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Army Building an Airport Just For Drones 48

schwit1 writes The Army's ever-growing use of unmanned aerial systems has gotten to the point where two of the most commonly used UAS are getting their own airport. The service's Corps of Engineers at Fort Worth, Texas, has awarded a $33 million contract to SGS to build a 150-acre unmanned aircraft launch and recovery complex at Fort Bliss for Grey Eagle and Shadow UAS. In related news, the FAA has just cleared 4 companies (Trimble Navigation Limited, VDOS Global, Clayco Inc. and Woolpert Inc.) to use drones commercially, for purposes such as site inspection and aerial surveys. (A lot of drones are already in use, of course, but the FAA doesn't like it.)
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Army Building an Airport Just For Drones

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  • In related news, the FAA has just cleared 4 companies (Trimble Navigation Limited, VDOS Global, Clayco Inc. and Woolpert Inc.) to use drones commercially

    I guess now we know who pushes those "news stories" about all the near-catastrophic near-misses with all of the non-(Trimble Navigation Limited, VDOS Global, Clayco Inc. and Woolpert Inc.) drones.
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      I guess now we know who pushes those "news stories" about all the near-catastrophic near-misses

      The FAA is an example of regulatory capture [wikipedia.org]. It is run by aviators for the interest of pilots and aviation companies, who see drones as a threat to their businesses and jobs. So they push the stories that fit the narrative that drones are an evil threat. The FAAs regulations have become so draconian, that it is technically illegal to toss a frisbee.

      • The FAA is an example of regulatory capture. It is run by aviators for the interest of pilots and aviation companies

        I guess you've never heard that very old GA joke, "I'm from the FAA and I'm here to help you..."

        • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

          Exactly my thought. As a pilot, when you get an unexpected call, mail or visit from the FAA, you treat it like a cop showing up at your door unexpectedly. And often, you consult with AOPA, and an attorney first. Otherwise, you're likely to be grounded w/o due process.

      • I guess now we know who pushes those "news stories" about all the near-catastrophic near-misses

        The FAA is an example of regulatory capture [wikipedia.org]. It is run by aviators for the interest of pilots and aviation companies, who see drones as a threat to their businesses and jobs. So they push the stories that fit the narrative that drones are an evil threat. The FAAs regulations have become so draconian, that it is technically illegal to toss a frisbee.

        You must have a hell of an arm, because the FAA is only responsible for airspace above 700 feet AGL unless you happen to be on or very close to an airport, plus FAA typically only cares when it's a powered craft being used for commercial purposes. And, until there is a standard frozen-drone-through-the-inlet test on jet engines to prove that a strike would be survivable for the aircraft, they do have a duty to take action to prevent a mid-air collision that could kill many tens or hundreds of people.

        • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

          plus FAA typically only cares when it's a powered craft being used for commercial purposes.

          I agree with the rest of your comment, but this part isn't accurate, otherwise GA wouldn't even need a license.

          • plus FAA typically only cares when it's a powered craft being used for commercial purposes.

            I agree with the rest of your comment, but this part isn't accurate, otherwise GA wouldn't even need a license.

            The FAA has only pursued "drone" (R/C) pilots who stay below 700' AGL when they fly for commercial purposes (aka as a business). Plus, you can fly manned ultralights without a license; the FAA steps in with licensing when the craft is above a certain size or carries more than 1 passenger. So, yes and no. I should have said "The FAA typically only cares about unmanned flight when..."

        • You must have a hell of an arm, because the FAA is only responsible for airspace above 700 feet AGL

          No, this is wrong. The FAA has jurisdiction over any untethered flying object [vice.com]. Some of their regulations for manned aircraft specify the 700 feet threshold, but that is not a jurisdictional boundary.

      • Bullshit (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        As a pilot, in the drone industry ... bullshit. The FAA's job is to enhance the safety of aviation. The fewer people who can afford to fly, the safer. On the drone side of things, I've yet to work with anyone in the FAA, govt employee or contractor, who is a pilot or has any interests in flying beyond a means to get somewhere. On the other hand, they have a laser focus on safety, and aren't going to push out half-assed bullshit safety regulations to make the nascent drone industry happy. Simply put, to meet

    • by koan ( 80826 )

      Bingo, I'm glad to see others can poke through the propaganda.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    In the future, all conflicts will be unmanned battles interspersed with high-casualty WMD attacks on civilian populations.
    • by xmousex ( 661995 )

      ... paid for by Sony and other mega corps against small communist regimes.

    • by koan ( 80826 )

      To some degree, I think it will be more like things we see in William Gibson's novels (Mona Lisa Overdrive in particular) where corporations wage wars against each other.
      Though not too many civilian causalities.

  • Southwest already has a bid in on space. There will be a 30% discount on flights that don't require pilots.
    • by Hadlock ( 143607 )

      As they're finding out, the military drones are actually better at landing themselves, instead of letting the pilots land them remotely. Under ideal conditions it's very likely that a computer will be better than humans when taking off and landing. Computers can read and process sensor data a lot more efficiently than a human's eyes and ears. We're just made out of meat, after-all.

      • As they're finding out, the military drones are actually better at landing themselves, instead of letting the pilots land them remotely.

        Most commercial flights already do this with Cat 3 ILS.

      • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

        It's interesting that in 3D space (with aircraft) this works well, but it's taking much longer to do the same in 2D (land vehicles).

        • Airspace is mostly empty, and air traffic flows along well regulated routes, with many electronic aids/sensors (radar, glide slope & localizing beams for landings, etc.)

          The challenge of land vehicles are (1) the unpredictable, dense, environment, and (2) the signalling is mostly visual (lines, stop lights, etc.) which is hard for computers to interpret.

  • It's already bad enough that they feel entitled to their own flights, but do we really need extra airports for politicians?

  • surely the proper nomenclature would be aerial drone aerodrome .
    or at the very least, robot roost
  • Interesting (Score:4, Interesting)

    by koan ( 80826 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @12:53PM (#48573411)

    A full on drone base ont heborder.
    Grey Eagle
            Maximum speed: 150 knots (170 mph; 280 km/h)
            Endurance: 30 hours
            Service ceiling: 29,000 ft (8,840 m)
    Shadow UAS
            Maximum speed: 127 mph; 204 km/h (110 kn)
            Cruising speed: 81 mph; 130 km/h (70 kn)
            Range: 68 mi (59 nmi; 109 km)
            Endurance: 6 h/ 9 h Increased Endurance
            Service ceiling: 15,000 ft (4,572 m) ELOS (Electronic Line Of Sight)

    Border operations? I wonder what else.

  • by hessian ( 467078 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @01:16PM (#48573691) Homepage Journal

    That's nothing, democracy built a society of drones.

    Oh! You mean the robot planes. Sorry, my bad.

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