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Speaking Out For Free Software In India 406

inode_buddha writes "We all know how RMS and Bill Gates toured India recently, with mostly mixed reviews. The reviews don't seem so mixed after reading this memo regarding the use of software in Indian schools... and it's interesting how quickly these people pick up on the business. IMHO, this letter ranks up there with the Peruvian Congressman's letter to Microsoft in clarity and impact. People worldwide are beginning to wake up, and this needs to be shouted from the (networked) hills... "
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Speaking Out For Free Software In India

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  • Personally, I think opensource is a great alternative for counteries who are not as wealthy as the united state might be. (I mean, when it comes to public services... schools.. and the like) and would be a great way to save on huge licensing fees... and thus help the technological expansion of said foreign country.
    • by Hellkitten ( 574820 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @03:51AM (#4757399)

      Yes, but you seem to hold the misconseption that the US government shouldn't use open source since it has enough money to pay for proprietary software

      I think that no matter how much money the government has it should go for the open source. Having money doesn't justify wasting it. (It's your taxes it comes from after all). Also the money saved could be put to better uses

      • by alia23 ( 223857 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @07:13AM (#4757790)
        I'm not US Citizen but I have some views on that.

        US Goverment has no need to go free source because have the power to have 'special' agreements with MS, in relation with licensing issues and 'special features on MS software'.

        The antimonopoly trial its all a lie. US Goverment is fully interested in keeping MS monopoly as its a global monopoly. If MS was for example German, the trial would have ended other way.

        MS soft on computers all over the world its a very desirable situation from the point of view of US Gov. For sure.

        Furthermore, US Gov can state special agreements regarding obscure features with the purpose of getting all kind of info from users or opening backdoors.

        I have no probe of that but viewing how US gov agencies work... its for sure.

        It's just my point, and from this, thinking about US gov promoting free software its a joke.

  • From the article (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Pxtl ( 151020 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:21AM (#4757125) Homepage

    1.3 Even if the said corporation whose software is chosen provides software free of cost, we submit that the government should not include it in the syllabus. Providing schools or other educational institutions software at little or no cost, while the same software is sold at very high prices in the open market is a marketing trick.

    Its official - India is smarter then the USA.
    • Its official - India is smarter then the USA.

      They're probably better at grammar, too.

    • If you say that, the terrorists win! ;)
    • Its not official (Score:5, Informative)

      by anandsr ( 148302 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @03:10AM (#4757305) Homepage
      This memo is from a User Group, not from a govt.
      official. I don't see how this is in anyway at the
      same level as the Peruvian Senator's memo. Not to
      discount the fact that the memo is written very
      well indeed.

      I am an Indian but these kudos are a bit misplaced.
      I would be really proud if some politician would put
      his name to the memo.
    • by kindofblue ( 308225 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @03:11AM (#4757307)
      Its official - India is smarter then the USA.

      Don't get your hopes up. There's still LOTS of corruption, especially with anything related to the bureacracy, regardless of the good intentions. I'm Indian, born there and raised here since I was 2. Our friends here and relatives there say that if want to help some cause, do it yourself or through a trusted NGO, but not through the government.

      Things are much better now, having improved over the last 2 decades because of business reforms, but there's still a long way to go. So essentially, a company, or any multi-national, could probably still make lot of headway by buying off the right decision makers.

      The primary advantage that OSS has is primarily cost and the fuzzy feel-good mission of it. But they are pragmatists, so if the world wants MSFT, then they will oblige, especially if MSFT can make concessions.

      China has a much better shot of escaping the clutches of MSFT, because they benefit, ironically, from being authoritarian (or whatever they've morphed into today). The Chinese government mandate to pursue OSS is probably more effective than the advocacy or advice of some groups in India. Because in the end, Indian software developers are free to pursue their business interests, just like American ones, so many will engage MSFT because of that.

      But that's just my opinion.

    • Nice one.

      I would extend the para by saying that encouraging people to use software that they can not afford later in life is tantamount to encouraging piracy. This is an argument that everyone must agree with even if it goes against Microsoft's unwritten policy:

      If they use pirated software, make sure that it is our software, then the users that can and must afford the license fees can only draw upon Microsoft expertise.
  • by dagg ( 153577 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:22AM (#4757126) Journal
    Did you guys see this news article about Bill Gates being welcomed to India by a giant condom? No joke!!!
    Unrelated link: Sex Quiz [tilegarden.com].
    • clarification (Score:4, Informative)

      by MORTAR_COMBAT! ( 589963 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:59AM (#4757265)
      The giant condum-balloon was not to make fun of Mr. Bill G. It was to thank him for his millions of dollars of donations to AIDS research, prevention, and education.

      India has 4 million persons infected with HIV, second only to South Africa.

      AIDS will kill more people than cancer in the very, very near future.
      • by flatt ( 513465 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @03:05AM (#4757288) Journal
        And nothing quite says "thank you" like a giant, 8-foot-tall condom.
      • Re:clarification (Score:5, Interesting)

        by zcat_NZ ( 267672 ) <zcat@wired.net.nz> on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @03:18AM (#4757319) Homepage
        and as the register pointed out.. $100 million fighting aids. $423 million fighting Open Source. Thanks Bill.

        When you've got as much money as Bill Gates, giving it away is about the only realistic option.. it's just more money than a person can reasonably spend!

        • Re:clarification (Score:3, Informative)

          by dimator ( 71399 )
          Said article [theregister.co.uk].

          (Don't mod)

        • Re:clarification (Score:5, Interesting)

          by sql*kitten ( 1359 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @05:30AM (#4757585)
          and as the register pointed out.. $100 million fighting aids. $423 million fighting Open Source. Thanks Bill.

          In other news, the people of India today presented the editors and readers of Slashdot with absolutely nothing, in recognition of the donations they haven't made to the treatment of AIDS.

          When Eric Raymond matches Bill Gates dollar for dollar (hell, dollar for thousand dollars, even), then maybe the Open Source community will have grounds to criticize the Gates Foundation, but not before.
      • The giant condum-balloon was not to make fun of Mr. Bill G. It was to thank him for his millions of dollars of donations to AIDS research, prevention, and education.

        Gates later said that looking back he can't remember why he gave India AIDS in the first place.

        (joke blatantly stolen from last weeks SNL)
  • Speculation on laws (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Max Romantschuk ( 132276 ) <max@romantschuk.fi> on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:23AM (#4757132) Homepage
    Currently ther's been a lot of talk about things like the DMCA and other laws which restrict infomation flow in different ways

    This all makes me wonder... could it be possible that countries who are more open source avare and benefit less from proprietary software would introduce laws which restrict the possibilities for proprietary software, just as some laws already restrict open source software in countries which benefit more from proprietary software.

    Thoughts anyone?
    • could it be possible that countries who are more open source avare and benefit less from proprietary software would introduce laws which restrict the possibilities for proprietary software, just as some laws already restrict open source software in countries which benefit more from proprietary software.

      No.. and yes. The simple reason that open source software is about freedom. Its like saying that the countries having military dictatorship stifle democracy, and contries with freedom will stifle military dictatorship. In a nutshell, if the proprietry model licensing model is one of clutches... then it stands to lose, however if the model is less restrictive then of course it will thrive. Their are many proprietry softwares out there which dont tend to lock you up and leave you with no other option.

  • It's sad (Score:3, Insightful)

    by evilviper ( 135110 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:23AM (#4757133) Journal
    Rather sad/ironic that the USA is really the last to embrase Open Source. Hey, it's still not legal to play a DVD.

    You'd think the PC industry would go to bat against hollywood, since actual illegial copying helps then out a great deal.
    • Re:It's sad (Score:5, Interesting)

      by virtigex ( 323685 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @03:00AM (#4757268)
      There's a polarization forming in regards to the US v Rest of the World. This is similar to the polarization in the wireless industry. Both in wireless and desktop software, there is a US-based monolopoly (Microsoft, Qualcomm) versus fairly open standards (Linux, GSM) worldwide. In the US, these monopolies are coddled and protected whereas elsewhere the free market reigns.

      The result is that innovation happens elsewhere and the US remains isolated. The US is correct in believing that the free market fosters innovation and progress, but does not heed its own advice and protects its home-grown industries. It would not suprise me if we don't see non-US technology (cough Symbian) making significant inroads into the US market to a point where tarrifs are introduced on non-US tech.

      The SimPuter is a great example of this. If it's afforable to Indian citizens, I'd be interested to see how appealing it is to US pockets.

  • and whether it competes successfully against Microsoft can really only be fought in these newly technologically maturing countries such as India and China. The war against Microsoft was long ago lost to the US. 95% of all OS are Microsoft in the US. But in China and India there is still a chance that Microsoft will not gain a majority much less a monopoly. Let's work together with these countries to ensure that Microsoft doesn't become a global monopoly and eventually more powerful than the US government!
  • by SystematicPsycho ( 456042 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:26AM (#4757144)
    India has a huge enough population and an already established I.T sector that even if half the population of educated proffesionals support either M$ or open src they're already big winners. The obvious bonus is to get the most behind you. I don't know what RMS is going to do, Gates has already won the popularity contest.
    • wrong (Score:5, Informative)

      by tanveer1979 ( 530624 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @03:06AM (#4757289) Homepage Journal
      Gates 100 Mil. has had little effect on tech industry. The basic mindset of ours goes in against gates ;-).

      Its like this. We indians avoid buying things on credit... and we always try to save and we are very very very cost consious. Not all but most. So as long as people get a free WIN XP from the local computer assembler thats good, if they dont they will not take it. We will chose linux, rather than spending money. As far as IT professionals go we are sick and tired of bribery. Newspapers in india are calling it a bribe. And yes we are watching. There is inherent distrust of M$. So things will go on. Moreover the cream of indian IT students have spent most if not all of their college life(IIT's and REC's here) under *nix based platforms. We grew up in microsoft cursing drunken parties ;-). So the sway will be minimal. Yes Gates has captured hearts but he hasnt captured my heart yet... and this I can say for many other IT professionals also. Life will go on as it is.

      • Re:wrong (Score:3, Insightful)

        I honestly believe that Indians in the large would be behind linux and open src. Most at university are. I just get the feeling that gates will prounce around, use a bit of charm and try buy some strategic ppl/companies off with cutbacks and freebies in a lock down approach. Basically, contaminate the strategic centres and the rest will follow. I don't think it bothers them if nerd A uses linux and so does his friends. What matters to them is money and strategic alliances. When Gates talks the ppl in suits listen. The suits just need to realize the cost vs benefits and that goes for open src too.
    • Do you really think that this is ultimately going to come down to a popularity contest between two figureheads?

      Eventually it's going to come down to the same cost vs benefits tradeoff that people debate about endlessly around here. That's the real issue, not whether Gates or Stallman is more 1337.

      This letter highlights a lot of the key issues going. I think it's interesting to note that the major tech boom of the last twenty or so years came out of the US, where university students had full access to the UNIX source code, where they learned what some of the best developers in the world could put together. Students today who just learn Visual Basic or some such crap aren't going to be the ones changing the tech world in the next twenty years. Countries that realize this and gear their educational programs accordingly will reap the benefits.
  • by glwillia ( 31211 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:27AM (#4757149) Homepage
    It seems that third-world nations, which don't have the option of pouring money down a never-ending sink hole, understand what so many organizations (such as the US military) don't: that free software, in addition to having zero license costs, also has a much lower TCO due to its ability to scale up/down to fit the available hardware, and the ease of management (update all the school's machines? not a problem with rsync, for example)

    The only problem is, India's IT sector seems permanently wedded to Microsoft. However, if the new generation can grow up exposed to BSD and Linux and understand that MS isn't always the best option, then maybe some much-needed competition on the desktop will finally develop on a global scale.
    • misconception (Score:4, Insightful)

      by tanveer1979 ( 530624 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @03:12AM (#4757309) Homepage Journal
      The only problem is, India's IT sector seems permanently wedded to Microsoft. However, if the new generation can grow up exposed to BSD and Linux and understand that MS isn't always the best option, then maybe some much-needed competition on the desktop will finally develop on a global scale.

      No permanent wedding here. Yes there are microsoft lovers and *nix lovers in indian IT. And I dont know for what reason media coverage is goven mostly to MS lovers.... but the ratio is balanced. Companies in CRM, ERM etc are wedded to M$ as their clients in US/Europe are. However go towards IC design, Networking, embedded software the wedding is with *nix... some linux and much solaris.

      As far as the upcoming generation, the top rated colleges have LAN's built on linux. I passed out in '01... and we were fed on a linux and solaris diet. The professors, lecturers.. esp the senior folks are very strong advocates of linux coz in the 80's when ernet(out sorf of college internet) came up it was entirely on unix. 8Kbps of blazing speed and mail could be sent within 24 hours. It was a miracle ;-). So I would not worry too much about it. India has been late in linux no doubt.. but we will soon catch up.

  • my goodness... (Score:2, Informative)

    by TekReggard ( 552826 )
    1.2 We gather that there are nearly 2600 high schools in Kera1a. The scheme envisages that each school should have 10 computers within next three years. Cost of prescribed operating system is approximately Rs. 3500/- per computer. The application software specified in the syllabus costs another Rs. 25,000/- per computer. At the prescribed ratio of 10 computers per school, by the year 2004, this will cost the schools an astounding Rs. 74,10,00,000/- (rupees seventy four crores and ten lakhs) - (Rs. 3,500 + Rs. 25,000 = Rs. 28,500 x 10 computers per school x 2600 schools).

    Being Microsoft and all, this comes as little surprise... but my goodness that sounds like a great deal of money to be spent on operating systems, even if its in rupees and not dollars. Anyone got the conversion for Rupees to Dollars?

  • by IonSwitz ( 609514 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:32AM (#4757169)
    "Swatantryam"

    Quote:
    7.4 We wish to clarify that by the term 'Free Software' used above, we are referring to 'freedom', as in 'swatantryam' - not 'soujanyam'

    You may want to Save Private Ryan, but you'll Swat Ant Ryam.. ;-)
  • by EzInKy ( 115248 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:32AM (#4757170)
    4.1 If our students are to really understand and learn programming and develop software skills, they should learn not only to use computers, but also understand why they function the way they do. This involves learning programing skills. To learn programing, students should have access to source code of the software they use. We trust that you have studied and understood the terms under which the corporation, whose software is currently prescribed for study, licenses its software. It should be emphasised that they do not provide access to source code, which is a a closely guarded secret. By insisting on programs from a particular company, the government is denying our students an opportunity to learn about programs and software development skills. We need not repeat that this policy would not help our community in the long run.

    This is exactly why closed source software should banned from educational use. When studying literature you can see how the author strings the words together to create a novel. There is no better way to understand how something works than to examine how the various pieces come together to form the whole.
    • Yeah I can't tell you how many times I've seen in Operating Systems or Network textbooks the following :

      "Such and such(TCP/IP stack, UDP datagrams,IPCs,Filesystems,process management) is ususally implemented in the operating system and since you can't modify your operating system, here's some crap simulation code!"

      I agree and find it inexcusable to pass up educational opportunities just to maintain the status quo.
    • by zcat_NZ ( 267672 ) <zcat@wired.net.nz> on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @03:32AM (#4757352) Homepage
      ".. the best way to prepare is to write programs, and to study great programs that other people have written. In my case, I went to the garbage cans at the Computer Science Center and I fished out listings of their operating system."

      Hey, you'll never guess who this was from!!!
  • A good one (Score:3, Insightful)

    by The Original Yama ( 454111 ) <lists.sridhar@dhanapala n . c om> on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:32AM (#4757171) Homepage
    this letter ranks up there with the Peruvian Congressman's letter to Microsoft in clarity and impact.
    I think this [schoolnet.na] is another fine piece of work. I'm surprised that Slashdot ignored it (maybe I wasn't looking hard enough). I submitted it as a story, but it was rejected.
  • by krazyninja ( 447747 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:35AM (#4757178)
    The memo could have highlighted more information about software piracy in India, and the fact that assembled PCs have the higher market share than branded ones like HP. In recent times some manufacturers have tried to introduce branded Linux installed boxes as mentioned here by LG electronics [channeltimes.com]. What is needed here is a grassroots change, rather than in isolated cases like in schools, OR in establishments, OR in homes. For children to learn something useful, they should have similar computers at home AND school. Gates has played his card well by using the home-entrenched Windows. Its a tough game for the Linux supporters now.

  • Not the same level (Score:5, Insightful)

    by zandermander ( 563602 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:36AM (#4757182)
    This letter was submitted by an analogue of a LUG; although it would be nice were it otherwise, a LUG has hardly the influence of a Peruvian Senator.

    Still, it's nice to see that someone is fighting the good fight in India.
  • by SgtChaireBourne ( 457691 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:36AM (#4757183) Homepage
    OSS and Free Software give a level of flexibility and choice that is impossible to meet with closed, proprietary solutions. Open standards, especially for data (e.g. word processing, spreadsheets, images) also means lower cost through making migration easier as well as avoiding vendor lock-in. The latter, if taken to extremes, means your own data becomes hostage.

    The memo is about the schools, and learning requires being able to take things apart and see how they work. This is done in biology, literature, history, anthropology, medicine, etc. Even Computer Science / ICT

    So in addition to providing a solid IT / ICT infrastructure, OSS and Free Software play a central, pedagogical role that cannot be fulfilled by closed proprietary solutions.

  • by Zemran ( 3101 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:37AM (#4757188) Homepage Journal
    I love the way they talk about said company without mentioning them by name, the devil is so well known he needs no name.
  • Looks like the most technologically forward nation will be the last to embrace OSS. Then again, it's nice to see a reversal in roles. Usually, it's trends in the US that are absorbed by other nations after having proven themselves here. In this case, it looks like the US is waiting to see how OSS works around the world.
    Then again, you could argue that the US was caught in it's own trap, since in it's eagerness, it has turned a blind eye to the obvious.
    So far, we've seen two good decisions come out of India. This is the third and it is based on sound reasoning. It is also nice to se ethis coming from Kerala - I think just about the only state of India that boasts a 100% literacy rate. It shows the right people are thinking. However, taking things from idea to reality has always been a weakness of any state or national government in India unless they're really committed to the cause.
    I guess it's now just a matter of "wait and see" as to how soon these policies will be implemented. We all know the sooner the better, but try explaining that to a politician while sifting through red tape. Wait. Don't flame me. I'm merely stating a fact. There is a lot of red tape in India.
    However, you always need to start somewhere and it's great to see three decisions along the same lines within a relatively short period of time. Let's hope they're serious about it.
  • by ukryule ( 186826 ) <slashdot@@@yule...org> on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:44AM (#4757212) Homepage
    7.4 We wish to clarify that by the term 'Free Software' used above, we are referring to 'freedom', as in 'swatantryam' - not 'soujanyam'.

    Damn ... I'm tempted to use that in my sig ... "Linux: because it's free as in swatantryam".
    OK - maybe only people from one state in India will understand it, but it still sounds better than 'free as in beer/speech' :-)
    • by jnana ( 519059 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @03:39AM (#4757369) Journal
      It's actually a Sanskrit word, from which the Hindi is taken. 'Sva' means 'self,' and 'tantrya' means 'rule' or 'being ruled by.' Altogether it means something like self-determination, or basically choosing your own destiny. Gandhi popularized the concept in his quest for Indian self-rule (another translation).
      • Invictus (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Tony-A ( 29931 )
        swatantryam

        Something like this?

        William Ernest Henley. 1849-1903

        7. Invictus

        Out of the night that covers me,
        Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
        I thank whatever gods may be
        For my unconquerable soul.

        In the fell clutch of circumstance
        I have not winced nor cried aloud.
        Under the bludgeonings of chance
        My head is bloody, but unbowed.

        Beyond this place of wrath and tears
        Looms but the Horror of the shade,
        And yet the menace of the years
        Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.

        It matters not how strait the gate,
        How charged with punishments the scroll,
        I am the master of my fate:
        I am the captain of my soul.
  • Hooah! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by MoThugz ( 560556 )
    To the detractors: You know, if you hate businesspeople that much; especially those who try to give back; you need to find a country where you don't need that dollar a day in order to survive. Even communist states aren't that simple.

    I am the first to concede that Microsoft got to the top and then started knocking other people off the top by abusing their power. There is probably NO WAY to tell whether or not other powerhouses like Apple and IBM would have done the same -- on the other hand, there may be - Don Imus was talking about a book by a former IBM CEO the other day (but he was also mentioning that it seemed to be written in a vacuum; with no discernible mention of the worldwide sociopoliticeconmical situation at the time period; which is apparently the early 80s).

    It just so happens, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, that Mr. Gates is very very rich. And you know what; even if 98% of what his company does is wrong; getting there was not as wrong as you think. And that man worked hard to get where he is; and deserves an ounce of your respect for that. There are two sides to a coin; and the very fact that he gives back in areas that many others do not or would not donate time or money towards is laudable.

    As far as "the memo" is concerned... you/we/they ARE the competition. Every Pro-Linux gathering has plans to defeat the competition that is Microsoft - or corporate greed or whatever your noble cause du jour is. So do it!

    Give Microsoft competition; give 'closed source' competition; don't just spew mindless immaturities - "Waaaaah, he gots a lollipop and I don't". Remember to ask yourself how you are going to make money giving something away for free - and DAMN you if you make only the first one free because that is the same practice you detest. And before you break out more immaturities; I use them all - Solaris, Windows, Linux - because each one has their uses depending on what or whom I'm working for. If you can get it in front of the multibillion dollar corporation and get them to adopt it as their baseline OS; then that will be my next job. I am less worried about the kind of systems I will be supporting than whether said support position will be funded next year.
    • Frankly Microsoft is not The competition... If they would stick up to their market segments and not playing that song "Windows for all, everyone and everything" everything would be fine. Yes, there would be competition but only in places where Linux and Windows would touch sides. But that competition would be much the same way as the *NIX world competes with each other. With except of some flaming moments, we have some respect for each other. Even Apple doesn't get to such a flamewar like M$, and well, some of their practices are considered much worse than Redmond's.

      The fact that Linux people flame Windows is for two reasons. A very large part of Linuxists are disgruntled ex-Windows developers, users and admins (me one of them), that passed some bad times inside Redmond's camp. The second is people like you who try to justify M$ monopoly as something natural and self-established and play some wordgames about how stupid, immature and silly we are. Frankly, for me you only mirror M$ FUD with a liberal taste that things can be wrong with Redmond.

      Frankly, take a break and think about the fact that you are among a community. There are lots of people here and some of them have been here for more than ten years and may have grandchildren. Just throwing words about Linux supporters immaturities does give a good point to your opinions.

      And besides, apart of that immaturity statements, I sincerly don't like your opinions. You state something I would call "punk business". You state it clear with this:

      And you know what; even if 98% of what his company does is wrong; getting there was not as wrong as you think.

      Yes we live in damn world and everything is shit. But there's a difference between accepting it and fighting for a better world. And that's what OSS community tries to do - to make something better. And here Microsoft is not a concurrent because there are no concurrents in such thing. However, if M$ will continue the FUD it will not get concurrents but flaming despise for being so punk in its standings.

      BTW - BG did work hard to get where he is. But that does not add my ounce of respect to him. I know some details on how he got there and that IMHO doesn't make him any different from certain tricky politicians we know about.
  • by aarondsouza ( 96916 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:48AM (#4757225)
    Current software dominance in India is M$. But what's important to understand is that piracy is also rampant. As a college student studying in Bombay, I never had to pay for a single piece of S/W on my computer although back then (way back then) I was a Windows user.

    Right now the point is that it's still easy to get Windows S/W that's cheap ($0) since it's as simple as going out to the streets and picking up one of the many pirated CDs out there. For the average user, this doesn't give enough incentive to move to an alternative (open source) operating system like Linux or BSD since admittedly these are harder to set up and administrate.

    I have noticed a trend in many of the engineering schools though. Many students have started using Linux and are getting good at introducing fellow classmates to open source operating systems. IMHO there is very little hope for MS to start policing institutions the way they do here in the US. The only way free software and open source ideas will float is by the introduction of these ideas into the curriculum.

  • by MoThugz ( 560556 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:51AM (#4757229) Homepage
    Chapter I: The Importance Of Being In India

    While there are no published numbers, back of the envelope calculations indicate Microsoft's Indian arm currently generates sales in the region of Rs 1,600 crore. That's a little over $330 million. This ties in neatly with the fact that last year, India purchased packaged software worth $409 million - of which 80% were Microsoft products. But, honestly, for a juggernaut sitting on $40 billion in accumulated cash and a projected turnover of $32 billion in fiscal 2003, $409 million is loose change. So what "destiny" is Mistry talking about?

    The fast-talking British citizen of Indian origin has been in the country for barely 10 months now. He heads a team of 17 evangelists, keeps obscenely long hours, lives out of his suitcase and has an awfully tough mandate from Microsoft's headquarters in Redmond - do whatever it takes to keep Indian developers and programmers working on Microsoft platforms.

    Unlike any other director heading operations in the country, Mistry has no revenue targets to meet. "The Indian systems integrator, as he moves up the value chain, will finally make a decision on what platform to settle on. We have to capture them before they make that decision. Which is why, my team is very important for Microsoft Corporation, not just for India alone."

    Intrigued? Don't be. Estimates put the present size of India's developer population at anywhere between 450,000 and 600,000. That's about 10% of the world's developer population. By end-2002, India will probably have more developers than any country in the world. This is why it is important to gain control of this population.

    "We are paranoid someone is going to come along and take away mindshare from developers. We're paranoid something out there is going to be more exciting to developers." Quite clearly, Mistry is talking of the threat Linux poses to Microsoft. Probe him. He'll hark back to January, when he took up his Indian assignment. Among the first things he did was to put two people from his team on Linux forums. They were asked to figure out: what is it that excites the Linux community? Is it plain Microsoft baiting? Is it Bill Gates bashing? Is it a desire to change the world? For Mistry, answers to those questions hold solutions on how to choke the Linux community in India. By doing that, the open source world loses access to one of the largest developer bases. Deprived of that base, the movement suffers and Microsoft gains a major victory. "This is primarily a battle for the hearts and minds," says Mistry.

    Till sometime ago, Microsoft and Mistry didn't have to worry about losing the Indian developer. But with the tech downturn and corporates slashing IT spends, things changed. Public perception that using open source technologies reduce the cost of technology deployments convinced companies across the world to seriously consider cheaper alternatives. Consequently, the number of jobs available for developers working on these technologies went up. To get a sense of that, log on to Monster.com, the world's largest online job board. The number of people needed with expertise in open source technologies is roughly the same as that of those with expertise on Microsoft platforms.

    Now add to this the fact that Indian contribution to the open source community has shot up over the last year. Chennaikavigal, a Chennai-based product company, is working on an Indian office suite designed to work on the Linux platform. In fact, language fonts for Linux are now available for practically every Indian language. There is Delhi-based Kandalya building applications that work on free and open source technologies. Then there's Anjuta, which is a development environment for C and C++ on Linux. There's also the Bangalore-based Peacock Solutions, which calls itself the first Indian company to commercialise supercomputing technology on a Linux platform. Peacock's projects include building Linux parallel supercomputers for high-speed rendering, molecular modelling, weather modelling and bioinformatics solutions. And, the list of converts to Linux keeps growing.

    Flashback to October 1999. Businessworld was talking to a senior Microsoft functionary on the sidelines of a conference on e-commerce. "What do you think of Linux?" Businessworld had then queried. "What's that?" he shot back. Things have certainly changed since then.

    It's the 'roaches-under-the-board theory' at work, says Javed Tapia, director at Red Hat (India), a Linux distributor. Cockroaches multiply because typically they're under a board and no one cares what happens below the board. One day when you lift the board and look, there are a few million of them waiting to get out. By the time you get around to swatting them, most escape. That's pretty much what happened with Linux, chuckles Tapia. "Microsoft ignored us for too long. Thank God for that."

    Chapter II: It's The Money, Honey

    Forget the developer argument for a moment and focus on the economics - a packaged software market currently worth $409 million, of which 80% is controlled by Microsoft. But the legal market is small potatoes. Estimates say for every licensed piece of software Microsoft sells in India, there are eight pirated copies doing the rounds. Which means, in an ideal Indian world, Microsoft would sell software worth a whopping $2.64 billion (that's 8 x $330 million) in India. Add another factoid here. In 2001, when IT spending was being slashed across the world, the packaged software market grew 37% in India. Growth rates are expected to continue at this rate for a few years to come. Those sort of numbers cannot be sneezed away.

    Now take another look at the Indian market. Two-thirds of the packaged software sold in the country is picked up by the government. The rest is largely accounted for by the private corporate sector. Now imagine a world where the government makes a conscious decision to move towards Linux.
    There are precedents. Over two dozen governments in Asia, Europe and Latin America, including China and Germany, are encouraging the use of open source software - the most popular of which is Linux. In Germany, the government argued that moving to Linux would help cut costs and improve security. In an interview to BBC, German interior minister Otto Schilly said: "We are raising computer security by avoiding a monoculture, and we are lowering dependence on a single supplier."

    In Taiwan, the government has announced a National Open Source Plan earlier this year. It aims to establish a software development infrastructure based on free and open source to create a foundation for Taiwan's software industry. It includes the creation of a "Chinese Open Source Software Environment" international cooperation on free application software development, and work with community colleges and non-government organisations to train 9,600 teachers and 120,000 users. Also, the national education system will switch to Open Source.

    That these initiatives are being observed seriously in India is evident from the number of government projects under way on Linux. Like we mentioned earlier, the judiciary, the Central Railways, Air-India, Central Excise, Delhi RTO, various e-governance projects across the country. The list is increasing. It's a battle Microsoft cannot afford to lose.

    Cut to Corporate India. At a recent Hewlett-Packard seminar on solutions for the manufacturing industry, attended by 300 CIOs, almost 60% said they would be moving to Linux-based systems. Kamal Dutta, HP India's country business manager, isn't surprised. "Enterprise customers are evolving strategies for Linux," he says.

    In India, manufacturing and telecom companies are looking at some form of Linux use, though banking firms are staying away at the moment. Explains Dutta: "Banks are conservative." He doesn't expect Linux to completely take over the rest of the market but he says that he can see a "more heterogeneous environment where say core applications like ERP, CRM could run on existing systems while others like VPN, mail, load balancing could be on Linux."

    Hughes Software Systems (HSS) started working on Linux almost seven years back. But in the last 12 months, there has been a spurt in interest. Says HSS' head of engineering: "Telecom OEM (original equipment manufacturers) who make boxes for telecom networks want Linux solutions. It's also becoming popular in the area of embedded applications.''

    To begin with, companies are deploying Linux to the extent of 15-20% of the total applications - mainly in mail servers, RAS, Web servers. And the reasons for going the Linux way is that "it decreases their dependence on the hardware vendor, the companies can negotiate with multiple vendors and hence get better deals, it lowers the total cost of ownership and offers flexibility,'' says Dutta.

    That's not an argument that Microsoft is willing to accept. Argues Sanjay Mathur, head of marketing at Microsoft India: "With fewer dollars to spend on technology, some corporations have been considering Linux. The irony is that choosing Linux may be more expensive in the long run. Emerging data indicates that corporations spend more for additional software, labour and consultant costs when they choose Linux."
    Precisely the reason why a ruthless battle on Indian soil appears inevitable.

    Chapter III: How Ruthless Does It Get!

    WHAT is clear is that Linux has made inroads into the Indian landscape. What isn't clear is: to what extent. Details are hard to come by. As Sandeep Menon, head of IBM's Linux initiative in the country says: "It is not owned or tracked by any one organisation. People simply download the software. Data from International Data Corporation, or IDC (a research firm that tracks IT trends) only shows how many CDs have been sold or how many downloads have been made." The problem with this data is that because Linux's terms of licence allow a user to make as many copies as he needs and distribute them freely, it is impossible to estimate how many copies actually exist.

    The other more significant problem is that those in the know don't like to talk. Menon, for instance, knows of virtually every major Linux project underway in the country. But he doesn't like giving out details. "Strategic reasons," he explains.

    It's much the same thing with Red Hat's Tapia. Now, Red Hat is the largest distributor of Linux in the world. "I can do with little publicity. In fact, I can do with no publicity." The reason, says Tapia, is that he doesn't know how Microsoft will strike back.

    For instance, says a Linux distributor speaking off the record, his company had recently concluded a deal with a large private sector company to implement Linux across the organisation. This was done after the company rejected a Rs 9-crore Microsoft proposal to upgrade its systems. Even as the ink on the deal was drying, Microsoft staged a counter attack by offering to implement the infrastructure for just Rs 2 crore. "And we lost out on what could have been the best lighthouse projects for Linux in the country," rues Tapia.

    Chapter IV: The Chinks in Linux's Armour

    But, for all its strengths, Linux has its own crosses to bear. "It's too early to conclude that Linux will be everywhere," says Srikant Acharya, SCO's (formerly Caldera) country director for India. SCO is among the largest implementors of Linux- and UNIX-based systems worldwide. The feeling is echoed by
    IBM's Menon. He reckons that though Linux will catch on, the chances that it will overthrow Microsoft are thin. "My guess is both will exist." There are various reasons for that.

    The most fundamental problem with Linux is that it is an amorphous entity around which robust business models are yet to evolve. Companies that have built a business around it are still gasping for breath. Take Red Hat. In spite of a 71% marketshare, it reported losses in excess of $140 million. Worse, Red Hat's total revenue is down from fiscal 2001. Now consider the other Linux vendors - SCO, Connectiva, Turbolinux and SuSE. In a bid to achieve greater strength, these vendors came together to create UnitedLinux. Mathur of Microsoft points out that Red Hat and Mandrakesoft refused to join the alliance. "The lack of unity among the Linux vendors offers evidence of continued fracturing," he says.

    The point in all of this is a simple one really. The largest Linux vendors are still trying to gain critical size in their home countries. Given this reality, the incentive they have to push their distribution unitedly in countries like India, where the market is still exploring the operating system, are remote. Over the last couple of months, Microsoft has used these facts to hammer home a key point with clients. That unlike others, Microsoft isn't likely to go down in a rush.

    Lack of Support: Then there is the issue of government policy itself. In spite of the fact that Linux evangelists have been pushing for increased acceptance of the software in India, truth is, until now, no policy documents have been framed. Frederick Noronha, a freelance journalist and Open Source evangelist points out that Goa actually went ahead and gazetted a pro-Open Source/Free Software notification. "But how does one implement this? The departments keep flouting it. The basic flaw is with the tendering process, which can be subverted in 101 ways if the intentions are malafide. Since then, the Goa IT minister (Ramakant Khalap) has defected from the ruling party. The so-called government policy turned out to be a one-man initiative, which has all come back to a big zero."

    Then there is the case of Karnataka. Here, the IT Department supports Open Source on paper. But even as the police force goes in for modernisation, it is being equipped with Windows XP machines. The only exception until now has been Kerala, where the IT policy makes it mandatory for all government departments to first consider free/open source software for all its needs. And only after open source solutions have been exhausted can the government go in for proprietary systems.

    The lack of legislation percolates to other areas too. In education, for instance. Dr Nagarjuna G, a teacher at the Homi Bhabha Science Centre in Mumbai and an active free software evangelist is pained as he flips through the IT syllabi of various colleges in the country. The reason is "a lack of secular IT education loaded almost entirely against free and open source software." What he means is this. In most colleges, teachers are asked to show the students how to use Excel or Word. "Why?" asks Dr Nagarjuna. "Shouldn't students be shown how to use a spreadsheet or a word processing document? What they ultimately choose ought to be up to them. Why should the state make a choice on their behalf?" He's been lobbying to get the discrepancies removed. And he's notched up some successes. But there's a long way to go.

    Misunderstandings: Tapia of Red Hat faces a rather unique problem. While the interest in what he provides is high, most clients are reluctant to pay for the services he offers. The problem stems from the fact that most people imagine Linux is free. They argue that since it can be downloaded from the Internet or purchased from any vendor at a nominal cost, the prices Red Hat quotes are too high.

    But Red Hat's business model, like those of other vendors in the Linux space, is built around a simple assumption. While the basic software itself is free, users will pay for the support vendors provide. It's an argument that has not gone down too well with Indian business. Weaned on a steady diet of Microsoft support that comes with software purchases, the new business model is still making itself understood in most places. "I end up not signing many contracts as clients don't understand they have to pay for support. Where else will my bread and butter come from?" asks Tapia.

    Epilogue

    In the past, numerous contenders have tried and failed to dislodge Windows. But like we said earlier, Linux, has a key advantage. It isn't owned by anyone. To that extent, Microsoft does not know exactly whom to attack.

    Take Asia for instance. Linux, outside of Japan, is being driven by the fact that the continent is less developed than the US or Europe. What this means is that there are fewer computers in the region. Consequently, there are fewer small- and medium-sized enterprises committed to Microsoft products. More importantly, these companies don't have dollars at their disposal of the kind American and European companies have. Which is why, their propensity to acquire Linux is higher.

    Does that mean the future of Microsoft in this part of the world is at stake? Not quite. Sure, Linux has been growing rapidly. But it has, at least until now, been confined to servers. More importantly, this growth is coming in at the expense of older operating systems. By 2006, IDC estimates that 26% of the servers in operation will be running Linux while 56% will still run Windows. The remaining 12% will be on UNIX. As for the desktop market itself, shipment details are hazy. Compaq, Dell and, more recently, LG are shipping Linux machines into the Indian market. Until next year, when clear numbers emerge, it will be difficult to gauge how it is being accepted.

    Then there are questions on whether businesses based on almost-free technology can ever be profitable - a challenge for Linux companies everywhere, but particularly for those in Asia. A recent IDC report says that although worldwide sales of servers of all types will rise 17% annually over the next four years, revenues will inch up only 1%, largely due to the low cost of Linux.

    In Korea, growing competition among Linux distributors have forced prices of a basic Linux package to as low as $10. A Red Hat version that sells for $80 in the US, hawks for less than $3 in China. That's hardly any money worth writing home about. As for business models built around the support and services models, they're still nascent and have some way to go before they mature. It's a long haul - an awfully long haul.

    Additional inputs by Shelley Singh
    • The problem today is that India's programmers, as a resource, are commoditized. They no longer cost 10% of what you would expect to pay in North America, as an example.

      While I believe that Indians are by far the most skilled coders available, the fact that the costs have risen to match other resources, as an example, means India has lost the opportunity it had ten years ago, which was to corner the software development market.

      There are new areas with similar resource avaiable today, and the cost for coders in these countries is again 10% of North America. How will India's programmers perform in tomorrow's market when other sources are ready for pennies on the dollar....all of these conversations should have been held many years ago.
    • Among the first things he did was to put two people from his team on Linux forums.

      I wonder how many such people are now in Linux forums... By the way the flame rose up in /. I guess that they are not a few... Apart of those who clearly and sincerly believe in Windows world, there are a few posters that are too M$ prone and too enthusiastic to be sincere. Just a note to a few of them who are too fanatic to flame everything and everyone. This site was always been an OSS site. And I believe that while OSDN will fund it, it will keep that way. Before FUDding here the community, name them mindless jerks and immature adolescents, note that crying here "you slashdotters" picks you outta the crowd. As here, for 4 years I never heard that people would say "you penguins", "the solarians", "evil BSDs" or "appleworms". Remember that you entered /. so it is quite silly to put yourself outta the group and crying "you slashdotters". And what concerns the yellow journalistics of some /. admins, well we are used to it and we have enough flame for them, apart of your cheap FUD.

      And sincerly to all these Windows fans. Why do you don't take the guts and ask M$ to create a similar site? It would be much better than playing this stupid psychological war inside an OSS forum. I even may suggest a name for it - "Start Button"...
      • And sincerly to all these Windows fans. Why do you don't take the guts and ask M$ to create a similar site? It would be much better than playing this stupid psychological war inside an OSS forum. I even may suggest a name for it - "Start Button"...

        I'd like them to stay. Talking with like-minded people is good for your ego, but talking with people with different views is good for your mind.

  • by deadmantalking ( 187403 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:52AM (#4757235)
    Problem statement:
    People are used to windows. In India, widespread piracy has ensured that Windows is avaiable with almost every grey market PC and in every school/home/office.
    Linux lurks in the background as a potential replacement, but most people are just not comfortable with the idea. Including SysAdmins! I know, cause i have worked in enuf companies to see that.
    The actual trick to popularize Linux is a hack of sorts... complain regularly to the local antipiracy people about illegal usage of Windows in office! IT WORKS!
    A very large company (i shall keep its name to myself, considering my brother works in one of its sister concerns)once had its offices raided by the local antipiracy guys here (called NASSCOM). The same evening, their sysadmin called up the admin guy in my company to ask about the feasiblity of using StarOffice iinstead of MSO.
    As a tech writer, my admin guy decided that i might be the best person to give an unbiased review. It turned out that for their purposes, SO (and OOo)was good enough, so i recommended that they go ahead.
    I have no idea if they actually did, but i hope they did.
    Another important factor to note is that people may be a little wary of using Linux as their OS, but replacing MSO with OOo is a less stressful option for them!
    It might be a good idea for people to start asking for OOo on machines from their vendors. even if it comes with XP or 2k etc.
    It takes away quite a few dollars from MS, which if u have read the reports has only 2 money making divisions with MSO being one of them. A reduced cash flow there (in addition to helping customers get great value for money - a complete office suite for free!) would cause MS to light a fire under the antipiracy guys who would raid more companies looking for illegal copies of that and piss more companies into using OOo which would further reduce the dependence of customer and deplete MSO revenues which would light another fire underthe .... u get the picture.
    its certainly possible in india at least... at least 1 (Zenith) of the 2 big local PC vendors here has no deals with MS and may be open to the idea of bundling OOo. additionally there are a lot of intel authorised dealers (essentially former grey market guys) who provide a lot of the home PCs in the country! now it remains to actually implement all this... :)

  • Gates donations... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by djupedal ( 584558 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:53AM (#4757237)
    Ordinarily, donations from Bill and Linda Gates come from the Gates Foundation, and are made without press releases and public fanfare. This is how it should be. And don't get me going on how generous they are, with MS giving away such small percentages compared to other corporations...

    In the last few weeks, we all saw the headlines about Gates giving India millions to support AIDS groups, and how he intends to invest more to help programmers in India as well. Why was this act a headline, when others are normally done quietly?

    Because Gates is trying to buy MS favor with India using the sick and dead as a pole to tie his promotional flag to. It stinks, and no one but the most stubborn is buying it for a minute.

    ==-==
    Remember, investing in MS is asking to have your own money used against you in the market place.
    • Because Gates is trying to buy MS favor with India using the sick and dead as a pole to tie his promotional flag to. It stinks, and no one but the most stubborn is buying it for a minute.


      It's true that he was very aware that he was getting free advertising by donating this money - but which would you rather have: MS spending those millions running TV ads and on billboards, or using the money on a good cause?

      He may not have 100% selfless motives in this, but that doesn't change the fact that his money is doing good. Think of it as 'ethical advertising'!

      Anyway, of all the dodgy business practises that MS gets up to, do you really think giving to charity rates a mention?
    • by Zathrus ( 232140 )
      And don't get me going on how generous they are, with MS giving away such small percentages compared to other corporations...

      I don't know about MS, but you've managed to confuse and befuddle the distinction between Bill Gates and Microsoft.

      Not to mention that his wife's name is Melissa, not Linda.

      Or that Bill Gates has donated (or pledged to do so) $45.5B of his ~$98B net worth in the past 5 years. [news.com.au]

      What have you done? Anything even remotely like that regarding your net worth? Have you promised to give everything to charity (and not to your wife or children) like Bill has?

      Didn't think so.

      I'm not a Bill Gates fan, but I'm so sick and tired of people attacking the charity work that is being done. It's absolutely sick, and shows just how pathetic zealots can be.
  • by stevezero ( 620090 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:54AM (#4757243)
    I couldn't read that letter without the little voice in my head sounding like Apu was reading it.

    grr...

  • by NFW ( 560362 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:56AM (#4757252) Homepage
    It's also interesting how recently slashdot editors are picking up on the fact that there is significant technical awareness even in countries they've never heard of.
  • by small_dick ( 127697 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:57AM (#4757258)
    The first hit is always free.
  • and read this on /.

    People worldwide are beginning to wake up, and this needs to be shouted from the (networked) hills...

    Whoa. Ok! I will start shouting! More seriously: it is not a religion - nothing to shout from networked hills. Or if it is then it is not. Religions are rather scary because they don't often make decisions based on common sense. Open source just makes sense because of practical reasons for some(many) cases.

    ... I know I will regret posting this after a few cups of coffee.. :)

    • It is not a religion but it has ideologies and conceptions behind it. And not one but many. And it is good that people come out from using computers as commodities and start to use their brains. Computers are brain machines. Much like the hammer is a machine for the hand. While people will use a computer like a bottle of Coke, they only will be simple consumers of their own thinking.
      • Re:I just woke up (Score:3, Insightful)

        by jki ( 624756 )
        And it is good that people come out from using computers as commodities and start to use their brains.

        Exactly. Use your own brains using neutral and opinions from all views as input and process. Well, maybe I am just odd, but I dislike it when stuff is just thrown on my face. On the other hand, memos like the one linked from this particular article are excellent, because they provide facts on which the resulting conclusion was based. The value of good reports like this can be ruined by religion-like advocatism. Free software advocatism is getting some characteristics like this lately... but maybe in this case I just needed the extra cup of coffee. :)

  • No Need.... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Annoyed Coward ( 620173 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @02:59AM (#4757267) Homepage Journal
    Open Source is here to stay. And in India, this movement has picked up even before these visits.

    The awareness in India is brough by published magazines, that carry tools that are Open Source on CDs. A definite trend of rise of "Services" industry around Linux and other open source tools is visible. It won't be far fetched conclusion that when India (a pool of millions of Software Developers) wakes up to Open Source, the world will be free from marketing gimmicks. :-D

  • by Colonel Panic ( 15235 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @03:01AM (#4757275)
    I think it's a great letter and I agree with most all of the points made and they are made well...

    But, I don't see why it's so earthshaking. It's basically a letter written to government officials from a free software user's group - what do you expect 'em to say? Its analogous to a Linux User's group somewhere drafting a letter to send to their state officials.

    So no, I don't think it ranks up there with the letter by the Peruvian representative. If it were written by a group of government officials to other government officials then it would be a big deal.

    Actually reading this letter I was disappointed to find out that Gates' visit apparently had some impact on decisions that were being made by the IT@SCHOOL project in this particular Indian state. A few weeks back there were articles on /. and elsewhere touting the fact that Linux was chosen for this and other academic projects, but from reading this letter it seems now to be in doubt.
    How much impact do you think this letter (however good their arguments are) will have on these government officials compared to Bill Gates spreading $millions all over India to buy off these officials?

    Somebody stop that man!
  • by Karna ( 80187 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @03:41AM (#4757371)
    While on the subject of India and FLOSS, check out the site for Linux Bangalore/2002 [linux-bangalore.org] the second conference in the series. Here's stuff on last year's event, Linux Bangalore/2001 [linux-bangalore.org].

    -- start quote --
    Linux Bangalore/2002 is a three day conference on understanding and using Linux technologies. This conference aims to cover a large number of areas that include Core Linux technologies, Open Source, Embedded Systems and other allied technologies.
    -- end quote --

    The motto of the conference is "Technology for a free world". And yes, HP and IBM are sponsoring this event together, no less.
  • by foniksonik ( 573572 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @03:46AM (#4757387) Homepage Journal
    Here is a nice link to a news site with some status info on Linux adoption within India and current projects planned by India's Government.

    United Press International [upi.com]

    Here are a few examples of the Linux's increasing popularity in the country. The Indian government is planning a countrywide drive to promote the open source operating system, Linux, as the "platform of choice" instead of "proprietary," read Microsoft, solutions.

    The Department of Information Technology has already devised a strategy to introduce Linux as a de facto standard in Ivy-league educational institutions like Indian Institute of Technology, Tata Institute of Fundamental Research and Bhabha Atomic Research Center, through their curriculum that encourages the use of such systems.

    The Supreme Court -- India's apex judiciary -- has a few pilot projects underway. So have High Courts in Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh, and the government of West Bengal; the Delhi Road Transport Office has implemented a pilot to examine its viability; and C-DAC, the government's supercomputing arm, has moved lock, stock and barrel to Linux.

  • by raju ( 225812 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @04:12AM (#4757440) Homepage
    ... an astounding Rs. 74,10,00,000/- (rupees seventy four crores and ten lakhs) ...

    For the benefit of those who might think that there might be missing digits in the numbers: in India, after the thousand position (3 digits) they are grouped in two's as shown. Here are the powers of 10 as a guide.

    10
    100
    1,000
    10,000
    1,00,000 (one lakh)
    10,00,000
    1,00,00,000 (one crore)

    And 50 Rupees (INR) is approx. USD 1.

  • by bkontr ( 624500 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @04:26AM (#4757464) Homepage Journal
    What it all boils down to is that no one wants a global monopolist and foriegn nationals forcing propeitary software dependence down thier throat...even when MS is trying give away windows. Meanwhile here in the US, the Bush Republicans are actively helping MS shove their PC dictatorship down americans throats....so much for liberty and justice for all. MS knows it really can't compete with linux, and it shows with Palladium. It feels like the IT business is going back in time.. not forward, when will people realize that the MS monopoly does not nothing for innovation and no good for IT business in general?
  • by erroneus ( 253617 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @05:23AM (#4757568) Homepage
    I think the last people who will catch on will be the people of the U.S.A. I am a U.S. citizen and it just makes me crazy that people still think computers are expected to crash and "reboot" is how to fix your problems.
  • by shri ( 17709 ) <shriramc&gmail,com> on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @06:00AM (#4757640) Homepage
    Definately not as important as a senator's memo if it was written by members a LUG. I do not in my wildest dreams want to undermine the authors, but would be good to know who they were.

    I do belive Linux will be one of the mainstream operating systems in India, but not until the govt cracks down hard on piracy. Not until security becomes a major issue (I'm still getting virii on an email address I used 2 years ago to email people who visit one of my websites). Not until a major vendor in India goes all out to support Linux and shows a significant cost differential on the purchase of a PC. Not until a major SI (Tata, HCL etc) comes out with a authorative study which shows a significant difference in TCO. Not until Indian programmers from the SI start contributing to the various OSS development efforts.

    Oops .. don't mean to sound too negative, but there is a long way to go before a nationally important figure comes out and pens a memo as eloquent as the Peruvian Senator. On yeah.. in other news the Indian Prime Minister has switched to using a BMW as his primary mode of transport. :)
  • by RichLooker ( 556121 ) <richard@@@disputable...org> on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @06:28AM (#4757684)
    What is at stake here is the quality of the education and freedom from monopolies. In my university days (Norwegian Institute of Technology, Trondheim), we did use some proprietary software (namely SunOS and Ingres), but there was no mention of these in the curriculum. The courses were named "Compiler Technology", "Programming Languages", "Operating Systems", "Algorithms & Data structures", "Database Systems" etc.; not "Using M$ Visual C++", ".Net Web Services", "Optimizing M$ SQL Server" etc. Not once were we forced to study or use software of any given brand. Seeing how some other educational institutions are tied in to specific brands and vendors, and how this affects the quality of the education, startles me. They no longer teach IT in general; they teach "Using ". Kerala; you cannot afford to fall in this trap !!
  • by romit_icarus ( 613431 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @07:54AM (#4757882) Journal
    since it gave up looking towards India as a market. The real value of India to MS is its developers. India holds 10% of the worldwide software force. That's the reason why you can still go to the streets and pick up any software for $2. If MS clamps down on that, Linux gets the boost.
  • by anactofgod ( 68756 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @10:18AM (#4758815)
    ...pick up on the business."?

    "These people"?

    I agree. The sophistication of these savages is impressive. Who would have thought that they can look beyond the dazzling glass beads and intoxicating liquor that Gates and Co. are offering to realize the long term business and economic implications fully getting in bed with Microsoft.

    These new "Super Indians" are going to be a lot harder to herd onto a reservation than the ones we had to deal with in the past. Why, they may even be almost as smart at the White Man, and just as cunning!

    Bring out the phrenologists! We must study the size and shapes of their skulls!

    ...anactofgod...

  • wow (Score:3, Insightful)

    by stinky wizzleteats ( 552063 ) on Tuesday November 26, 2002 @12:11PM (#4759791) Homepage Journal

    Hence, it is essential that software to be used in schools are made available under a license which incorporates freedom of use.

    I'll be filing this one away for my next M$ argument. I can't think of a way this could be put more clearly.

    It is therefore a prerequisite of free and unhindered computerised communication between humans that computers understand languages 'spoken' by each other.

    As an American, proud our legacy of freedom, this point and the conclusions the author draws in following discussion carries a chilling judgement of what we are becoming. If electronic communication is as important to free speech as the document suggests, then the DMCA puts us well ahead of the Victorian British Empire in having corrupted our history of liberty.

After all is said and done, a hell of a lot more is said than done.

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