RIAA Files 477 New Filesharing Lawsuits 478
Fallen Kell writes "According to the CNN story, the RIAA has filed another round of lawsuits against filesharers. This round has many college students who are allegedly sharing music on their university networks. Again, the defendants are listed only by their university IP addresses. No lawsuit has gone to trial yet out of the 2,454 litigations started by the RIAA since it began its crackdown."
When will the backlash come? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:When will the backlash come? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:When will the backlash come? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:When will the backlash come? (Score:5, Interesting)
Even worse is that its literally impossible to prove your innocence. Any logs you have can be doctored just as easily as the RIAA can doctor their logs, and most courts are going to be a hell of a lot less likely to believe you. If, OTOH, the Judge places a reasonable burden of evidence on the RIAA, it becomes impossible for them to continue their case. (As was done in Canada, and which the Liberal Party has promised to change if they're re-elected.)
Re:When will the backlash come? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:When will the backlash come? (Score:2)
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Re:When will the backlash come? (Score:5, Funny)
What country are you from?
Re:When will the backlash come? (Score:4, Funny)
What country are you from?
I'd say he's obviously not from the same country as Bill Clinton, Gary Conditt, and OJ Simpson.
Re:When will the backlash come? (Score:4, Insightful)
What he doesn't say, is that if you are opposing the RIAA, and are innocent, you're still likely to lose.
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You want to cops scanning your computer.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:When will the backlash come? (Score:4, Informative)
Whether or not file sharing is legal, moral, or whatnot, I won't support an industry that sues broke college students and 13 year old children. I bought my last piece of RIAA music when they filed the first round of lawsuits.
As anyone trying to be law abiding, it is wrong and unsound to suggest that any segment of the population be exempt from the laws(or exempt from punishment) no matter your personal views on the law. Certainly support fighiting to change the law. But it is dangerous to engender a disrespect for the law. Using hyperbole in an oft use cliche - would you say the same if they were murderers? What about commiting fraud? Identity theft? Where do you draw the line on crimes that are "ok" or "wrong to sue college students over"?
Re:When will the backlash come? (Score:5, Interesting)
So what now? Sue the former employee for a frivolous lawsuit? More legal fees to get what? The guy doesn't have that kind of cash. It's like getting mugged for $100K. They're fsck'd. Mom's working part-time at a doctor's office and Dad is looking for a job.
I hate our current President but the one campaign promise I hoped he'd deliver on is that of tort reform. Don't think that'll happen now though
Re:When will the backlash come? (Score:3, Insightful)
There are downsides to this as well. Let's say you are a file-sharer who fights. You then lose. In addition to the ten gazillion in fines, you will have to pay for the RIAA's legal team - a team not likely comprised of small-town lawyers, but rather, of the Armani Suit species at something like $300/hr times 10 attorneys.
In other words, requiring the loser to pay fe
Re:When will the backlash come? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:When will the backlash come? (Score:3, Interesting)
A woman in West Virginia got 2 million for injuring her back while opening a pickle jar.
How about the lawsuits against fast food companies for making people fat?
A volenteer little league baseball coach was sued by the catchers father because the team didn't qualify for a tournament in Florida.
A high school pitcher is suing Louisville Slugger because he was hit in the head when.......
.......
wa
Re:When will the backlash come? (Score:3, Insightful)
It suprises me that the US hasn't adopted a simmilar system. You do have to wonder when the courts are working for themselves more than for justice or the individual.
I do feel for your parents and their business enterprise; my Father ha
Can't resist feeding the troll (Score:3, Insightful)
No, but it is their fault for exploiting that fact. When they go around crying a river about how some evil pirate has cost them millions of dollars, but then they're willing to "settle" for a tiny fraction of their alleged losses, an amount which just happens to be less than the cost of hiring a lawyer, it's clear that they're just adopting the same tactics as organized crime. You know -- pay for protection because "you never know what could happen to a
Re:When will the backlash come? (Score:2)
When they make a false one. But nobody's been able to show up and claim that yet.
Remember, the burden of proof in a civil case is a whole lot lower than that in a criminal case. "This other situation may have existed." just isn't going to fly without evidence supporting that theory.
Re:When will the backlash come? (Score:5, Interesting)
Here's an idea for a backlash (Score:4, Insightful)
I say we start a petition in PA: unless the parties DO SOMETHING (as in *ENACT LAW*) about the current situation regarding fair use, reverse engineering, infinite copyright extension, etc. our votes are GOING TO A THIRD PARTY. It doesn't matter which one, as long as it's not one of the two major parties. Let's make our message clear: IF YOU WANT TO RETAIN OUR LOYALTY AND HAVE A SHOT AT GETTING THIS STATE, YOU WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS BEFORE ELECTION DAY. I can't think of any greater kick in the political balls than this. The politicians have made it clear they don't care about us, so let's see how they respond to fear.
Re:When will the backlash come? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Uploaders (Score:3, Informative)
They haven't gone after downloaders yet because it's a pain in the ass to sue anyone. So if you're going to do it, you want it to count -- you sue P2P services and shut down millions of people in one blow. You sue
New TV show announced: (Score:5, Funny)
Re:New TV show announced: (Score:3, Funny)
It's more like CSI:RIAA
Re:New TV show announced: (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Song of the piracy apologist (Score:3, Insightful)
"(1) I don't personally believe in copying CDs illegally-- but I think we should avoid using unkind words like "piracy" to describe those that do -- instead, we should describe it as an "infringement", much like a parking infringement."
Well, I do believe in copying CD's. If they're gonna charge me 19.99 for a crappy album that I couldn't listen to beforehand and is 80% filler to buttress the radio hits, if they're gonna charge me $19.99 in spite of the multiple price-fixing they've be
Re:Song of the piracy apologist (Score:3, Insightful)
True, but OTOH, just because copyrights are established doesn't make them a good idea either.
We'd probably be better off if we legalized some infringing behaviors that are currently prohibited.
Note, btw, that the US does something similar in the AHRA.
This is fine for China at the moment, after all, they are screwing US software companies.
Well, I have no qualms with China doing what's good for China. I think the US ought to f
A 437-0 record with 437 wins by knockout... (Score:5, Insightful)
That is to say, nobody's been able to force the RIAA to trial and say that the lawsuit is outright bogus. Some have been sucessful in delay tactics, but everybody facing a trial date settles for their entire life savings rather than risk a bankruptcy-forcing verdict that takes away everything the defendant owns.
The RIAA's lawsuits have thus far been entirely spot-on. They've yet to accuse somebody who "didn't do it". Illegal music filesharers beware... you have a substatial risk of having to pay the piper. Don't do it.
Re:A 437-0 record with 437 wins by knockout... (Score:2)
Re:A 437-0 record with 437 wins by knockout... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:A 437-0 record with 437 wins by knockout... (Score:5, Informative)
They've yet to accuse somebody who "didn't do it".
Not quite accurate: RIAA Withdraws Piracy Lawsuit Against Mac User [macobserver.com]
Re:A 437-0 record with 437 wins by knockout... (Score:3, Informative)
While technically accurate, the observation paints an incomplete picture. There have been a number of cases where the RIAA has backed off, like the woman who didn't even own a computer. So we know the RIAA has been accusing innocent people. The question is, when will the accused "filesharers" who haven't been sharing files (stolen accounts or passwords, identity theft, et cetera) push back with a class-action suit
Re:A 437-0 record with 437 wins by knockout... (Score:2)
Oh Canada (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Oh Canada (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Oh Canada (Score:2)
Re:Oh Canada (Score:2)
Re:Oh Canada (Score:2)
Re:Oh Canada (Score:4, Funny)
Ton front est ceint de fleurons glorieux!
Car ton bras sait porter l'épée,
Il sait porter la croix!
Ton histoire est une épopée
Des plus brillants exploits.
Et ta valeur, de foi trempée,
Protégera nos foyers et nos droits.
Protégera nos foyers et nos droits
Re:Oh Canada (Score:2)
Re:Oh Canada (Score:2)
Since I've moved back to Winnipeg, I haven't had any trouble either, there just isn't a heck of a lot
Re:Oh Canada (Score:2)
None to trial? (Score:4, Interesting)
I wonder if there are any instances of the RIAA saying "oh, well you clearly know your rights and have not done anything illegal, so never mind."
There was that Mac user who was accused of sharing over a P2P that isn't available for Mac...
Re:None to trial? (Score:3, Informative)
"Are we supposed to take it that all of those have been settled (supposedly by paying the RIAA)?"
Most have. A few have been dismissed (the most famous is the grandmother who has a Mac [wired.com]). At least one has countersued [msn.com]. But for the most part they've been paying up.
A good way to avoid being sued by the RIAA is to not dump 1,000 copyrighted songs into your Kazaa share directory. A good rule of thumb is "if you are not sure if you have the right to redistribute something, don't."
Re:None to trial? (Score:5, Interesting)
I have thousands of MP3's, named the same as albums, artists and tracks. They are 3k-4k of random noise. eg: "Madonna - Sympathy for the Devil.mp3"
As was pointed out during the original hearing to release names of users here in Canada, the CIRA had no proof of what was actually in the files that people were sharing. No one downloaded the files, then listened to them. There was no trail of evidence, so it was dismissed.
Share junk - let them download it - maintian CD backups of the originals - maintian download and connection logs - and countersue for racketeering. Get rich quick.
Re:None to trial? (Score:2)
I guess honestly if you play with fire then expect to get punished. I was speeding, got pulled over and got a speeding ticket. Instead of bitching about it I just paid it. I was clearly in the wrong doing almost 20mph over the limit. People sharing hundreds of songs via the Internet is clearly illegal and they should expect consequences if
Re:None to trial? (Score:3, Interesting)
"You're not doing anything "illegal" by downloading, meaning you're not breaking a law. You're infringing on copyright."
The suits are aimed at sharers, those who provide the copyrighted material, not downloaders. While those sharers probably downloaded much of the stuff they're sharing, it's the sharing that's the clear no-no.
The legality of downloading aside, if you are "infringing on copyright" you are indeed breaking the law -- copyright law, in this case. Copyright infringement has both civil an
Fuck! (Score:5, Funny)
How many times do people have to be reminded:
DON'T TAUNT THE FUCKING DYNAMITE MONKEY
Time to scare your friends (Score:5, Funny)
Last time I published this on Slashdot, a few people got fooled so badly they sent me threatening emails. Hee hee... Of course, last time, I didn't get near the top of the postings, so my server didn't get much of a load. I can almost hear the DSL line screaming in protest as I click Submit.
Oddly, I only had to change the date and a couple of numbers. The other headlines on the page still ring true as current: rebuilding Iraq, SCO's salvation, and the flash mob craze.
Re:Time to scare your friends (Score:3, Informative)
I think you're doing a "SELECT MAX(id) FROM database" when writing the link out onto the screen but you can't do that; other records are being inserted before the link is written. But that is just a guess.
I was able to hack the URL to find the one I want to send to a friend, though, so thanks from me.
Re:Time to scare your friends (Score:2)
Puzzled I fired up Internet Exploder and sure enough the URLs give "Invalid Syntax errors".
Apparently that recent patch that blocked URL spoofing disallows all addresses with username:password@domain.
I guess I will have to convince all of my gullible friends to upgrade to firefox before I can trick them.
Permission mask? (Score:5, Funny)
I was trying to figure out what the editors meant by this, so I'm guessing they're talking about file permissions?
4 7 7 = 100 111 111
Owner has read-only
Group has read-write-execute
World has read-write-execute
The implication is clear. RIAA doesn't have execute access to their own lawsuits, so they don't plan on actually following through. However, the World will probably Execute by deleting their files. If not, then the Group (ie the university or corporate network) will Execute the offending User.
I've probably shown how little I understand both this joke *and* *NIX file permissions, all in one post.
Re:Permission mask? (Score:2)
The named person can read-it-and-weep...
There's a massive group with power to execute...
and the rest of the world can gang up too...
I think I might have been one of them... (Score:2, Funny)
I just got this e-mail a few minutes ago with a subject saying that the RIAA is watching me and that I need to buy something called "KaZaA Gold" to get them off my back.
What should I do??? I'm really nervous!
Re:I think I might have been one of them... (Score:2)
They had better win (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:They had better win (Score:2)
Protect your privacy (Score:4, Informative)
This is about to lose meaning. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:This is about to lose meaning. (Score:3, Informative)
"Do you look forward to doing prison time of ANY duration?"
Only the State can put you in prison. Last time I checked, RIAA was not an arm of the US Government.
How many people have actually had a hearing on a RIAA lawsuit?
Who? (Score:3, Informative)
If people are named by their IP address... (Score:3, Funny)
Musings (Score:3, Interesting)
I can't help but wonder if there is a warehouse in Bangalore with rows of tables and computers, and workers trying to download music off the internet.
Re:Musings (Score:2)
Awful principle (Score:2, Insightful)
If you want to do something about it.... (Score:5, Informative)
Doesn't make sense (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Doesn't make sense (Score:3, Insightful)
A) they did it or
B) they dont want to go to the expense of hireing a lawyer to fight it in court. or
C) both
This creates a situation similar to the Direct TV smart card lawsuits where a Extremely rich and pollitically powerful company uses those assets to intimidate and harass common citizens that can't afford to mount a defense. Basically it's extortion.
Support the EFF and hopefully they can put a stop to this kind of harrassment.
Re:Doesn't make sense (Score:3, Interesting)
But there is nothing wrong going on here. And yes, piracy is wrong.
It's all I can do to keep from calling you nasty names.... so I'll just assume you haven't considered that maybe you WOULDN'T fight if you really knew what was happening, and I'll make my point.
If the RIAA sues you, and you were making the files available (UPLOADING people.. they're suing people who are making the files available, not necessarily the ones who download them), then settling would be the smart option, yes.
However, if the R
Kazaa users are the RIAA's candy jars (Score:3, Interesting)
File lawsuits a few hundred at a time and let the checks roll in.
Too bad no one stands to gain financially by fighting back.
Also too bad (correct me if I'm wrong) they choose to sue people who are either quite young or who are quite old.
Have yet to hear of the RIAA sue someone who is say... 30's to 40's, owns a house and can afford some decent attornies.
Considering the age groups I've seen publicised, it makes me wonder just how random the RIAA's Kazaa user sampling really is. Until someone actively stands up and fights back, no precedent shall be set on this.
Sure, the person might loose and have to pay more than they would have if they just settled... guess what we need is a good samaritan to step forth and martyr his/her self.
I don't mind the RIAA getting *something* for the bits that were downloaded for free, what about 0.99$ US per provably non-fair use download plus court costs for their time?
This sue for bags of cash and take a few grand to be "mercifull" crap needs to stop.
Re:Kazaa users are the RIAA's candy jars (Score:2)
I would guess that illegal downloads are weighted heavily into the 18-26 demographic, and this might be the explanation.
I wonder when they'll get ME.. (Score:5, Interesting)
Business 101 (Score:5, Funny)
I would love to see what percentage of these agregious file sharers are sharing new songs or older songs.
Crackdown (Score:2, Funny)
No lawsuit has gone to trial yet out of the 2,454 litigations started by the RIAA since it began its crackdown.
Extra emphasis on the crack.
RIAA (Score:3, Interesting)
Random observations (Score:5, Insightful)
Many/most people today (especially young people), do not view file sharing of music and videos as wrong.
The entertainment industry has done more in the past 50 years to promote a youthful recklessness/lawlessness and a 'fuck the man' attitude. Now that it's turning around and hurting their own profits, they're resorting to strongarm tactics to scare kids into line.
This puts a cloud of fear over my and other's perception of the entertainment industry. Entertainment is supposed to be a light distraction from real life - it's not a requirement like food, clothing, and shelter. As such, I feel like people are being treated like cattle, and are being force-fed 'entertainment'.
The percieved value of music and other types of media is dropping. I personally laugh at the idea of buying a $10-$20 CD anymore - it no longer seems worth it. $1 per mp3/aac/whatever is equally laughable. I'd personally be willing to pay about 10 cents a song (with no DRM). I have no idea if this is even economically feasible. But that still doesn't change what I'm willing to pay.
Re:Random observations (Score:3, Interesting)
Look, I'm just being honest. I'm otherwise a pretty conservative guy (Christian, etc.), but I'm saying that I honestly don't have any internal or moral sense that file-sharing is wrong. I feel somewhat the same about software. The only time morality kicks in is when I'm using s
Wow, we're on a roll today! (Score:3, Funny)
They're sure doing a good job into scaring me... scaring me so much that tonight, I'm gonna be downloading more than normal!
Got Movies? [newzbin.com]
Got Music? [newzbin.com]
I do NOW, and so can you! Aim your middle fingers at them and grin, because this is the best weapon against 'em.
Flea Market Pirates are the Real Crooks. (Score:5, Interesting)
Students: Ask your administrator! (Score:3, Informative)
My Music Library. (Score:3, Interesting)
Intially there was just around 10 gigs I did own, and 15 i didn't. Then i decided not to add more music unless It was stuff i DID own, and I had to take away correspondingly much from the playlist of music i DIDN'T own.
I now have around 15 gigs I do own, and 10 i don't, which has led me to two points.
(1) Why did I do this, was it because the RIAA are scary? Or am i obsessive compulsive?
(2) The playlist for music i don't own is actually now (now that i've stripped it down to the good stuff), a really good shopping list of music i should buy. And i probably will.
So, does the RIAA tactics work? Am i going to buy new music because of these scary law suits?
(really, i want to know!)
Transformative Uses of an MP3 (Score:3, Informative)
For those of you with access to law libraries, look at Kelly v. Arriba Soft Corp., 280 F.3d 934 (9th Cir. 2002). The opinion in Kelly has been reissued, but it has not changed with respect to the discussion on transformative uses.
Unfortunately, I do not have the skills to implement the following idea:
What if someone could take an MP3, parse the audio signal into a series of colors and/or symbols, and reproduce that music as a digital image. For example, maybe using this software would reproduce a Korn song or a New Found Glory song into a landscape, artscape, or colorscape. This would probably constitute a transformative use because the music has been converted into a digital image. The next step would be for someone to write software that would take these digital images and re-interpreting them as music. However, the decoding process should work with any images, less a court find that the decoding software is contributing to copyright infringement. I think one tenant of copyright law is that so long as there are legal, noninfringing uses of the device, then the device is generally legal (e.g., a VCR).
Anyone given any thought to making transformative uses of MP3s? This way, one could distribute an "image" of New Found Glory's "Better Off Dead" without technically committing copyright infringement.
Love to hear your thoughts.
-BB
this has got to stop and this is why.... (Score:3, Interesting)
And another, just because they settle the civil suit doesn't mean smooth sailing from that point on. There's still the risk of a criminal suit if an "anonymous informant" gives the feds the info, in which case, the Recording Industry Ass. of America can and might get some more money. Double jeopardy in their favor (or lack there of).
In essence, you can actually categorize the Recording Industry Ass. of America as a terrorist organization. Webster's dictionary defines terrorism as "the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion." Using a threat of legal action against defenseless, unexpecting individuals with an army of lawyers definitely qualifies as inducing terror as a means to coerce or to extort. Hell, I prefer the mob over the Recording Industry Ass. of America. At least they don't target 12yr-old girls [theregister.co.uk]. That's low; lower than Hamas [myway.com] in some ways. (I won't use Michael Jackson to compare and contrast....as the saying goes "innocent until proven guilty* *-Unless you don't have millions for an army of lawyers") To target kids with lawsuits, the old addage, "taking candy from a baby" comes to mind and it's not right.
At least the RIAA has finally shown its true colors. Wait until they sue someone who died while serving their country (or a person in a coma); there will be hell to pay then. I hope that the politicians (especially those facing re-election) finally set up to the plate and condemn them and start passing more strict (or start enforcing existing) laws that prohibit using lawsuits or the threat of such with the sole intent to settle, which amount to a form of extortion.
Re:Defendants are listed only by their ip address (Score:4, Funny)
Although parking outside of someone's house with a cantenna is far more fun.
Re:Defendants are listed only by their ip address (Score:5, Funny)
Best target: (Score:2)
(And an awexome smiting ensues.)
Do you really think... (Score:2)
Re:Do you really think... (Score:2)
Re:Was it me? (Score:2)
That clause has been enforced a couple of times when someone blamed their computer being infected with a virus for hacking into the email server and sending campus wide e-mails.
Re:Was it me? (Score:2)
Re:Was it me? (Score:2)
They are gambling...if you can call something with odds of about a million to one in their favor gambling.
Re:cosmic slashdot reasoning (Score:2)
Re:cosmic slashdot reasoning (Score:2)
Yes. There could be any number of vectors here.
Re:cosmic slashdot reasoning (Score:2)
Spot on, man!
fwiw, I've stared to try and come up with something new [turnstyle.com]. And here's who I am [turnstyle.com].
Blah.
Re:cosmic slashdot reasoning (Score:4, Insightful)
Here are a few:
1) A lot of slashdotters want to protect their right to use content in a digital manner.
2) A lot of them are also "libertarians" who don't like needless laws or nuisance litigation.
3) A lot of slashdotters are consumate do-it-yourselfers.
4) A lot of slashdotters have a strong sense of online community.
5) A lot of slashdotters have a problem with corporations and think they have too much power in society and government.
6) And a lot of slashdotters "still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea."
Combine 1, 2, 3 and 5 and you might think the RIAA enforcing copyright is a bad idea. Combine 1, 4, 5 and 6 and you might think enforcing the the GPL is a good idea. See? Different folks, different positions, and they aren't necessarily diametric.
Of course, i couldn't care less, as I'm securely in set 7 (likes Macintoshes). Which is a subset of group 6.
Hey Goober? (Score:2)
If it keeps on going like this the RIAA will never go to court but, they will get even richer than they already are. It doesn't sound like they are being too stupid to me.
Re:Why doesn't it just give up now? (Score:2)