a musician AND as a music fan, I agree with the frustration that has been expressed. We were horrified when we first heard about the new copy-protection policy that is being implemented by most major labels, including Sony (ours), and immediately looked into all of our options for removing this from our new album. Unfortunately, this is the new policy for all new major releases from these record companies. It is heartbreaking to see our blood, sweat, and tears over the past 2 years blurred by the confusion and frustration surrounding this new technology. It is also unfortunate when bands such as ourselves, Foo Fighters, Coldplay, etc... (just a few of the new releases with copy protection) are the target of this criticism, when there is no possible way to avoid this new industry policy.

    For mac users these songs should import seamlessly. We are told that itunes is coming out with a new version for PC users in early November that will be compatible with all of these new CD's but in the meantime it's frustrating for all of us. That said, there are a number of solutions (as is always the case with these types of things) for importing the CD into your itunes and ipod. We have compiled some of the easier ways below. I feel like as a band and as listeners, we've all been through a lot together over the past ten years, and we refuse to allow corporate policy to taint the family we've developed together. We deeply regret that there exists the need for any of our listeners to spend more than 30 seconds importing our music, but we're asking as friends and partners in this journey together to spend the extra 10 minutes that it takes to import these songs, which we think you'll agree to be our finest collection of songs yet. As a band, we've always been known for having the best fans in the world and I know that will continue for years to come. A month from now, I hope to be singing these songs together at a show, and the extra time spent importing the music will perhaps be forgotten, or at least forgiven. Thank you for your understanding and the continued kindness that you have always shown for five dreamers from San Diego, we love you guys,

    -tim foreman
    "
    • Re:Respect (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Karyyk (910994) on Monday September 19 2005, @03:33AM (#13594305)
      (http://www.staticgamer.com/)
      As a long-time fan of Switchfoot (when they were a 3-piece band and doing some rather creative, but still cheesy videos for the Christian music scene), I'm fairly sure he did. The Foremans (Tim and his brother Jon) are a few cuts above the average rockers out there, and a bit deeper as well. They're also one of those bands who will stick around a venue for a while afterwards getting to know their fans, and to this point, have yet to let stardom cloud their eyes about what's really important, the fans. They'll stick by their guns on this one.
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      • Re:Respect by nicktripp (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @07:36AM
        • Re:Respect by microwave_EE (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @03:00PM
    • Re:Respect by Mnemia (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @03:49AM
    • You mean... by emkman (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @04:32AM
      • Re:You mean... by LittleBigLui (Score:3) Monday September 19 2005, @08:07AM
      • Re:You mean... by dave1212 (Score:2) Tuesday September 20 2005, @12:55AM
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  • I've been thinking.... by rolfwind (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @03:22AM
  • Add Tristan Prettyman to the list by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @03:24AM
  • One up for Linux and Alt OSes!!! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by NiteRiderXP (750309) on Monday September 19 2005, @03:35AM (#13594317)
    It's funny cause the copy protection seems to only effect Windows. If you have Linux, Mac, or any other OS it won't hinder anything. Kind of shows how dumb the music industry is. I am sure it wouldn't be hard to find the service/dll causing the problem and remove it. Somebody should develop Copy Protection Definitions and a program to remove them automatically, kind of like virusscan.
    Nite Rider
    • Re:One up for Linux and Alt OSes!!! by Library Spoff (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @04:02AM
    • Re:One up for Linux and Alt OSes!!! (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Dr_Barnowl (709838) on Monday September 19 2005, @04:30AM (#13594460)
      They're not dumb. They're getting exactly what they want, which is to restrict the fair use rights of the consumer in the pursuit of greater profits ; if they can prevent the average Joe manipulating the music through his computer, they can sell more ringtones (bigger than the singles market now), digital music (especially for your DRM enabled player), and so forth. The argument that it's to prevent piracy is pretty transparent, precisely because of the demographic the technology is targetting. Which is over 90% of the installed user base for the consumer OS market.

      The vast majority of their clientele will have Windows, with the CD-ROM Autorun feature switched on. The fact that the technology does nothing to prevent copying by the tech-savvy demographic indicates that they know that there is nothing they can do to prevent "cracking" of their protection schemes. They would love a universally uncrackable scheme, but they know that such a thing is not achievable. So they have settled for a scheme that nets them more money from a demographic that they can push around, and pointed the finger of blame at "those dirty smelly hacker pirates".

      [ Parent ]
    • Re:One up for Linux and Alt OSes!!! by jcaren (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @04:32AM
    • Re:One up for Linux and Alt OSes!!! by nogginthenog (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @04:37AM
    • Re:One up for Linux and Alt OSes!!! by xouumalperxe (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @07:27AM
    • Re:One up for Linux and Alt OSes!!! by Shaper_pmp (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @07:35AM
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  • Let the artist find the balance by moriya (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @03:38AM
  • Wondering... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Karyyk (910994) on Monday September 19 2005, @03:40AM (#13594332)
    (http://www.staticgamer.com/)
    I wonder how many of the Sony bashers here have paid-for Sony products lying all over their abode? Just thinking out loud. Before this becomes a "Switchfoot sold-out" bashing thread, some of us might want to consider that we've done the same thing. Kudos to Switchfoot, Tim Foreman in particular. I'm sure they're aware that this will bring the Sony hounds on top of them, and they did it anyway. Oh, and if it's that easy to bypass the, ahem, "copy protection," Sony should get back to the corporate drawing board...
    • Re:Wondering... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @06:55AM
      • Re:Wondering... by LinuxOnEveryDesktop (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @07:21AM
      • Re:Wondering... by Quill_28 (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @07:29AM
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  • So, are they any good? by Yusaku Godai (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @03:48AM
    • Re:So, are they any good? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Osty (16825) on Monday September 19 2005, @03:55AM (#13594377)
      (http://www.daishar.com/blog)

      Would it be worth it to me to buy their album as a way of showing my support for their being awesome?

      If only there was a way to register a reason why you're buying something when you buy it. Without that, you'd just be adding to the total number of sales, proving to Sony that consumers don't care about, or even like(!), this copy protection BS.

      My advice? Don't buy the CD. Even if you're a fan, don't buy it. The artists get barely anything from CD sales. Go see them live, or buy their songs off of iTunes or MSN Music or similar (I have no idea if they're listed on any online music service). The very last thing you should do is buy the CD if you want to show support.

      [ Parent ]
    • Re:So, are they any good? by chudgoo (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @09:09AM
      • BS by Vila, Bob (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @11:14AM
    • Re:So, are they any good? by ag-gvts-inc (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @09:40AM
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  • CDs? (Score:5, Informative)

    by NewStarRising (580196) <NSR&maddwarf,co,uk> on Monday September 19 2005, @03:50AM (#13594359)
    (http://www.maddwarf.co.uk/)
    I was under the impression that the CD ISO Standard does not include copy-protection.
    Any small-silver-disk that includes copy-protection could not be labelled as a 'CD', and must have the fact that it has copy-protection notified to the customer.
    Has this changed, or does this type of protection not break the CD Standard?
    • Re:CDs? by Azzmodan (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @03:58AM
      • Re:CDs? by sapone (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @04:40AM
        • Re:CDs? (Score:5, Interesting)

          I sucessfully returned a CD (Kasabian [amazon.com]) to Amazon.co.uk

          My main argument in returning the CD was that the CD attempted to install unknown software onto my pc without my consent when I inserted it, and said software did not come with any way of unistalling - after taking advice from geeky friends, I uninstalled this driver by reverting to the last system restore point.

          Also at the time there was no indication of any copy protection on Amazon's product page.

          If everyone did that, they'd soon get the message.
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        • Re:CDs? by sapone (Score:1) Thursday September 29 2005, @04:25AM
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      • Re:CDs? (Score:4, Informative)

        by Fweeky (41046) <tom.hurst@clara.net> on Monday September 19 2005, @05:33AM (#13594636)
        (http://hur.st/)
        Many CD-DA copy protection schemes like to munge error correction codes which make CD-ROM drives and ripping software very upset, but which most cheapo CD players don't even notice. These definately break the standards, hence many copy protected CD's lacking the CD-DA logo.

        It's just a shame these discs don't have to be clearly labelled by law as not being "real" audio CD's. I basically don't buy CD's any more because it's a crapshoot as to whether you get a real disc or not.
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        • Re:CDs? by advocate_one (Score:3) Monday September 19 2005, @06:50AM
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        • Re:CDs? by slavemowgli (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @09:03AM
    • Re:CDs? by BenjyD (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @04:02AM
    • Re:CDs? by tokul (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @05:16AM
    • Re:CDs? (Score:4, Informative)

      by Zocalo (252965) on Monday September 19 2005, @05:41AM (#13594662)
      (http://www.zocalo.uk.com/)
      That would be the so called "Red Book" specification which defines the audio CD format and certainly does not include copy protection in the spec. Most copy protection schemes out there involve deliberately breaking the Red Book specification by tampering with the data to prevent the audio being copied to PCs etc. Since adherance to the specifications is explicitly required to qualify for the "Compact Disc" logo on the box and disc, this is why you don't see that logo on music CDs as much as you used to. As an aside, simply auto-running an application from a data track, whether to try and "add value" by providing some multimedia content or make a lame attempt at DRM, is within the bounds of the relevant format ("Yellow Book", IIRC).

      All of which, given the title, is going to make it somwehat ironic if Texas' upcoming CD entitled "Red Book" [amazon.co.uk] includes any form of copy protection...

      [ Parent ]
    • Re:CDs? by PhunkySchtuff (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @06:06AM
    • Re:CDs? by nightgrinder (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @10:04AM
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  • Copy protection? by Mr_Silver (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @03:52AM
  • We need better labels by forgoil (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @03:53AM
  • Looks like a Great Test Case for the DMCA by putko (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @03:54AM
  • How stupid are Sony? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by BenjyD (316700) on Monday September 19 2005, @03:58AM (#13594385)
    Something like 90% of my music listening is on my iPod: if I can't rip your music to my iPod in one easy step, I'm not going to buy your album. It's as simple as that.

    I'm sure that is true for a large number of people these days, most of whom are 18-35 with a reasonable disposable income: ie. exactly the kind of people that buy large numbers of CDs. It's amazing how companies can be so incredibly short sighted.
  • Do not buy those CDs or stop whining (Score:4, Insightful)

    by jopet (538074) on Monday September 19 2005, @04:13AM (#13594421)
    (Last Journal: Sunday December 10 2006, @10:25AM)
    As long as there is a market for selling copy protected CDs, companies will do that. If people are dumb enough to let companies impose all those restrictions on them and still buy the crap, complain to the idiots who do that. This is not much different to why you do not get a decent tasting apple in any supermarket: people will buy the nice looking, crappy tasting ones and that is why the do not sell anything else.
  • In general good, but.. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Eivind (15695) <eivindorama@gmail.com> on Monday September 19 2005, @04:21AM (#13594435)
    (http://ekj.vestdata.no/)
    Most of what he writes makes sense and is true, but he is a little bit overeager to put the blame on someone else:

    It is also unfortunate when bands such as ourselves, Foo Fighters, Coldplay, etc... (just a few of the new releases with copy protection) are the target of this criticism, when there is no possible way to avoid this new industry policy.

    This is bull. The artists are the original copyrigth-holder for their work. They choose to license it for publication by some record-company, or not. They are free to set whatever demands they want for this publication. (with the risk that if their demands are too stiff, the record-company will say: "no deal")

    Especially famous, well-selling artists have considerable leverage. If say Madonna (more realistically, her manager or whomever representing her) walks into a record-company and say she'd like to publish her new record with them, but one of the conditions is that it be released in standard CD-format, that the company would refuse to negotiate a contract.

    Artists do have a way of influencing record-companies. It may not be easy, and it may be that not all artists have a lot of negotiation-leverage all the time. But to claim, as he does here, that they have "no possible way" to influence things, is bullshit.

  • not sure i follow by tklive (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @04:27AM
  • If they really cared... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Jekler (626699) on Monday September 19 2005, @04:27AM (#13594451)
    If artists really cared about fans, freedom, etc. they wouldn't ink deals with the devil in the first place. Signing on with a big label isn't the only way to succeed in this world. I don't think they posted instructions like this against the label's wishes. Anything that happens within a label is the result of a marketing pow-wow. Some guy in a suit told them to post the instructions to further their rebel image and make them seem even more cool so they'll sell more albums.

    Wealth, fame, and integrity; pick two.
  • by SageLikeFool (547462) on Monday September 19 2005, @04:27AM (#13594452)
    The following is a list of CD's that I haven't bought in the last few years because (at least here in Canada) they are copy protected CD's.

    Chemical Brothers: The Singles Double CD
    Chemical Brothers: Push the Button
    Fatboy Slim: Palookaville
    K-OS: Joyfull Rebellion
    Massive Attack: 100th Window
    Massive Attack: Danny the Dog Soundtrack
    A Perfect Circle: Emotive
    A Perfect Circle: Thirteen Steps
    Radiohead: Hail to the Theif
    Royksopp: The Understanding

    That is just off the top of my head. There may be more. I know I could probably circumvent the protection with a sharpie, but I prefer to not pay for something that is essentially a broken CD.

    The irony of it is at 15-20 $CDN a disc, the record companies have not only helped me choose to not give them a few hundred bucks but also managed to give me more reason to "pirate" that music all with one idiotic move.

    So what is it they are really trying to protect here? My wallet?

  • artists helping pirates!? by wdwillis (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @04:27AM
  • It's a (Score:3, Insightful)

    by complex17 (783342) on Monday September 19 2005, @04:40AM (#13594490)
    stupid idea anyway. The people buying the CDs are the people doing the RIGHT THING; I would say that only a small minority of those who buy/rip a CD will then bother to upload the songs to others via P2P. More importantly, these 'pirates' are going to get the songs off the CD somehow, regardless of copy protection: all copy protection is doing is putting a mild speed-bump in the way of small-time 'pirates' and pissing off the vast majority of people who are doing the right thing.
    • Re:It's a by melvin22 (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @11:09AM
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  • by 'Tractor' Barry (788340) on Monday September 19 2005, @04:42AM (#13594495)
    (http://www.jollyboyscc.org.uk/)
    Good grief are people STILL allowing autorun on Windows boxes ? Have they learnt nothing from the last ten years ?

    Every single time that anything is allowed to automatically run on Windows (opening email attachments, Word document macros) it's been a source of viruses and other crap. It's a fatally flawed idea.

    So just turn the bloody thing off (Google to find how for your version of Windows) If the CD contains drivers, etc. etc. then the worst you'll have to do is open the disc in Explorer and double click on something yourself. No big deal.

    Then again you could just hold down the shift key when you insert a CD.

    Bah.
  • Publicity? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by gallondr00nk (868673) on Monday September 19 2005, @04:47AM (#13594511)
    Has anyone considered that this announcment could be made with the full cooperation of Sony? The label wins by having "underground" artists who supposedly don't buy into the corporate ethos - angst and pseudo anti-corporatism generates a lot of sales. Anyone worth their salt would find a way to circumvent copy protection this easy anyway, so the label doesn't really lose out.

      The artist gains from having that warm fuzzy feeling of "speaking out", and generating sales of course. They also have a shared voice with their fans, without lifting a finger.

    I'm not saying they don't care, i'm just saying this could easily be a publicity stunt. It's on /., so it has worked to some extent.

    • Re:Publicity? by Dirk the Daring (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @10:56AM
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  • Legality of installing malevolent software? by sapone (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @04:58AM
  • Good on switchfoot, but... by Trogre (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @05:00AM
  • Stupid Copy Protection by vhogemann (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @05:21AM
  • Truth in advertising by LividBlivet (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @06:26AM
  • To all bashing switchfoot for being on Sony: by no reason to be here (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @07:03AM
  • The thing is.... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by CastrTroy (595695) on Monday September 19 2005, @07:42AM (#13595014)
    (http://www.kibbee.ca/)
    The thing is, I've bought a couple CD's with copy protection. Effectiveness of this copy protection is essentially NIL. If you either have CD Autorun disabled, or are using Linux, then you don't even know it's there. Disabling CD autorun is good anyway, why would it want my computer to automatically execute any CD I place in the drive? Basically, all you really need is for 1 person to figure out how to copy the music off the CD, and put it on some P2P network. Then, let the internet do the rest. I wonder if the people paying to put this crap on the CDs are actually aware of how bad it is a stopping piracy, and how good it is at pissing off normal everyday users who just want to copy the music to their mp3 player.
  • How an instruction for Linux by layer3switch (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @07:43AM
  • Don't Buy It by Michael_Burton (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @07:59AM
    • Re:Don't Buy It by MikeBabcock (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @09:14AM
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    • Re:Don't Buy It by What me a Coward (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @10:50AM
  • DRMware Removal by Junior Samples (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @08:06AM
  • Uninstall? by xenobyte (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @08:27AM
  • Conditioning the public by Mysticeti (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @08:35AM
  • Hey, isn't today.... by Metsys (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @08:57AM
  • Wait... by chudgoo (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @09:04AM
  • Also.... by NightEmber79 (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @09:11AM
  • Clears up one thing. by Raven42rac (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @10:15AM
  • by wbren (682133) on Monday September 19 2005, @10:26AM (#13596150)
    (http://unugunu.blogspot.com/)
    You or me? Because no matter how much money Sony has paid Switchfoot for its work, they won't have enough to fend off the RIAA lawyers when they get sued for copyright infringement.

    The best analogy I can come up with is this: A Microsoft exployee working on Windows XP discovers that Windows Genuine Advantage is about to be implemented and posts instructions on how to circumvent it. Microsoft is feeding him and his family, Sony is feeding Switchfoot and its members' families. The Microsoft employee and Switchfoot both gave up rights when they signed their respective contracts.

    As stupid and unjust as it may seem, Switchfoot has set themselves up for a major lawsuit.

    Or.... Maybe it's just a conspiracy.

    1. The RIAA told Switchfoot to post the story so they would get sued.
    2. The RIAA sues Switchfoot to "prove" bypassing DRM is illegal.
    3. Switchfoot's lawyers intentionally do a horrible job presenting their case in exchange for an RIAA pay off, and the RIAA wins.
    4. Precendent now says that bypassing the DRM on these discs is illegal.
    5. People are scared to post instructions on bypassing any form of DRM.
    6. Profit!
  • Cost one sale this weekend by nightsweat (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @10:26AM
  • Dave Matthews Band by morcheeba (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @10:39AM
  • Hmm.. by ProjectzDragN (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @11:13AM
  • Utter Bollocks! by pandrijeczko (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @12:01PM
  • The music industry by dot_borg (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @01:26PM
  • Everyone is missing the obvious point here. by /dev/trash (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @02:08PM
  • Isn't this illegal? by innate (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @03:06PM
  • suing the artist next? by ecumenical_40oz (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @03:08PM
  • it is pronounced: by KillShill (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @04:12PM
  • I will: by spx (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @04:49PM
  • Switchfoot... by skogs (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @05:24PM
  • Free Advertisement by UnkyHerb (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @08:21PM
  • test -- ignore by Boss Sauce (Score:1) Monday September 19 2005, @08:44PM
  • There is a simple solution to copy protection by computergeek1200 (Score:1) Tuesday September 20 2005, @03:57PM
  • Buy and return. by jotaeleemeese (Score:2) Tuesday September 20 2005, @04:21PM
  • Whats the point of putting such protection on your music CDs when all you're going to do is turn around and post a link on your site about how to bypass it.

    RTFA.

    The band had no voice in the matter. Sony is their label and chose to put the protection on the disc, whether the band wanted it on or not. Switchfoot posted the info on bypassing it because it was pissing off a lot of their fans and that's not something most (read: not Metallica) bands want. In addition, they probably wanted to piss off Sony a little bit for abusing the power that labels have come to know and love.
    [ Parent ]
  • Re:Publicity Stunt (Score:4, Insightful)

    by BackInIraq (862952) on Monday September 19 2005, @03:56AM (#13594378)
    If sharing the music was such a big deal, why not just post everything as mp3s? Giving away publicly known information on bypassing copyright protection gives the band more publicity and probably won't increase the amount of avaliable media considering the rampant piracy already occuring.

    Well, while telling users how to circumvent the protection may or may not be a grey area (see DMCA), giving away the MP3's on their site is very much black and white: they (likely) do NOT have the legal right to do this. Their contract with their record company (likely) explicitly forbids it. And they are not worried about their fans' ability to SHARE the music, they just want their fans to be able to LISTEN to their music, on whatever devices they might own. So this would be the best way to help their paying fans make use of the CD's they have purchased. Switchfoot was never trying to give the album away.

    Oh, and while bypassing this protection may be common knowledge on /., there are hordes of people out there who do NOT know how to do this. Imagine for a moment that there is a subset of the human race that does visit the Switchfoot home page, but does not visit Slashdot...perhaps those very people are the ones the band was trying to inform.

    Though of course I'm just guessing.
    [ Parent ]
  • Re:Switchfoot's own fault (Score:4, Insightful)

    by @madeus (24818) <slashdot_24818@mac.com> on Monday September 19 2005, @04:33AM (#13594470)
    Newsflash: directors of publically held companies are legally obliged to put profit before everything else.

    The consequences of this fact and your above stated opinion are that the only faultless way of making money in a band is to self-publish


    That conclusion is incorrect because it presumes that implementing obtrusive 'DRM' (and alienating your user base in the process) is a good way to maximise profit. What evidence is available, not the least of which is the dominance of the iTMS and the iPod and the relative obscurity of competing stores and DRM enabled media players, as well as the overwhelming balance of consumer feedback, would seem to suggest otherwise.

    It is fair to say that Switchfoot bear responsibility if they knew Sony were engaging in this sort of behaviour before they signed (in that they 'did a deal with the devil' and can be expected to bear the consequences of their financial decisions).

    Of course it's entirely possible Switchfoot signed with Sony years ago before this practice became practice became commonplace, but - and it's possible I may be misjudging them, but frankly I doubt it - I rather suspect they would have found the pull of fame and fortune hard to resist and that they would have signed with Sony even if they had been fully aware their music was going to be distributed in this fashion.

    [ Parent ]
  • Re:Another way to circumvent the copy protection.. by Aslan72 (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @07:12AM
  • Re:In A.D. 2005 by omega9 (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @07:38AM
  • Re:Not a good Idea (Score:5, Insightful)

    by omega9 (138280) on Monday September 19 2005, @08:09AM (#13595163)
    (http://mkeadle.org/)
    ** If these aretists - and others - were really so much interested in DRM-free music, why not make an appropriate deal with their label? Did these guys even try to tell their label that they wanted this CD without DRM?

    It's my understanding that Switchfoot originally signed with a smaller label that was later bought by Sony. For a band to sign a contract specificaly stating they do't want DRM no matter who may eventually own their contract would be extremely forward thinking and suprising.

    ** Are the artists prepared to lose sales to piracy or will they demand that their label pays them as promised?

    If the label has promised to pay them then there shouldn't be a demand to follow through, unless they can be declared in violation of their contract by their recent actions. Plus, even if they succomb to a little privacy it might mean they lose a few immediate sales but gain a wider audience, meaning possible larger crowds for concerts.

    ** Before a court, this entire piece is worthless. No judge will let some filesharing kiddies go free because the band itself endorsed DRM circumvention.

    I can see that happening, but it could take a lot. Switchfoot is more of an employee of Sony, and it may be determined thay don't have any authority on how to handle their CDs, i.e. speaking on behalf of their employer. On paper, Sony would be ultimately responsible, but I could see a court understanding that direct instruction from the band gives the appearance of legality.

    ** All this sounds like a cheap marketing move: "Look at us, we are really cool, freedom-loving anti-DRM guys!"

    If it is a marketing move I doubt it's cheap. Details are details but in the end Sony is no fan of p2p or copying in any form. It's tough to imagine they would go through the expense to copy protect discs and then have the bands leak info on how to get around it just to be "cool". It could be a ploy by the band I guess, but they've just opened the door to getting around not only their own album, but evey other Sony album protected in the same way, and Sony can't be happy about that.

    And for the record, though I do appreciate Switchfoot's recent actions, I'm no fan of their music.
    [ Parent ]
  • Re:Switchfoot's own fault by humina (Score:2) Monday September 19 2005, @02:31PM
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