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Magic Leap is Pushing To Land a Contract With US Army To Build AR Devices For Soldiers To Use On Combat Missions, Documents Reveal (bloomberg.com) 78

Magic Leap, a US-based startup valued at north of $6 billion and which counts Google, Alibaba, Warner Bros, AT&T, and several top Silicon Valley venture capital firms as its investors, is pushing to land a contract with the U.S. Army to build augmented-reality devices for soldiers to use on combat missions, Bloomberg reported Friday, citing government documents and interviews with people familiar with the process. From the report: The contract, which could eventually lead to the military purchasing over 100,000 headsets as part of a program whose total cost could exceed $500 million, is intended to "increase lethality by enhancing the ability to detect, decide and engage before the enemy," according to an Army description of the program. A large government contract could alter the course of the highest-profile startup working on augmented reality, at a time when prospects to produce a consumer device remain uncertain.

Building tools to make soldiers more deadly is a far cry from the nascent consumer market for augmented reality. But the army's program has also drawn interest from Microsoft, whose HoloLens is Magic Leap's main rival. The commercial-grade versions of both devices still face significant technological hurdles, and its not clear the companies can fulfil the army's technical requirements. If recent history is any guide, a large military contract is also sure to be controversial within the companies.
Last month, Magic Leap unveiled its much-hyped AR device to the press and select developers.
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Magic Leap is Pushing To Land a Contract With US Army To Build AR Devices For Soldiers To Use On Combat Missions, Documents Reve

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    There is literally no way this will happen. The military cares about one thing for soldiers: weight. They know down to the ounce how much the kit of a soldier weighs. They have extensive information about how much each ounce of additional weight added to a soldier's kit affects performance. Getting something on to a soldier's back, even if it's one soldier in the unit, is a massive uphill battle.

    The Magic Leap system will not add enough advantages to offset the weight. The headgear weighs too much, and

    • It doesn't seem like the kind of thing you would give to every grunt. Maybe one per unit or something like that, for use by whoever is making the decisions.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      You are giving the army waaay too much credit here. They have some general guidelines but nothing even close to what you're saying. A lot of soldiers carry different guns for instance if their preference is something else and qualifies. That will weigh a different amount. Some soldiers already carry some pretty heavy gear. I'll agree that Magic Leap is dreaming and I worry the military is spending money on vaporware. As someone with family in the army I'd rather see properly HUDs that can highlight enemy ac

      • by Dallas May ( 4891515 ) on Friday September 21, 2018 @04:41PM (#57356872)

        If the only use of this was the ability to identify friend-foe on the battlefield, it would be worth it.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        No, I'm not giving them too much credit. I've worked selling hand-held diagnostic devices, and they are all over this weight issue. It's exactly the kind of thing one would think they would want: 1 guy needs it (the medic or the corpsman), theoretically light weight, and would have a significant impact on saving soldiers lives particularly in regions with difficult logistics like jungles and islands. The program was scrapped over battery size.

    • There's quite a few good military applications of "simple" AR. No need for super performance to conjure up those floating jellyfish or whales jumping up out of the ground. A small processing unit and ocular for one eye (perhaps attached to a helmet) is enough to overlay whatever the soldier is looking at with relevant information. The examples mentioned in the article wouldn't require much, but it makes sense for the military to contract with a firm who already have experience with the necessary optics a
    • The USArmy has to care about weight.

      GIs carry more hardware than any other unit in history.

      They invested in research in exoskeletons to increase their GIs' carrying capacity.

  • Building tools to make soldiers more deadly is a far cry

    Don't worry, it won't happen. Let me count the ways...

  • If you can't sell your junk to the public, force them to buy it for a higher price for the government.
  • the ghostly jellyfish experience is pretty cool, but it's not something i want my life to depend on.
    • Actually, when I started seeing the videos, military use was the first thing that popped in my head. A heads up display like this could make urban warfare far safer for the soldiers and make operations more effective.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I accidentally read that thinking of LeapFrog instead of Magic Leap. That gave me a totally incorrect, but awesome mental image.

  • I don't see why this would be controversial for the company. This is different than AI or robotics. This is about making soldiers and operations more effective for the human soldiers on the ground. This is no different than making a better individual radio or night-vision goggles.

    • of the F-35. A lot of money spent for little or no ROI. e.g. more money tossed to the MIC while funding's cut to the VA back home.
      • You need to stop believing everything you read on internet blogs. The F-35 is the most advanced and most highly capable piece of equipment ever produced by humans. It's not the cluster internet blogs want you to believe it is.

        • Hey, our local Lockheed-Martin rep! Good to meet you. I like your cargo planes, too.

          • I'm also a Boeing sales rep (odd conflict of interest I know.) Do you remember how the V-22 was the previous leader for the worst military financial disaster of all time? Yeah, that one turned out to be pretty useful after all.

            • Yeah, absolutely, that tilt-rotor stuff was just hard to do. And the F16 was a dog for a while. Fwiw, I don't remember too many complaints about the F15 (besides its cost, ofc).

              Software was critical to both of these. It's just that I look around at the quality of complex software and sometimes I despair.

  • increase lethality by enhancing the ability to detect, decide and engage before the enemy

    Yeah, yeah... Meanwhile, Ukraine's participants in the ongoing joint military exercises have just managed [rt.com] to capture the American participants' Headquarters and "kill" 32 personnel — "losing" only 2 of their own. Although the unit is, probably, among the best-equipped in Ukrainian army, they have none of the Americans' fancy stuff...

    (RT's is the only piece I could find about this, that's in English — the Rus

    • US Soldiers are happy to call the Taliban "camel fuckers" but guess who's actually getting fucked in Afghanistan? Even the best-equipped army in the world can't win against stubborn people defending their homeland.

      Meanwhile, plenty of consumers will refuse to support companies building the weapons of war. It's amazing that Magic Leap thinks it's worth $6B but still needs DoD money. Maybe that shows the real story.

      • by mi ( 197448 )

        Let's not venture off topic — neither side was fighting for its country during the joint exercises in Germany...

    • RT's is the only piece I could find about this, that's in English

      Which, of course, means that it's like totally real and 100% accurate. Because it tells you things you want to believe and comes to us from the super trustworthy Russian government.

      • Which, of course, means that it's like totally real and 100% accurate.

        It was proudly reported by Ukraine's own sites — including a Tweet by Ukraine's President [twitter.com]. But none of it was in English, which is why I posted the link to RT — after personally verifying the text and concluding, it does not include anything I haven't already read on the other sides.

        Because it tells you things you want to believe

        RT's owners hate Ukraine with passion. This makes the site a very reliable source of good news abo

  • US Army, run a fucking mile away from this. If you're desperate for a VR contract Bohemia and Occulus to supply something.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Lets see:
    - They've spent $6 Billion
    - They have yet to produce a viable product
    - They are years behind schedule, and
    - Previews suggest that they have wildly oversold their technology.

    Are we sure they aren't *already* a defense contractor?

    • Lets see:
      - They've spent $6 Billion
      - They have yet to produce a viable product
      - They are years behind schedule, and
      - Previews suggest that they have wildly oversold their technology.

      Are we sure they aren't *already* a defense contractor?

      Ha!

  • So... we built F-35s which cost over $100 million plus substantially more for TCO... these are planes that if they are placed in a combat environment which would place them at risk of being damaged or lost at the tax payers cost, would be devastating. Even using them in training exercises is a really bad idea as it's simply too high of a risk financially to make use of them. It's better to use much less expensive planes if absolutely necessary. In addition, using fleets of drones is much better. At under $1
    • But on the other hand, there's the people that will always say we should never make killing machines/robots/etc no matter what because that's terrible and we need people making those decisions because people will be moral and robots won't. Not saying my opinion, just more of mentioning that this argument pops up against it all the time.
  • I thought they already had AR devices. If that wasn't good enough, then what is wrong with Google Glass?

  • The critically panned Magic Leap... what sort of wealthy and unaccountable idiot would put their money into a risky venture like this? Ah yes, the military of course.
  • I remember Microsoft announcing this, then never saw it again. Assumed they just abandoned it. Have they actually done anything with it aside from advertising ideas for it?

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