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FCC: Only We Can Regulate Unlicensed Spectrum
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on Mon Jun 28, 2004 09:05 PM
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from the trump-card dept.
rfc1394 writes "In an article in ComputerWeekly, it was announced that the FCC has ruled that it has final jurisdiction over unlicensed wireless space, meaning that an airport authority can't force airlines to (pay to) use its wireless network and they may set up and use their own. This bodes well for the development of wireless networks in various areas as it means that you have the right to set up your own network even if your landlord would want you to use theirs."
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It's just a codename for red tape... (Score:5, Informative)
"Massport"... sounds like it's a business or something, but it's just a trendy name for the Massachusetts Port Authority, which is just a branch of the state government trying to sound a little more important than they really are.
Re:It's just a codename for red tape... (Score:4, Funny)
It's the FCC's bandwidth, not anybody else's (Score:5, Interesting)
It's the public's. (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://lists.clickers.org/linuxsig/index.html | Last Journal: Friday November 23, @08:40PM)
I'm going to go dance in the street.
Not so Fast (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Not so Fast (Score:4, Informative)
(http://www.cafepress.com/lehk | Last Journal: Wednesday July 25, @12:50AM)
Abolish the FCC? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Abolish the FCC? (Score:5, Informative)
(http://www.express.org/~wrl/)
A Most Excellent decision (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:A Most Excellent decision (Score:5, Interesting)
When the FCC gives bandwidth space to the people, it belongs to the people.
Re:A Most Excellent decision (Score:5, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Thursday April 03 2003, @02:07AM)
Re:A Most Excellent decision (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:A Most Excellent decision (Score:4, Funny)
(Last Journal: Thursday April 28 2005, @06:02PM)
Not active jamming devices, but I doubt that anyone in their right mind would prosecute someone for building a structure with metal walls. One that just happens to be a Faraday cage and blocks all or most radio signals.
Re:A Most Excellent decision (Score:4, Funny)
all your frequencies... (Score:4, Funny)
(http://www.theinform...ess.php?ID=612210104 | Last Journal: Friday April 25 2003, @09:49AM)
Re:all your frequencies... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:all your frequencies... (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://john.daltons.info/)
Freqency division multiplexing (ie. dividing the spectrum into frequency bands) is the old way of doing things. In the 21st century, radio transmission will be done using spatial, frequency and temporal coding (and maybe others).
Using only frequency division multiplexing is like living in a one dimensional world, not realising that the world has at least three dimensions which you can move around in. Correspondingly, in a multidimensional world, it is possible to avoid collisions that would otherwise occur in a one dimensional world. In other words, combining spatial, temporal and frequency coding allows many more users to use the electromagnetic spectrum.
A consequence of such a move is that it is no longer possible to just talk about radio frequencies. It become a more generalised mish-mash involving frequency, time of transmission and location of transmission. Any of these can be used to differentiate a user. A 'code' is a generalised multidimensional version of a frequency.
Welcome flatlanders, to the multidimensional world.
Colleges (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Colleges (Score:5, Informative)
(Last Journal: Friday November 02, @02:49PM)
Yes.
Just as the FCC, some years ago, also banned cities and counties from using zoning laws to ban satellite dishes and other legal radio antennas.
Re:Colleges (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://kingdon.nerdland.org/)
Re:Colleges (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://davecheatham.com/)
At which point people will set up Linux boxes with wifi cards in them, and run them as APs. I'd like to them try to regulate the physical difference between that and a box with a wifi card that's getting on their network. If they're banning all wireless and just selectively enforcing it if you're not on their network, ask them why they're operating a wireless network if no one is allowed to be on it.
And, of course, nothing says the wireless routers have to be on their property, especially when you're talking about Georgia Tech, a college that does not have 'campus' per se, it's intermingled with the city. If they try to ban wireless access points, people will just set them up inside coffeehouses across the street from the dorm.
A very important question to ask them, in front of witnesses, is if they're trying to ban the equipment, student run networks, or just wireless broadcasting. And after they answer 'C', be sure to explain what 'unregulated' means. Watch them backpeddle.
Can Management at an Expo say no to Wi-Fi (Score:5, Interesting)
Can the management of the expo say that you cannot hook up a Wi-Fi router to the network that they have a monopoly over in the convention center?
I do appreciate your optimism... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I do appreciate your optimism... (Score:5, Informative)
Emphasis mine.
You'll find another clause in your lease that goes something like this:
"If any clause of this contract is found to be void by law it does invalidate other legal clauses."
You see, they recognize that terms of your lease might well be legally unenforcable, void, and if they don't have that clause such could be held to void the entire lease.
You are not bound by void clauses, even if you sign them. Your landlord relies on your ingnorance of this fact to get you to follow the terms he wishes.
This statement by the FCC is that any such clause is void because your landlord has no legal authority to so restrict you, even by contract. It is prohibited.
No, I am not a lawyer, but I am a landlord.
KFG
Re:I do appreciate your optimism... (Score:5, Informative)
(http://ben.reser.org/)
There are very few exceptions to this rule. Legitimate safey regulations (which is very narrowly defined), regulations related to the preservation of properties listed on the National Register of Historic places, you can't damage someone elses property with your antenna (drilling holes in a railing or roof you don't own), reasonable size restrictions, and finally it has to be in your own private space, not a common area.
If you take a look at a lot of apartment complexes these days you'll notice a lot of satellite antennas mounted to buckets sitting on decks. This ruling is why. The apartment complexes hate it, they think they're ugly, but there is nothing they can do about it.
Incidentally this same ruling was ammended to apply to fixed wireless, and yes they do mention Internet access. I don't think it's too difficult to say that this existing ruling already preempts any potential contract clause that you're worried about. At a minimum I think it shows how the FCC would end up ruling on the issue.
I can't seem to find this new ruling online yet. But I wouldn't be surprised if it also already dealt with this issue. I would imagine that the airlines lease included some sort of clause like this.
I forget... (Score:5, Funny)
What doesn't the FCC have jurisdiction over? (Score:4, Insightful)
I think the ruling is a good one, but something about the previous sentence bothers me: I don't like the idea that the FCC can decide what it does and does not control. Does anyone see the potential for abuse? *puts on tinfoil hat*
Re:What doesn't the FCC have jurisdiction over? (Score:5, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Friday November 02, @02:49PM)
If you don't like it, take 'em to court. The courts CAN tell 'em they're full of hogwash.
But in this case the courts would almost certainly rule that they are right - that congress DID give them that exclusive regulatory authority, and that the supremacy clause extends that authority over the states and their subdivisions.
A bigger issue than it seems... (Score:2, Interesting)
Hey... (Score:3, Funny)
so what? (Score:1, Informative)
(Last Journal: Tuesday October 05 2004, @03:16PM)
how much does it cost to monitor and enforce the right?
if FCC has not limited the number of access points that one man can have, the landlord can muscle out its tenant's right easily. Just install as many APs as possible.
we need more geeky lawyers... new jobs!!! :-P
It is April first?! (Score:5, Funny)
Cell phone use on airplanes? (Score:5, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Monday April 03 2006, @07:23PM)
What implications does this have for the ubiquitous banning of cell phone use on airplanes (in favor of the much more expensive payphones they have available for passengers who really need to make a call)?
Personally, I've always considered the cell phone ban during flights as nothing short of offensive. Yeah, suuuuure it interferes with their navigation. Hey, guess what, if cell phones interfered with airplane navigation, the very fact that your phone can get a signal (from huge many-megawatt transmitting cell towers) would cause far more problems than the RF output of your sad little portable transmitter (aka "phone").
Any thoughts, from someone who might really know the answer to this? Cell phones now kosher, or no? How about WAPs (ie, networked games between two people with 802.11 on their laptops on the same flight)? How about VOIP, if you can get a signal?
Re:Cell phone use on airplanes? (Score:5, Informative)
(Last Journal: Sunday April 04 2004, @02:20PM)
You know that AirPhone system? That's basically a cell network but with the sites spread far apart so there's no interference. One proposal I've seen is to put a micro-cell on the airplane. It tells everyone's phones to go to a low power mode, which prevents the contact with multiple ground sites, and routes the calls through the AirPhone system those. I'm thinking they would stll charge an arm and a leg for those calls, but that would certainly help minimize the use.
Because beyond the RF issues, the sanity of the other passengers is at stake. People tend to talk loudly to their phones, especially in environments with high background noise - like an airplane. Having a few loud chatty people in an enclosed space with a lot of people trying to read or sleep would be disastrous.
Cellphones DO interfere with avionics. (Score:5, Informative)
The expensive payphones installed into airliners have been engineered and *EXHAUSTIVELY* tested to weed out any interference with the airliner's avionics. That's about half why they're so expensive to use. Of course, greed is the other reason. If the captain of an aircraft doesn't want you to operate electronic toys on board his aircraft, you must respect his wishes, he *is* the boss after all.
I'm a private pilot and own a small single engine airplane. I have both a small GPS system and an older Loran system to augment my navigation. I also carry my cellphone with me everywhere I fly, but I DO turn it off because I've found out that just being on in standby mode, it will noticeably lessen the Loran's ability to lock onto the ground transmitters. The cellphone operates at near microwave frequencies, the Loran operates at about 100KHz, a rather long wavelength. They are at complete opposite ends of the RF spectrum, yet the interference is plainly observable, most likely caused by RF harmonics messing with the sensitive timing in the Loran.
Re:Cellphones DO interfere with avionics. (Score:5, Informative)
From 35,000 feet, line of sight covers most of an entire state. That means the cell network on the ground is going to have a heart attack when it discovers "gaah! I'm getting an identical cell signal in 917 different cell zones! What do I do?!"
Basically, the cell network wasn't designed for airborne transmitters. When the cell network was being designed, it was just beyond anybody's imagination that cell phones would someday be so prevalent and pervasive that you'd have hundreds of them on each and every 747 flight.
Yes, I used to work in telecom. Yes, we actually had to deal with this sort of thing on occasion.
Big government (Score:3, Insightful)
Aye, Here's the Rub (Score:5, Informative)
In short, the Authority controlling the terminal (varies by city/state) wants to control Wireless access to enable 3rd parties to come in (concourse is one of the larger) to sell wireless access with the authority getting profit from the deal.
The Dominating tennant, usually an airline, has quite a bit of say (They're actually responsible for maintaining the facility set forth by the authority), but has been fighting an uphill battle with frequency allocation. In Short, the authority is looking to make money. The dominating tennant is looking for stability. My company operates a 802.11b network throughout a terminal and we were 'assigned' a channel by the dominating tennant. Obviously, I could run on any frequency I choose, but if I did, they'd shutdown my equipment (my antennas are on their roof, in their IDFs, powered by their power, etc.) and prohibit me from operating. They can, kick me out of the terminal if I won't impact them too much (There's a termination for convienence clause in these leases) or, simply over power my network by broadcasting the same SSID and dropping traffic to an VLAN that goes no where.
Yes, the FCC says I have certain rights, but when you choose to co-exist with someone who's ultimately a) paying you and/or b) allowing you to make money, politics plays a huge deal so it's best to work it out peacefully.
Always a gain for WARDRIVING! (Score:2)
(http://www.wifimaps.com/ | Last Journal: Saturday June 19 2004, @09:58PM)
Of course, this just means more fodder for wardriving!
I recall something about CMU (Score:3, Insightful)
(http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Monday January 31 2005, @05:48PM)
citywide networks (Score:4, Insightful)
This statement from the FAQs [usurf.com] could indicate that: It's important to have the involvement of city government in approving this type of deployment
Why? Maybe if the service were free and tax supported, not subscription based. All they really provide is WiMax routers on lamp poles and the 43 Mb/s backhaul. (You supply your own WiFi card/router.) The disruptive technology [pbs.org] that Cringely extolled recently, regarding Linksys/Sveasoft DIY mesh networks, is much preferable.
What Rio Rancho gets out of the deal is subsidized bandwidth for emergency services, which taxes ought to cover. Now government officials have an interest in suppressing DIY mesh networks. And Rio Rancho is being held up as a model for other communities.
The FCC ruling is very much in the spirit of Open Source.
FCC versus private sector (Score:3, Informative)
So landlords could restrict tenants rights, regardless of what the FCC does.
That's interesting... (Score:2)
It wasn't until Reagan deregulated them in terms of commercial length (7 commercial ad time:: 30 air time) such that they could do as they please. Ta-da! infomercials.
Why? (Score:2)
(http://www.matthoppes.org/)
They've said the same thing about big antennas (Score:2)
Amateur radio operators have put up large antennae on their property drawing the ire of homeowner's associations and sometimes finding themselves at odds with municipal ordinances. The FCC basically said they have the final word on this.
Other paid WiFi access (Score:1)
(http://davidgoodwin.net/ | Last Journal: Friday June 06 2003, @11:52AM)
I'm confused.... (Score:1)
(http://home.earthlink.net/~mclaurinbt/)
Nice But.... (Score:1)
(http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~vargasa/)
Re:Yes but... (Score:2)
I'm laughing at you, not with you.