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Prosecutors Raid LG Offices Over Alleged Vandalism of Samsung Dishwashers 87

As reported by Reuters, Korean manufacturing giant LG's Seoul headquarters have been raided over allegations that LG employees sabotaged dishwashers made by rival Samsung. The Samsung machines were "on display at two stores in September ahead of the IFA electronics show in Berlin." From the article: On Friday, investigators searched the Seoul offices of LG Elec's home appliance head, Jo Seong-jin, and others and secured documents and computer hard disks related to the IFA fair, Yonhap News Agency said. They also combed through LG Electronics' home appliance factory in the southeastern city of Changwon, the report said. ... Samsung sued LG Electronics employees after the incident in Germany, and LG said the company has counter-sued Samsung employees on Dec. 12. Media reports have earlier said prosecutors banned LG's Seong-jin from leaving the country ahead of the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) to be held January 6-9.
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Prosecutors Raid LG Offices Over Alleged Vandalism of Samsung Dishwashers

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  • by ColdWetDog ( 752185 ) on Friday December 26, 2014 @11:24PM (#48678503) Homepage

    And you guys thought the reason for adding Internet connectivity to appliances was to help the NSA.

    Come see the Battle of the Appliances! Coming to a home near you!

    GE toaster takes out Amana microwave. LG dryer attacks the Hoover vacuum. People run to the streets in terror!

    Micheal Bay to direct the movie!

  • by wisnoskij ( 1206448 ) on Friday December 26, 2014 @11:31PM (#48678517) Homepage
    Say all you want about innocent until proven guilty, but when when the government has the right to detain, raid, and otherwise completely interrupt/ruin your life on a whim or allegation, how is that fair? Sure they cannot send you to prison without a trial, but they can detain you in a prison until a trial. They cannot fine or punish you without a trial, but they can raid and seize evidence on almost 0 grounds.

    Compare this to the Cardassian system that will not detain you, will not question you, will not release to the public any allegations, you lose 0 rights and are not even inconvenienced until your guilt is proven. They are given the burden of proving your guilt before they can do any of these things.
    • I'm more partial to a polar justice system. It gives you a perfectly clear direction and says exactly just how far you may go. But don't you think that kinda goes off on a tangent now?

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      If you had ever watched Star Trek you would know the Cardassians had little interest in truth of justice, and were notorious for executing or incarcerating innocent people. For some proof please watch these episodes:

      Deep Space 9 - Season 2 Episode 25 - Tribunal
      Deep Space 9 - Season 5 Episode 8 - Things Past

      • So their government can be overbearing and tyrannical, they can fabricate evidence and try innocent people. News flash, American does that all the time. At least on Cardassia you are truly innocent until proven guilty. At least on Cardassia you cannot be impassioned without a trial, you cannot be held up in courts for decades and have your resources witted away by a richer opponent. At least on Cardassia the amount of justice you get is not equal to how much you can buy.
        • But on Cardassia you don't get to mount your own defense
          • Do you get that chance in America, or the UK?
            The idea of running around solving your own crime, proving your innocence, is a fiction for films and TV
            And the idea of doing anything other than paying for the best lawyer you can afford, and sitting in a chair in the courtroom as he mounts the best defense possible is not any more realistic than running around solving some murder you have been accused of. In America must buy your justice, and most people cannot afford much. You simply cannot defend yourself,
    • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Saturday December 27, 2014 @12:35AM (#48678641)

      Really? The government shouldn't have a right to detain people who are a potential flight risk? They shouldn't have the right to raid an office in search of evidence which may be potentially destroyed? This all seems to be part of a basic allegation.

      On the flip side we can look at issues like the "terrorist" attack in Sydney last week, you know the one committed by a guy who was out on bail awaiting trial for 50 counts of sexual assault and accessory to murder?
      Or just look at the countless cases of destroyed evidence which appear in the news every day.

      I think the opposite to you. On an allegation any reasonable steps need to be taken to ensure they are investigated. People shouldn't be allowed to leave the country, offices should be raided. Otherwise it is simply too easy to avoid prosecution.

    • by Lehk228 ( 705449 )
      under the Cardassian system guilt and execution date are determined before the trial starts.
      • Exactly, it is neither fair nor just to put an innocent man on trial. To make an innocent man prove his innocence. Unless the justice system can prove that you are guilty, you should not be put through that. Look at Julian Assange, stuck in an embassy for years now, because he is wanted for questioning. The officials do not have to prove anything, they do not need anything to call you down to the police station to talk, and then you never leave.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Say all you want about innocent until proven guilty, but when when the government has the right to detain, raid, and otherwise completely interrupt/ruin your life on a whim or allegation, how is that fair?

      It's not. Life's not fair. The whole point of granting government a right to detain, raid (with a warrant), or otherwise interrupt your life is to grant them sufficient power to attempt to carry out justice. Ie, it's a compromise against either anarchy or a police state.

      Sure they cannot send you to pris

      • A common misunderstanding. Yes, the your guilt is decided before the "trial", but that is the whole point. The "trial" is an integral step where the government is required to show the populace, how it is metering out justice. To prove to them, and the accused, that justice is being done. This does not prevent a "trial" in the same sense as the West knows. They can still have a jury of your peers, if you are into that (though I do not think we were given any reason to believe that that happens on Cardassia),
        • by Anonymous Coward

          A common misunderstanding. Yes, the your guilt is decided before the "trial", but that is the whole point. The "trial" is an integral step where the government is required to show the populace, how it is metering out justice. To prove to them, and the accused, that justice is being done. This does not prevent a "trial" in the same sense as the West knows.

          Actually, it does. An integral part of a trial is that the accused has access to the evidence, the means of collection, and a means to defend themselves e

          • Actually, it does. An integral part of a trial is that the accused has access to the evidence, the means of collection, and a means to defend themselves even if it's as the people's expense. One can definitely argue that such a system still favors the rich and the prosecutor power is still very overwhelming, but that speaks more about refining the judicial process and not abandoning it in favor of a one-sided system where those who wish to "prove" guilty can manufacturer evidence and the person charged has no time or means to defend themselves.

            Most of this is handled in the Cardassian version of a trial. They go over all the evidence with you, and the public, show how they got it and everything. At this point, yes your guilt has been proven, but if you actually have any information that could exonerate you (if you have the ability to defend yourself better than a lawyer) then their is nothign stopping that from happening. People get proven innocent after being found guilty all the time, there is no reason this would change if we used a different

  • Which department of Samsung do the prosecutors work for? Legal?

  • by the_skywise ( 189793 ) on Saturday December 27, 2014 @12:15AM (#48678611)

    Obviously Maytag did it and framed LG!

  • I don't see how this is news that matters...

  • Looking for a dish of dirty little secrets, but everything was clean!

    Boom! Boom! :-)

  • by gnasher719 ( 869701 ) on Saturday December 27, 2014 @07:03AM (#48679177)
    Let's look at the facts: It is alleged that LG employees destroyed Samsung property in Germany. For starters, the only place where this should possibly go to court is Germany. None of the business of the Korean police at all. The crime happened in Germany. It's like one Korean CEO punching another Korean CEO in the face _in Germany_: We all enjoy it, and the first CEO would be questioned by police and go to court and possibly to jail _in Germany_.

    Second, offices of LG in Korea have been raided. What evidence did they expect to find? For a raid (which I assume is just a search with a warrant, and lots of police arriving because it is a big office), the police would have a reasonable expectation to find proof of a crime. Well, in Korea, there is of course another explanation: If Samsung calls the right minister whom they own, any search warrant will come forward immediately.

    But then a raid on an LG factory? What evidence in connection with a purported case of vandalism are the police expecting to find in an LG factory? Only possible explanation, same as above.

    CEO not allowed to leave the country? That's getting bizarre. Do they think he won't come back? Never heard of bail?

    I think it's getting time for LG to buy some politicians themselves. Worst case if someone gets convicted, they can then expect a pardon, like Samsung's ex-CEO (convicted for tax evasion).
    • That's a pretty big overreaction for breaking the door hinges on the showroom models. The LG people might have only been 'testing' the Samsung model to LG standards. As in, putting a lot of weight on the door to simulate really heavy dishes.

      There's an implication here: LG's door hinges are far stronger than Samsung's. If that is true, then the LG people have a viable defense, in that they didn't do anything that their own dishwasher couldn't handle. They are setup for demonstration purposes, and allowed to

    • by TobiX ( 565623 )
      There is a reasonable explanation, which you are failing to see. If LG employees were instructed to destroyed Samsung property by their employer, and if at some level LG personnel was dumb enough to write it down in an email or in a memo, police can find the evidence by raiding their Seoul offices, which is exactly what they did.
      • There is a reasonable explanation, which you are failing to see. If LG employees were instructed to destroyed Samsung property by their employer, ...

        But that is just an accusation without any shred of evidence. You shouldn't be able to get a search warrant just for an accusation without any shred of evidence. And you are not answering my first point: What does Korean police to do with damage that was done in Germany? Only German police should be involved with this, since the crime happened in Germany.

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