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Cubans Allowed To Export Software and Software Services To the US 166

lpress writes In an effort to support Cuba's nascent private sector, the Treasury Department announced on Friday that Americans can now import goods and services produced by "independent Cuban entrepreneurs." Will the Cuban government allow that? Cuba is a communist nation, but they have a list of 201 job categories in which self-employment is permitted. Most of those jobs are goofy things like magician and pedal-taxi driver, but one is not – computer programmer. Will the Castro regime let private individuals and organizations export software and software services to the United States and the rest of the world?
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  • Within a year or two (or maybe sooner), the price of a cuban cigar in the US will drop like a rock. I have friends who bring them in from Europe all the time.

    Now... What's all this about cuban software? They have computers?

    • You've got it wrong. Even in Europe where they're legal, a good cuban cigar can go for upwards of $10 a stick.[1]

      Good cigars take years to manufacture (mainly due to the fact that you have to cure the tobacco for years). Even though the cuban government might (and has been known to) rush out cigars that have not properly cured, people who smoke cigars will generally still want ones that are properly aged (unless you're aging them yourself). And I should add that cigars that have not been cured long enoug

      • All of this not taking into account the rather large decline of smoking in general in the US since the cold war.

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/... [huffingtonpost.com]

        Though it seems it's highest among those living in poverty (and among homosexuals, for reasons I am in no position to guess) which means that not many of those few that do smoke are likely able to fork out the money.

        • Smoking Cigarettes and Smoking Cigars are not equivalent.

          Cigarettes are highly addictive and yes the lower class and poor do seem to be disproportionately affected.

          Cigars are something enjoyed by the upper class, and generally people don't smoke a pack a day. You have one or two for a special occasion.

          It's two completely different things. If you don't believe me try bringing back a box of expensive Cuban cigars and handing them out. Plenty of people who don't smoke will take one because they enjoy experi

          • And then puke because it absolutely smells disgusting.
            Even with quality cigars and even when smoking properly (i.e. not like cigarettes or joints).

            • May be you've never had a good cigar then as the aroma of a good cigar is nothing short of heavenly.

              The funny thing about cigar smoking is a lot of people try something cheap, because they don't want to spend a lot of money on something they're not going to enjoy.

              But as the high end cigars are more likely to be tasty (it's hard to find anything tasty for less than $10 a stick), you may have a better experience with a better stick.

              • It's just not my taste.
                My father in law is a cigar nerd : I tried Cohiba and Montecristo from his humedor, it just tasted awful.
                Maybe it's just me, I cannot drink a single drop of good whisky either.

                • I feel sorry for you that you'll never get to experience one of the great pleasures in life.

                  • To each his own. It might come later.
                    It took me a while to enjoy wines and olives.
                    Anyway, weed, guitar, anal sex and skateboarding are my great pleasures in life right now, and I don't feel like I'm missing anything :D

              • I've been in the presence of people smoking $100+ cuban cigars, and they smell just as disgusting as the $5 American ones.
      • Interesting comments. I'm basing supply on "serious cigar" guys I know who bring a few back from Europe on military jets now and then.

        • Yeah it may very well be that long term (like over 10 years) cigar manufacturing goes bonkers and prices go down.

          But short term supply is inelastic (because cigars take so long to make) and prices will go up with an increase in demand.

      • by AK Marc ( 707885 )
        Aren't they legal in Mexico? I know people who used to drive to Mexico to smuggle back Cuban cigars. Though they could be illegal there, and the friends thinking they were being tricky were being defrauded.
        • They're only illegal in the US. Drive North to Canada, or South to Mexico, and you can buy them.

          Getting them back is the tricky part. While anyone who has been through a border crossing can tell you it's pretty unlikely you get searched, the penalty is quite severe (something like $50k per incident). And while customs generally won't throw the book at you for a box of cigars, to make it worth while to drive to mexico you'd need to buy an awful lot of boxes.

    • They probably have computers, but I wonder what the state of the art is. There isn't much of a market for programmers of archaic Soviet machines via paper tape. Have they had sufficient access to modern computers and software to be able to compete for jobs in the US or write software anyone wants?
      • The answer is likely yes. Well, to a point.

        The US embargo was the US and US companies only. Other countries ignored it Cubans went to other countries to become educated and Cuba imported educators as well. That being said, only a small portion of the population will have access to computers. It will not be like other countries but possabilities beyond ancient soviet tech will exist.

    • there are computers everywhere in the world actually. Even North Korea has them, and North Korea is far more sheltered than Cuba. The only nation that embargos Cuba is the US. There was some article from 10 years ago about them rolling their own gentoo distribution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
    • smoking is bad, drugs are bad , alcohol is bad M'kay ?
  • by jeff13 ( 255285 ) on Sunday February 15, 2015 @08:42PM (#49063055) Homepage

    ... call centre.

    • Why not just say it out loud? Call center...

      Not a bad way to get the average Cuban into the 21st Century.

      It worked for India, first call centers, now they OWN the US development market.

      We will start seeing an influx of Cubans up here in Washington State on the Microsoft campas as soon as they can swing the politics...

    • Expect they speak Spanish and not English. I work at one right now and our Spanish operations in Panama could probably do it for just as cheap there and unlike Cuba they have these things called fiber OC and T3 wan connections for traffic and voice which I doubt exist in Cuba currently.

      • by AK Marc ( 707885 )
        Less than 100 miles from the US, it would be pretty cheap to lay fiber there. You'd pay more for the landing in Miami than the cost of the glass. And with all the fiber running around the Caribbean, I'd be surprised if there's none there. What does the US do for the Guantanamo base? I'd have guessed that there's something from FL to Puerto Rico that stops there, and it's be easy to sell to Cuba off it. MCI was the US government's official no-bid communications provider for many years, and they'd build
  • Bad for Americans.

    I have to say this? I am in Desktop and some server support now and I deeply regret following the advice of do not code as only Indians will do it by 2010 or so. Kicking myself!

    Why? College grads make $60,000 with 0 experience in the US?? I know this opinion is unpopular on Slashdot but it does add credence to maybe their is a shortage of good developers as only MBAs make this out of school.

    If Cubans can do it cheaper and add freedom and prosperity to end tyranny like what happened in Chin

    • Re:Great for Cuba (Score:5, Interesting)

      by sg_oneill ( 159032 ) on Sunday February 15, 2015 @08:46PM (#49063079)

      $60,000 is $28 US an hour salary. Here in Australia thats what we pay kids shifting boxes in supermarkets. As a programmer I wouldn't get out of bed for a wage that low.

      Trust me, if your country is uncompetitive, its not wages.

      • $60,000 is $28 US an hour salary. Here in Australia thats what we pay kids shifting boxes in supermarkets.

        You can not make that kind of comparison without taking into account something called "cost of living". There are many civilized places where my wages are very nice indeed in comparison with the locals, but guess what? The cost of living is different.

        Why do you think so many Americans retire to Costa Rica or other similar places? Because for the SAME level of "quality of life", it is less expensive.

        But given the right-wing politics and level of personal freedom in Australia, I wouldn't live there if I were

        • Sydney is very expensive but so are San Fransisco and New York which are for worse.

          I find the GP statement not true unless the kid is a manger at the local super market in Australia or they have very high food costs :-)

        • A million dollars wouldn't buy you much, sadly. Sydney, where many of the senior government politicians hail from, has one of the most overvalued property markets in the world.

          Costa Rica, eh? I was thinking Chile or Uruguay...

        • by SumDog ( 466607 )

          I'm a computer scientist who moved from Cincinnati to Melbourne and worked for a year there. Even with the cost-of-living, I worked a contract for $75k/year and could live very comfortable in Melbourne. I even left with more money than I arrived with (and I didn't even work the entire time; really only about 4 months total with some remote work still coming in from the US).

          Minimum wage is Victoria was $14 an hour. Oh yea, and citizens got free medicare.

          Don't confuse cost of living with cost of cheap electro

      • Well I knew college kids who got $13/hr and were grateful to have a job here.

        Seems 28 is way too high

      • Our dollar has crashed, so bare in mind that $AU28 is now $US21.78 :)

      • 28 bucks to move boxes in a super market??? Thats insane. but then again a 25K chevy costs 100 grand for some odd reason down there
      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        "$60,000 is $28 US an hour salary. Here in Australia thats what we pay kids shifting boxes in supermarkets."

        No we don't. That's a night filler position, current award pay rates:
        Casual: $23.15/h (At current exchange rates: US$18/h)
        Casual Saturday: $25.01/h
        Casual Sunday: $37.05/h
        Casual Public Holiday: $50.94/h

        Part-time/Full-time: $18.52/h (At current exchange rates: US$14.40/h)
        Part-time/Full-time Saturday: $23.15/h (Some types of retail excluded and get base rate)
        Part-time/Full-time Sunday: $37.05/h
        Par

      • $60,000 is $28 US an hour salary. Here in Australia thats what we pay kids shifting boxes in supermarkets. As a programmer I wouldn't get out of bed for a wage that low.

        The US doesn't have such a generous welfare system as in Australia. If you did that kind of thing in the US, you'd be out on the streets and homeless in no time.

  • by gigaherz ( 2653757 ) on Sunday February 15, 2015 @08:43PM (#49063071)
    ... I'll be forced to question their intelligence. Communism or no, exporting services means the country gets an intake of money, without this transaction resulting in the country having less resources as a result. Making additional copies of software is virtually free.
    • Not every decision is made based on monetary terms.

      That said, open source is probably the closest the world has ever gotten to true communism.
      • That said, open source is probably the closest the world has ever gotten to true communism.

        Communism is centralized control of production. Free Software and Open Source are exactly the opposite. Patents and copyrights are much closer to Communism, as the Government issues directions for who gets to produce stuff.

        • by Dog-Cow ( 21281 )

          Communism is shared ownership of resources. It has nothing to do with who is making the decisions, though there is an assumption that each owner has a say.

          Free/Open Source software is fairly close. Each contributor owns his piece. Some projects require copyright assignment, and those have no Communistic features.

        • Communism is centralized control of production.

          Nah, that's going too far. Communism is workers controlling the means of production. The Soviet Union (and others) attempted to achieve this by centralizing the control of production, but that's not necessary.

  • by zmooc ( 33175 )

    LOL That's "funny". So as of 2015 it is easier to sell software from Cuba to the US than it is to sell software from the EU to the EU. Praise the lord....

    http://www.belastingdienst.nl/... [belastingdienst.nl]

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