Right To Be Forgotten? Web Privacy Debate in Italy After Women's Suicide (ndtv.com) 424
The suicide of a woman who battled for months to have a video of her having sex removed from the internet is fuelling debate in Italy on the "right to be forgotten" online. The 31-year-old, identified as Tiziana, was found hanged at her aunt's home in Mugnano, close to Naples in the country's south on Tuesday, reports Agence France-Presse. From the report: Her death came a year after she sent a video of herself having sex to some friends, including her ex-boyfriend, to make him jealous. The video and her name soon found their way to the web and went viral, fuelling mockery of the woman online. The footage has been viewed by almost a million internet users. In a bid to escape the humiliation, Tiziana quit her job, moved to Tuscany and tried to change her name, but her nightmare went on. The words "You're filming? Bravo," spoken by the woman to her lover in the video, have become a derisive joke online, and the phrase has been printed on T-shirts, smartphone cases and other items. After a long court battle, Tiziana recently won a "right to be forgotten" ruling ordering the video to be removed from various sites and search engines, including Facebook.
"words have consquences" (Score:2, Interesting)
Yes, I too wonder, where SJWs stand on this (Score:2, Insightful)
When Brendan Eich was "outed" as an opponent of "gay marriage", the online bullies forced his resignation from Mozilla's top job.
When blamed [slashdot.org] for the resulting degradation of Mozilla software's quality, the bullies insist [slashdot.org], it was their First Amendment right to criticize and boycott Mr. Eich — and that he should have known, that "words have consequences" and censored himself.
Resigning is no different from suicide in this case — a person is driven to an unpleasant and unwanted action by the words
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the bullies insist [slashdot.org], it was their First Amendment right to criticize and boycott Mr. Eich
... and they were right. They do indeed have the right to speak and boycott.
Resigning is no different from suicide in this case
Except the resignation was driven by constitutionally protected speech, and the suicide was not. Even if you want to argue that she had no privacy rights, she still owned the copyright on the video, and no one else had the right to copy or publish it without her explicit permission.
Re:Constitution... doesn't apply in Italy (Score:5, Informative)
Just to elaborate a bit, all speech is constitutionally protected in the US
... except for libel, slander, perjury, credible threats, inciting violence, copyright violations, security clearance violations, illegal recordings, disclosing sealed court documents, public obscenity, etc.
Re: come on, you can read (Score:3)
Actually SCOTUS is designed just fine (screaming Fire ... Building.. Etc). It's the check against their power that is broken... Congress and Executive.
SCOTUS was specifically designed to avoid the whims of the political parties and sway of public opinion. That's why their word is supreme and the positions are lifetime.
SCOTUS only says what is correct per their expertise. Rarely are they wrong. If there are problems with their rulings, it is up to Congress to fix or address. Unlike the Executive, people h
Bravo indeed (Score:5, Insightful)
Stupidity kills.
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Absolutely. This is all her fault.
Re:Bravo indeed (Score:4, Insightful)
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To be fair, my mistakes are typically not as grave as sending a sex tape to someone who has a motive - nay, a justification - to want to get back at me.
A shame indeed (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, it's truly a shame that the world has become a place where you cannot escape your mistakes, large or small, if someone, anyone, is the least bit interested in seeing to it that you can't. No matter how hard you try, no matter how sincere you are, no matter what lengths you go to to adjust your behavior or act in ways to mitigate or reverse any damage you might have done, or have been perceived to have done.
It's part and parcel of the retribution over rehabilitation mindset, I think. Despicable, really.
Re:Bravo indeed (Score:5, Insightful)
biggest mistakes become an object of mockery
Windows Mobile.
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Three mistakes. The first mistake was making a sex tape in the first place. This can be mitigated by using proper file encryption and not giving the file to anyone else. The second mistake was talking on the sex tape, thus personalizing it further. As above, proper encryption and lack of distribution can stop any consequences. The third mistake was sending it to her ex-boyfriend and three others. At which point she was up shit creek and everything that followed was her own damn fault for being a moron.
Re:Bravo indeed (Score:5, Insightful)
Look I feel bad for the gal, but:
she sent a video of herself having sex to some friends, including her ex-boyfriend, to make him jealous.
Has nothing to do with file encryption or security best practices... It is *common sense* not to do something such as this. Sending someone what is effectively self destructive in an attempt to anger them is literally begging for retaliation, while providing said ammo.
This woman was stupid on an epic scale.
Star wars kid, tron guy, etc. all silly and sure, embarrassing, but not actually damaging nearly at the level of a sex tape.
What. Was. She. Thinking?
Re:Bravo indeed (Score:4, Insightful)
"Star wars kid, tron guy, etc. all silly and sure, embarrassing, but not actually damaging nearly at the level of a sex tape."
How is a sex tape damaging to most people? I think its a shame that basically everyone likes sex, nearly everyone enjoys sex, yet its somehow offensive and humiliating for people to know or see you having it.
Re:Bravo indeed (Score:5, Funny)
Fuck you.
Well sure, as long as you're not taping it.
Re:Bravo indeed (Score:5, Insightful)
I think this falls under... "If you don't want the whole world including your mom and your pastor to see it, don't take pics and put it on the internet".
Sometimes you really do need to think things through before you act cause sometimes "oops" just doesn't cut it.
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Bush, Trump, Weiner ... I don't see them committing suicide. Trump has pinata effigies for crying out loud.
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I sort of agree with you, but would point out that all of your examples signed up for a public life. If you go into politics and you don't have an effigy made of you, you're probably not really getting all that far. If *they* cry about it, well, then they're idiots.
This woman did something that is pretty much self destructive and, let's be honest, stupid even for someone who doesn't know "information security practices". I mean, all you have to do is think ahead a little. Yeah, you may have made him fee
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I don't find it at all "Out of proportion". HER reaction is out of proportion to what happened. Sure you may have a month or so of being laughed at on the Internet and then Paris Hilton or whatever other fucktard releases a video or someone kills a gorilla and everybody forgets all about you and your stupid memes. I think it was Louis CK or Jim Gaffigan that said: if you don't like what people say about you online, stop googling yourself every 5 minutes.
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if it was that big of a mistake, why film it?
I think you're completing missing the point. The "mistake" wasn't her having sex. The mistake was her sending the video to her ex.
Re:Bravo indeed (Score:4, Insightful)
You messed up two things.
Yes, it is stupid for instance not to lock your front door. But it is still illegal to burglar a house with an unlocked door. Everyone who forwarded the video was doing something illegal. And it is not the fault of the woman when someone else does something illegal. It's primarily the fault of the people doing something illegal. But she was still suffering the consequences of someone else acting against the law.
Whoever excuses criminal behavior with the stupidity of someone else has a deeply twisted mind.
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Reap what you sow >>>> "right to be forgotten"
Re:Bravo indeed (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah - if an ex sends a video of her having sex to make you jealous, sharing it with the world at large is pretty much the ultimate F U response.
"So do you want to see just how not jealous I am?" *click*
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He almost certainly didn't get a license of sharing the video with the world. If he lived in GB, he'd be now in prison for copyright violation, and the punishment for putting the video online would've been worse than if he'd raped her instead as revenge. Or at least when the new law gets into place.
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Stupidity kills.
... And sooner or later most of us act stupidly.
And that's if you're lucky. You see it's our connections to other people that makes us vulnerable. In particular there's nothing like the successful engagement of the gonads to turn someone smart into a dumbass. It's easy to maintain your illusion of invulnerability if your life is spent in your parents' basement watching porn and posting condescending Internet screeds.
I'd rather be what TR called "the man in the area", balls and all.
today's lack of freedom (Score:2)
A drop dead gorgeous friend wanted to run in body paint but was afraid to run alone and asked me if I would join (in body paint, of course). Being gallant, I said sure (ok, perhaps part of me wanted to see her naked in body paint).
If you did this today
Re: Bravo indeed (Score:2)
Seriously, this is beyond stupid. She was the one guilty of revenge porn. Why should anyone treat this differently than when the guy does it?
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Does this qualify her for a Darwin award?
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no, intentional suicide is a disqualification.
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Yet you call the people mocking her "neck-beards" and "basement-dwellers". So why would anyone care what they think, as they are so diminished in your eyes?
I suspect the mockery wasn't just random internet trolls, who move on to new victims, but her friends, family, coworkers, etc who she had to deal with everyday, which sent her over the edge.
In that case, she shared the videos with the very people who later turned on her - which is rather ironic, and also deflates your argument.
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People who truly need "protection from shame" aren't the ones making sex videos to get revenge on someone, and then sending them out to multiple people.
Re: Bravo indeed (Score:5, Insightful)
Despite the apparent acquiescence of neck-beards on Slashdot, having the ability to share personal information without sharing it with the entire world is something greatly desired by actual human beings.
And this capability has never, ever existed. Even huge corporations have tried to make it happen through a collection of technologies and laws called Digital Rights Management and despite tens of millions of dollars and system after system, DRM falls or is circumvented through the final 'analog hole'.
It's possible to have sympathy while still acknowledging that the risks that led to this outcome were entirely hers to bear in her obviously ill-thought actions that started this. The extreme nature of her particular extreme cultural influence is certainly abnormal, but it does show how ridiculous it is to expect the right to be forgotten to actually do a damn thing.
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If Facebook had just removed the videos and prevented them from being re-uploaded, maybe banning accounts that did so after being warned, that would have been enough. Combined with de-listing on major search engines the problem would have been near as possible resolved.
Facebook doesn't do enough to ID videos and remove them automatically. YouTube has that technology, just try uploading a modern movie and see how long your account lasts.
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This case went well beyond the normal bounds of "going viral" it appears. But she should know the #1 rule of sharing things on the internet: Once it's out there, it's on the internet forever. How many other cases have we seen of people trying to quash embarrassing photos or videos online? Has it ever worked? No. Even if it were possible to prevent them from sharing on the original file, he could have recorded with his phone and passed it on. Especially since it was sent to an ex to piss him off...
People may
Re:Bravo indeed (Score:5, Insightful)
We're seeing a new phenomenon relative to the entirely of human existence -- it's not natural for people to adjust to.
What are you talking about? For how much of human history do you think it was easy for average people to leave their society and start a new life? For how much of human history do you think average people had a large enough community to enjoy actual anonymity at any point in their life?
For most of human history you had small villages with a few hundred people, so anything you did followed you for life. I'm probably even being generous with that "few hundred" figure. Even in large cities people were segregated into smaller communities. What do you think would have happened to a woman who had sex in public for their ex-boyfriend and a few other people to watch in 1200 AD? It probably wouldn't have a happy ending for the woman.
Our society (especially in the US) has enjoyed perhaps a couple hundred years providing an unusual level of anonymity and chance for a new start in life. The final result of the information age will almost certainly put that to an end. Our societies need to spend more time dealing with the consequences of a lack of privacy and the permanency of information instead of kicking that can down the road with stupid laws and an idealistic view of human history.
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Don't forget also that if somebody repeated your secret, they could not prove what they said.
Re:Bravo indeed (Score:5, Insightful)
People want to share personal information with other human beings without sharing it with the rest of the world.
Granted there are people who share share private information in confidence with their friends and family but this isn't what happened. She sent a spiteful and mean video to her friends and ex-boyfriend in order to publicly humiliate and hurt him. It became more public than she had intended but if it had humiliated only him I imagine she would be feeling awfully satisfied.
I wouldn't do that to an ex and if one did it to me I wouldn't be sharing it with the world... the entire situation is out of control.
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I don't think you understand she attempted to do this to her ex-boyfriend by sending it to him and their friends in a public and humiliating manner. Had this not been a revenge sex-video, she may have succeeded in doing to him what she did to herself.
If she had instead started shooting a gun at him and it ricochet and hit her would you still be thinking the same way? Would you be saying that it's not fair because her aim is poor?
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I would largely agree with you, but the whole sending to Ex partner to incite jealousy is simply too stupid. Even in "The before time" something such as this would have made it around to all the gal's friends. The ex easily could have duped it and handed it out.
Hardly a new problem (Re:Bravo indeed) (Score:2)
This is hardly a new problem — we've had it for thousands of years.
Your secret becomes less and less secret the more you share it with others. There is no "right to be forgotten" — and there never was. The prospect of it ever becoming mandatory to submit oneself to a memory-erasing procedure [telegraph.co.uk] — such as to satisfy a court's order in a divorce case — scares me more than anybo
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There's always a silver lining somewhere if you just will look for it, and not take yourself out of the gene pool prematurely.
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If she'd been smart she would have gotten a formal copy right on the video, AND...copyright/trademark on the phrase she used "You're Filming? Bravo".....and made a fortune off this attempt to get back at someone that backfired.
There's always a silver lining somewhere if you just will look for it, and not take yourself out of the gene pool prematurely.
I'm pretty sure she didn't expect the video to go viral, and certainly didn't expect her spontaneous comment to become a meme.
Re: Bravo indeed (Score:4, Insightful)
Because really, it's not her fault: it's a new situation created by technology that humans weren't equipped to deal with.
The new situation is people who think there are no consequences for their actions. The Scarlet Letter was published in 1850, and I'm guessing it wasn't a revelation even then that public knowledge of questionable sexual behavior could have severe consequences for the rest of your life (or even result in death quite quickly).
We need to realize as a society that privacy and anonymity were the aberrations in human history.
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It was everybody's responsibility not to hound her to death afterwards, but they did.
Re: Bravo indeed (Score:4, Insightful)
People have feelings. They make mistakes, then change in response to those mistakes. The horrible thing about this is, she was actively prevented from growth by people who wanted to freeze her identity at a moment in her development which caused her pain, and force her to writhe there, suffering, for the rest of her life.
You can make all the comments you want about openness and transparency and accountability, and they may have merit, but that doesn't change the fact that this woman genuinely grew past the point where these videos accurately reflected her as a human being, she tried to communicate that, no one would listen, so she killed herself. The people didn't have a greater understanding, they had a misunderstanding which could not be corrected, and we lost her and everything she had to offer as a consequence.
I can relate. I wish I'd hung myself instead of trying to overdose, I might be enjoying her peace.
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There are certain things you just can't ever live down. If you murder someone, you don't get to change your identity and say you made a mistake and then live on. Many a politicians make mistakes that will live on forever. If she got an STD or a kid from the ordeal, she can't just move to Tuscany and forget about it. People make mistakes, some will follow you for the rest of your life, that's called being an adult.
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The horrible thing about this is, she was actively prevented from growth by people who wanted to freeze her identity at a moment in her development which caused her pain, and force her to writhe there, suffering, for the rest of her life.
Some people become a meme and they survive the experience. Some don't. Don't suggest that anyone forced her to suffer. They did confront her with her actions on a daily basis, but those are her actions. How she feels about them is her business.
I can relate. I wish I'd hung myself instead of trying to overdose, I might be enjoying her peace.
If you truly can't be happy again, then I support your decision. But these things do pass, even what happened to her. Some people survive many years of torment and go on to live if not a normal life, at least a full one.
I can't speculate intelligently on why she kille
Right to be Forgotten (Score:4, Insightful)
You're asking for something that is impossible, to be a "Right"
The "online" part is irrelevant (and just as impossible). I can no more "forget" on demand short of you lobotomizing me, and you don't have that right.
So, lets stop tossing words like "rights" around, when they cannot apply.
BTW, she handled it very poorly. She could have milked it (trademarked the phrase) and become a famous porn star, with a catch phrase and all. Embrace that which makes you famous (like the Kardashians) and you'll be both Rich and Famous.
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The "right to be forgotten" isn't about brainwashing. It's about record retention.
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Who's record was it, once she gave it away?
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That is the very issue in question: what privacy interests an individual enjoys with respect to information that is in other people's possession. Your argument completely begs the question.
I suggest you actually educate yourself on information privacy issues and law before taking such an unequivocal position.
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Maybe she aspired to something greater than porn, an industry that at the best of times does not treat people well. She wasn't asking for people to erase their memories either, just to have Facebook block the video from being shared which it entirely within its power to do.
People make mistakes. Europe is not like the US, we don't punish people for the rest of their lives in all but the most exceptional cases.
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You always assume too much. My point was that we allow criminals to be reformed and move on with their lives in most cases. Yet when it comes to someone who made a mistake and it was publicised on the internet...
Before making assumptions, it's better to ask for clarification if there is any doubt.
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It IS impossible.
And she did make her own choices. What she doesn't want to deal with, are the consequences OF those choices.
1) she chose to be filmed
2) she chose to give that video away
Those were her active choices. The consequences of those choices aren't hers to make.
You go to the top of a mountain, and open up a down pillow, and scatter the feathers to the wind (your choice), Now, go gather up all the feathers you just let blow away. Once that pillow is ripped open, and the feathers fly, they are imposs
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Sorry, but it is not impossible.
Sure, you will never remove it from individual hard drives, but that doesn't mean you can't remove it from being shared on the Internet.
I get that it may go underground and shared p2p but if you remove it from major public web sites, it is effectively gone as far as the main stream public is concerned.
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The only question is why you hate and oppouse her freedom to make her own choices.
She made her choices. She can't make or force choices on others though.
Re: Right to be Forgotten (Score:2)
we need to be protected from stupid decisions? (Score:3)
How about don't use your real name online? Just because everyone in the world seems to have abandoned that concept in the last 15 years doesn't make it any less important, or relevant.
This is not a problem for the internet, its a problem of novice internet users emailing sex tapes around. I would have some sympathy if she was hacked, but she clearly brought this on herself. We all make mistakes, but we don't all make fools of our self online using our real information. That's a fairly specific choice she made. It may not have been thought through, but let that be a lesson to everyone who decides emailing a sex tape around is a good idea.
What has been seen... (Score:2)
What has been seen cannot be unseen. What has been posted, once downloaded by anyone at all, cannot be unposted.
I've taken things down at the request of the party filmed, even though it has always been innocent. (You are NOT going to be passed over for promotion because of a video of you breakdancing while drunk.) In these cases, it was not too late. Hardly anyone "scrapes" YouTube, they just watch and move on. But if your video has already become a meme? You're screwed (no pun intended). All the shouting i
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On the other side of the coin, I think that everyone has a right to control their own image and content. What may make sense at one phase of your life may not make sense later on.
People change as they get older. Someone should not have to live the rest of their lives paying for a single mistake.
I know that it is not a popular view point, but I do support the "right to be forgotten".
I don't think it is impossible to achieve either. Sure, once out in the public domain, it will never be fully erased. But that
Are you for real? (Score:3, Insightful)
Are you guys for real? Yes I assume you are guys.
Just because someone makes a stupid mistake we don't have the right to keep on blasting her for it! And she asked please would you stop and leave me alone. And the idiots still kept on pestering her. Making t-shirts? I cannot belive it! Sure - it's not illegal to do that but the people doing it place themselves square into the neanderthal part of the intelligence and compassion scales! I bet you guys know how to google - so don't just take my word for it - but an environment in which you are continously beeing harrassed can cause all kinds of damage in a persons soul. Some people in Italy and on the net really should think hard and long about their own behaviour! Are you all 13 years old? I don't think so!
And then to come here and you all continue the blame fest on her for beeing harassed and mobbed enough to take her own life? HELLO! She took her own life. That is no joke!
I had to thaw up my old account for this because I'm shocked and ashamed of what Slashdot has became.
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"Just because someone makes a stupid mistake we don't have the right to keep on blasting her for it!"
Actually, you do have the right. It's not morally acceptable, it's bullying, but it is free speech. I do wish people would be a little more responsible of their mocking of other people. None of us are immune to becoming the next "idiot on the web".
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She did a stupid, vain thing on the internet and got made a laughingstock by millions as a result, same as Tron Guy, Star Wars Kid, Chris Crocker, or any number of other internet 'celebrities.' I doubt you launched to the defense of them, though. Wonder what's different here? Hmm...
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Wait, who else is to blame for the woman's stupidity besides herself?
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The guy (assuming) who posted the private video to a public forum. THAT is who deserves the blame, and the bullying.
Re:Are you for real? (Score:4, Insightful)
You are completely and utterly wrong.
1. She engaged in consensual sex act.
2. She approved of it being filmed (Bravo!)
3. She sent it, unbidden, to former lover & friends.
Those were her choices. There was never ANY agreement that the video was private. And most assuredly, the recipients would not have agreed to it. She gave up her privacy when she CHOSE to send the video to others, without any agreement in place.
They had the freedom to do what they wanted with it. She tried to embarrass her ex-lover by sending it, so he turned around and embarrassed her by sharing it further.
The ONLY one at fault is her.
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Sounds like he was just hitting back. Remember the first act here was with malicious intent. She sent him that video for a reason, and that wasn't because they were in a happy relationship.
She's both stupid and a bully.
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What part of "she was quite happy to screw up her ex's life but coudn't take it when her own shit started to come back at her" are you not getting?.
Re:Are you for real? (Score:5, Insightful)
Having sympathy for the woman and having outrage that these kind of stupid decisions end up creating even more stupid laws are not mutually exclusive. Having more outrage about laws that affect billions of people (even if only slightly) than sympathy for a single human life is also quite natural, consider 150,000 people die each day.
If there was no such thing as Right to be Forgotten laws, there would be nothing but sympathy for this woman. But considering the political climate it is reasonable most of us are upset at the people peeing in the pool everyone else has to swim in.
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Oh they're for real.
We live in the golden age of priggery. The salacious tone of the posts make it a little harder to see, but the essential quality of any prig isn't what he's for or against; it's that petty, self-righteous tut-tutting.
This newfound possibility of being a foul-minded, vulgar prig is what makes this the Golden Age.
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What did you expect? That people laud her wisdom? She was somewhere between 30 and 31 years old when she sent a sex video of herself to her then ex partner to hurt him and to other people. She harassed her ex, and by sending it to (I assume) mutual friends she also humiliated him within their social circle. She is not really a victim here. If she could not handle the heat, she should not have lit the fire. No sympathy. Really, none.
To the other commentator who mentions rape culture: Do you have even the sli
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It might be illegal. Driving someone to suicide is illegal in many places. Getting t-shirts printed and continuing to harass her after she asked them to stop quite possibly opens them up to prosecution.
Re: Are you for real? (Score:4, Insightful)
Nobody gets a free pass on this regardless of their sex. Anything else sends the message that women need to be protected from the consequences of their own decisions because they are women. Your comment is both sexist and misogynistic - if it was the ex making sex videos of himself and sending it to her family and friends in an attempt to humiliate her, and she spread it around, we'd be laughing at the dumbass and celebrating his Darwin award. Let's not have double standards based solely on sex - it's demeaning to women.
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I'm assuming from your username you are actually female, in which case Thank you for being female and also understanding the true meaning of equality, and standing up for it!
It boggles my mind how so many women apparently think a clear double-standard is somehow self-evidently right, and worse, how so many pathetic manginas agree with them.
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I totally agree that men are just as guilty of reinforcing this attitude. In fact I'd blame men more than women, since women are only human and like most of us are obviously gonna try for whatever they can get.
Due to a combination of the traditional-gender-model brainwashing most males get right from birth at home and school, and the PeeCee bullshit that the mass media continually bombard us with, apparently very few men can even mentally grasp the concept of true gender equality. Most just go along with it
Re: Are you for real? (Score:5, Insightful)
I think YOU are mistaken. I never said that she made the videos with her ex - she made them with other men (including more than one at a time) after the split, with the express purpose of humiliating him in front of his friends and family to whom she distributed the videos.
When she distributed it to people who never even asked to see it, she lost all right to claim any sort of "privacy." There was no prior "understanding" between her and any of the recipients that "hey, this is private, just fyi, so keep it confidential." She was attempting emotional blackmail, and the motivation makes it revenge porn.
If someone tried to humiliate me, I'd make it very public (actually, already happened a few times) as a way of holding them accountable for their actions. They would have NO right of privacy in what they had said. Anything less gives power to the perp, and she was the perp in this case.
She was the one who tried to do the whole public shaming thing, but, like pissing in the wind, when the wind doesn't blow the right way, you're going to get splash-back.
Once you make something public, there's no take-back. That's the way the world works, and has worked long before the Internet. Gossip is part of human nature.
Re: Are you for real? (Score:4, Insightful)
She made multiple videos, each with her having sex with one or more men, in a misguided and ultimately fatal attempt to humiliate him. She sent those videos, unsolicited, to his friends and family. The intent makes it revenge porn. She was trying to send the message "see how many men want me", and instead sent the message "I'm a stupid slut." She was the one who lost all right to privacy when she willfully sent them unsolicited to his friends and family.
Anyone who doesn't live their whole life in the drama bubbles on Facebook or twitter could have told her the risks, but she probably wouldn't have listened anyway. The desire for revenge clouded her judgment.
That so many posters automatically assume that the guy was the perp shows just how much sexism is alive and well.
It would equally be revenge porn if, in an attempt to humiliate a neighbor, they had intentionally distributed porn featuring the neighbor's kids to all the members of the neighbor's church. "Look at how my neighbor raised their kids." The intended target doesn't have to be in the video. Humiliation by association. It's real.
Thank you (Score:2)
Thank you for being the one to say something; you're a good person. The other comments here are unbelievable. It's sickening that we live in an age where an entire country of people can quickly turn on a person for something they did in their private life and ridicule them until they feel that death is the only escape. And perhaps the worst part is that so many people don't seem to recognize the bigger picture of it happening.
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The four comments on this story all blame the woman for her own stupidity? Are you guys for real? Yes I assume you are guys.
Yes and Yes.
Read the story, the woman made a sex tape and sent it to her ex to make him jealous. Thats where it all started two acts of supreme stupidity:
1. Making a sex tape. If she hadn't of recorded herself doing it then there's be nothing to see.
2. Sending it to her ex as an attack. If you do record yourself on the job, its best not to share it... doubly so with anyone you don't explicitly trust (as in with your life). This bit is triply stupid because she sent it to someone she didn't like and
Re: Are you for real? (Score:2, Interesting)
Social awkwardness, Aspergers, and so on have this nasty side to them. The natural desire and curiosity is there, the lack of social graces makes it hard to satisfy, the loneliness when others' social and sex lives work and yours dont can be excruciating, and the means to remedy the problems is often either taboo, niche, or unattainable. The pressure to enjoy spreading naughty videos is strong, and sensible alternatives non-existent. By seeing these people as 'akward herberts' to be sidelined, ignored and l
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+1 for calling out the rape culture (no mod points right now)
I know, what is this with men daring to question women's actions?! We must put them back into their place, by force if necessary.
Re: Are you for real? (Score:2)
Not a right to be forgotten problem (Score:2)
Modern society's attitudes to young women and sex are basically a fucked up mish mash of caveman reproductive instincts and simplistic religious bigotry. By making sex rarer, subject to various social conventions and expectations, you cultivate perverse fascinations, and inhibit maturity.
Not possible (Score:2)
They might as well create a right for the murdered to be "Restored to life" while we're legislation impossible acts.
Realistically - information isn't going to be removed from the internet. It's like playing the world's worst game of whack-a-mole.
I do have sympathy for most victims of leaked nudes photos or video - this one is a tad hard to feel bad for because she intentionally sent it to an ex she was on bad terms with. Generally though - that's a bit of an exception to the rule.
That said, despite it bein
That poor woman (Score:2)
The right to be forgotten .... (Score:2)
Errrm, ... seriously, I don't get it. (Score:3)
So this women deliberately had sex with multiple men at the same time. Ok, I understand that. I've had my share of threesomes & orgys/âoegangbangs" and the ladies always loved it.
She had herself filmed while doing so. For free. Ok, I get that too. Some people dig this, and if she and her lovers looked good doing sex she'd being doing other people a favour with nice free amateur pron. Good thing.
Here it gets weird: She had herself filmed to make someone - aparently her ex-lover - jealous. Thats imature, silly and dumb, but whatever.
She sent her ex-lover and some other peole the video. Ok. Fits her plan and intent.
Then she gets hysterical as the video ends up on the internet. Calls for legal measures to have the video removed, gets depressed and finally kills herself. ... I mean WTF??!?
Isn't it blatantly obvious to *anybody* that step 2 already basically guarantees that your sextape will end up on the internet with anywhere between a few hundred up to a few million seeing it? What is wrong with people? ... This whole szenario is so patently absurd I almost have difficulty believing it.
I seriously don't get it.
Stupidity has consequences... (Score:3)
Why is this a surprise? Why do some people think others should be protected against their own, severe stupidity?
Seriously, it was completely clear and obvious that this video would end up on the Internet. After all, she published it (by sending it to her ex) without conditions or restrictions on its use. That somebody utterly stupid (sorry for speaking ill of the dead, but it is a fact here) may take their own life when they realize how massively they have screwed up is also not new.
There is _zero_ need to do anything here. Stupid people will always be around and it is not possible to make the world safe for them. A lot of damage can be done by trying though, so the effort itself is utterly evil.
emule (Score:2, Troll)
Connect to an emule server, search for Tiziana Cantone and you will see a multitude of results. There are 5-6 short explicit videos, including fellatio, multiple partners and even some "alone time", plus a few not explicit pics.
I was curious myself, because I know there are thousands of women out there that are named on their leaked videos and I don't think people actively go after them with memes etc, so I wanted to know what was different here. I don't really see anything out of the "ordinary" (sure most
Re:Blame Someone Else (Score:5, Insightful)
Blame Someone Else for your own stupidity.
Agreed.
She must be an American at heart.
There are stupid people all around the world, my friend. Pointing the finger at a country and calling its people stupid is like pointing at the Sun and calling it helium.
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At least compared to other places.
The suicide part
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a learning experience for young impressionable girls
Not really going to happen. There are still people who think girls are supposed to be raised innocent of the realities of life until they are old enough to be married off. At which time, it will be their husband's job to lock them safely away from the big bad world in a castle*. Religious nutjobs, I'm talking to you.
*More likely a single-wide mobile home.
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People need to be accountable for their actions, heck even some teenagers know that what they post might prevent them from getting a good job one day. This is the age we live in and we have to control our 'media' that we create. Everything is remembered somewhere and the internet makes it findable.
FTFY.
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Name any major film for which DMCA takedown notices go out by the bucketload and I'll bet you half a meatball sandwich that it's over on The Pirate Bay waiting for download.
Such measures of limited sucess. If the motive is financial, there might be some benefit. If you can "crackdown on piracy" and manage to eliminate enough bad copies to boost legitimate sales by some percentage, then your actions are considered successful - to a degree.
However when the goal isn't financial, and instead is just to remove
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This proves she has zero class.
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That humans actions raise or lower that value over time.
She was a person who not only wanted to hurt other people, but did so in a stupid way. Then when her actions unsurprisingly backfired she lacked any ability to deal with it in an adult manner and just made shit worse. She was a bad person, that dug a hole and then attempted to fix it by digging deeper and was of the opinion that the only solution was death.
She looked decent, that though, sa