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British 'Porn Filter' Blocks Access To Chaos Computer Club 135

An anonymous reader tips news that the Chaos Computer Club's website was inaccessible for many internet users in the UK after being blocked by the filter set up to block porn sites. Additionally, Vodafone users are unable to access the ticket site to this year's Chaos Commuication Conference. In a post on its website, the CCC said, "Internet filters simply do not work, but leaving technical limitation aside, the CCC's example shows that unsolicited overblocking, meaning wrongly classified websites, is a common phenomenon in large censorship infrastructures. However, it may very well be that the CCC is considered 'extremist' judged by British standards of freedom of speech." CCC spokesperson Dirk Engling added, "We see this as proof that censorship infrastructure – no matter for which reasons it was set up, and no matter which country you are in – will always be abused for political reasons."
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British 'Porn Filter' Blocks Access To Chaos Computer Club

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  • Good grief. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Frosty Piss ( 770223 ) * on Saturday December 06, 2014 @06:52PM (#48539889)

    Porn filters... Really? Well, what do you expect from a country that has CCTV on every corner in every town, and an internal security apparatus that shames the NSA? We're not talking about Russia here...

    • by ihtoit ( 3393327 )

      the City of London* (which has a population of just 9,000**) has 619 cameras, which makes it the most densely CCTV'd population centre AND the most densely CCTV'd square mile in the world.

      *definition: that area inside the Lion bollards between Temple and the Mall
      **source: 2011 census

      • Re: (Score:2, Flamebait)

        The City of London has 9000 residents but about 500,000 people actually working there during the day.

        9000 residents and 619 security cameras sounds like OMG BIG BROTHER TROLOLOLOLWTFBBQHAX.

        The more realistic, 509,000 people and 619 cameras sounds much less dramatic.

        The definition of the City of London being in this case the boundary of the City of London.

        • Re:Good grief. (Score:5, Insightful)

          by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Saturday December 06, 2014 @07:27PM (#48540019) Journal

          The more realistic, 509,000 people and 619 cameras sounds much less dramatic.

          Not really. If you place those 619 cameras correctly (and I assume they did) in such a small area, I'll bet every single person who lives or works in that place gets their image recorded several times a day.

          Remember, the 500,000 people who come to the City of London to work every day have a limited number of routes to take to get there. A relatively small number of bus stops, train stations, parking lots, bridges and streets makes for easy work for the guys who are upskirting their own citizens' lives.

          I'm guessing it could be done with even fewer cameras.

          • Except for the bankers and child molestation murder cults among the elite. Nobody's watching them, apparently.

            • Re:Good grief. (Score:5, Insightful)

              by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Saturday December 06, 2014 @07:35PM (#48540049) Journal

              And before you ask for a citation regarding those child molestation/murder cults among the elite:

              http://www.theguardian.com/soc... [theguardian.com]

              http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/u... [mirror.co.uk]

            • Except for the bankers and child molestation murder cults among the elite. Nobody's watching them, apparently.

              So the banker molestation murder cults get away with their crimes. Not sure if a good or bad thing.

              • So the banker molestation murder cults get away with their crimes. Not sure if a good or bad thing.

                I bet if you had some quiet reflection and thought carefully about it, you could figure out whether or not child molestation & murder is a good or bad thing.

                Unless you are somewhere down the sociopathy spectrum, in which case you might not.

                • So the banker molestation murder cults get away with their crimes. Not sure if a good or bad thing.

                  I bet if you had some quiet reflection and thought carefully about it, you could figure out whether or not child molestation & murder is a good or bad thing.

                  Unless you are somewhere down the sociopathy spectrum, in which case you might not.

                  Note I didn't include the part about children. Read what you comment on before commenting.

                  • Oh, sorry. I completely missed the molestation murder joke there.

                    You're right. I say, dress the bankers up in short pants and sailor suits and drop them in a room full of Jimmy Saviles.

          • Re:Good grief. (Score:4, Informative)

            by ihtoit ( 3393327 ) on Saturday December 06, 2014 @07:42PM (#48540077)

            well, OK, how about London's 33 boroughs* controlling 7,000** cameras between them? Or the 500,000-800,000** privately owned/run CCTV cameras (not systems, individual cameras) operating in the same area?
            The 11,000** cameras operating on the Tube network?

            *combined population: 8.3 million (2013 ONS estimate)
            **source: BSIA

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        • by hawguy ( 1600213 )

          The City of London has 9000 residents but about 500,000 people actually working there during the day.

          9000 residents and 619 security cameras sounds like OMG BIG BROTHER TROLOLOLOLWTFBBQHAX.

          The more realistic, 509,000 people and 619 cameras sounds much less dramatic.

          The definition of the City of London being in this case the boundary of the City of London.

          Another way to look at is in terms of area.... The City of London covers about 1.12 square miles... If the cameras all cover ground level, them then the cameras could cover a grid with a camera spaced every 225 feet, or about one minute's walking distance.

          • Re:Good grief. (Score:4, Informative)

            by serviscope_minor ( 664417 ) on Saturday December 06, 2014 @11:00PM (#48540809) Journal

            Yep, but they're not scattered remotely uniformly.

            For instance there's a bunch in the big underpass system by the Monument, far more than one every 225 feet because it's an underpass with a few branches. They also tend to be scattered round the large, important buildings like the Gherkin. The ground plans are complex so to cover the area just around the building, many cameras are needed.

            All the little streets like Change Alley and Pope's Head Alley and whatnot have none whatsoever.

            Yes there are a lot but the chicken-little OMG BIG BROTHER ENGLAND IS WORSE THAN NORTH KOREA THE SKY IS FALLING types are basically spouting crap.

            Disclaimer: I only walk through the city of London every day on the way into work.

      • by Lumpy ( 12016 )

        Holy crap London is a tiny little town. my small town has 100,000 population and the nearest mid sized town has a population of 500,000 I never realized that London was equivalent to a backwater small town in the USA. What's the population of the UK? I'm betting NYC has more residents than the entire UK has if London only has a population of 9000.

        Or do you brits count people using the metric system?

        • That's the "City of London".

          It's not the city of London. It's a small, privately owned borough in the middle. It has it's own private police force (who are staunch advocates of strong copyright policing, surprise). It's the scene of many of the financial crimes of this and previous centuries, but curiously, these don't get too much attention from their own private police.

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        • by Maritz ( 1829006 )
          It's 8.3 million.
      • *definition: that area inside the Lion bollards between Temple and the Mall

        Er - that sounds more like Camden than The City. The City extends to the east of Temple; the Mall is to the west. Did you get your map of London from a Dan Brown book?

      • I work in the City of London and am glad of every single one of those cameras.

        We have experienced decades of people trying to - and often succeeding in - blowing up us workers. For a long time we had the IRA and now Islamic terrorists all wanting to inflict death and destruction on those of us going about our daily lives. This list (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_London) gives some idea of the scale and number of attacks London (not just the City of London) has suffered. If

        • by ihtoit ( 3393327 )

          "Abdul!"
          "What, Samir?"
          "We cannot do this thing."
          "Why not?"
          "Camera."
          "Shit. Let us go home and reconsider our lives."

          Yep. Totally see how that works.

          • Totally see how that works.

            Well clearly you don't totally see how the cameras would work.

            • by ihtoit ( 3393327 )

              did cameras save Lee Rigby? NO.
              did cameras save 52 London commuters on the 7 July 2005? NO.
              did cameras prevent Jamie Bulger from being buggered and decapitated and left on a railway track? NO.
              did cameras save Ian Tomlinson? NO.
              did cameras prevent Dunblane? NO.

          • Identified, arrested and jailed thanks to CCTV identification

            BBC News [bbc.co.uk]

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by norriefc ( 1998536 )
      The vast vast majority of CCTV cameras are privately owned, 1 in 70 are state owned (approx 800,000 which is still too many in my book) And as for porn filters, they are optional that the vast majority haven't opted into, the whole thing is bullshit, the only people it will be blocked for is people who opted into filters and I'd wager 99.999% of those who did opt in wouldn't be visiting CCC.de anyway.
      • We shouldn't give the benefit of the doubt to government institutions that won't do likewise. That they are harmless now is inconsequential. We should be outraged that anyone in government even suggest a censorship regime.
      • by ihtoit ( 3393327 )

        opt in? I didn't opt in for filtering yet I find thepiratebay.se is blocked.

        Who do I talk to to resolve this bullshit?

        • You're (willfully ? ) confusing two distinct issues

          One is the abhorrent court mandated (section 97A's) blocks which the ISP's just bend over and take
          The other (re this article) is optional web filtering that parents etc can use to prevent access to a wide (stupidly wide) range of websites
          They are both pointless in their own way but the section 97A's are the real concern (to me anyway)
    • Well, what do you expect from a country that has CCTV on every corner in every town

      We don't. The report that said we did had really poor methodology and a lot of speculation.

      Even then, the bulk of CCTV is in private shops. You have this in every country.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Will somebody please think of the children !!!

    • by ihtoit ( 3393327 )

      unfortunately they do, which is precisely why there are six million* public-facing CCTV cameras in daily operation around the country. That's one for every eleven people. Or, one for every two children.

      *that are known about/admitted to

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Just had the lamp-posts replaced around here- and there's a camera atop each (most people don't realise, because they think such a cameras sees 'around' the lamp-post itself , but each camera is designed to 'see' beneath a further lamp-post two posts down). People are informed, when they ask, that the visible camera mount is a 'radio aerial').

        Lamp-post cameras in the UK were first introduced during the last IRA scare many years back- I remember seeing the contract of an Asian supplier that had provided mill

        • having installed lamp posts since 2006, can tell you now that most of them have no camera equipment at all. don't do too much in london the area may be a little different but even then the cameras are easy to spot and are not integraded into the lights. that isn't to say that the hidden style don't exist but they are not even close to the norm and most streets (out side of town centres or main roads) don't have any cameras at all. tracking the rfid tags in tyres.. while maybe possible, the range of any log
        • by Lumpy ( 12016 )

          Shooting paintballs at the lenses of cameras works great. Build yourself a PVC paintball thrower and solve the problem.

    • If you're thinking of the children all the time, chances are you're a pedo.

  • someone get windows update block and then the filters will come down so fast your head will spin

    • Nah not really. Under 10% of internet subscribers have chosen to not opt out. Most people would never know if the filters went to crap.

  • CCC, XXX... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 06, 2014 @07:04PM (#48539927)

    CCC, XXX, what's the difference? The two keys are close to each other. Easy to confuse. Wait until WWW is added to the list.

  • Suprised *gasp* (Score:5, Insightful)

    by davydagger ( 2566757 ) on Saturday December 06, 2014 @07:08PM (#48539945)
    In china, the official reason for goverment filters is to block porn and malacious content.

    Its like someone doesn't learn lessons, not just from history, but from the present

    When do we start adding UK to the list of unfree states.

    • Re:Suprised *gasp* (Score:5, Informative)

      by serviscope_minor ( 664417 ) on Saturday December 06, 2014 @07:37PM (#48540057) Journal

      When do we start adding UK to the list of unfree states.

      You know that the filter is strictly optional, right?

      Being opt-out is stupid pandering to the "think of the children" morons who are too lazy to opt in to an opt in system which was present before (surprise! companies offered this service!).

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/tech... [bbc.co.uk]

      The proportions of people NOT opting out are:
      * Virgin Media - 4%
      * BT - 5%
      * Sky - 8%
      * TalkTalk - 36%

      (Note: TalkTalk offered the service as an opt in feature before the government waded in).

      The filter is a stupid and pointless thing to be mandated (as evidenced by the nubmers), but given the number of people opting out (almost all), chicken-littling over being like China is even more stupid than the filter itself.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Optional for how long? You're gullible if you don't think they'll make this mandatory, because 'terrorism'.

      • The fact that you have to actively opt-out is a problem all by itself.

        • Yes it is, but that still doesn't make it like china.

        • by Xest ( 935314 )

          It's not even applied to all ISPs. I don't have any of this and haven't had to ever opt in or out of anything.

          So sure you can go to one of the big 5 nanny state friendly ISPs and pay nothing for over-contended shit broadband with useless support when it goes wrong, or you can just go to one of the other 200 ISPs where none of this is even an issue.

    • by ebcdic ( 39948 )

      Yes, it's stupid, but it's optional and only exists for some ISPs. Hardly the great firewall of China.

    • The UK just banned video recording women sitting on guys' faces and/or vaginally ejaculating. It's officially the Empire of Evil.
      • by Lumpy ( 12016 )

        Yet most people there act like complete loons, I read Clockwork Orange, It's a manual on how brits act in their daily lives.

    • by ihtoit ( 3393327 )

      1972.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      The UK (along with the U.S) is already classified as an enemy of the Internet by the Reporters Sans Frontiers.

      What more do you want?

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    • I did so long ago. Not to mention that Cameron is not far away from Kim when it comes to pure stupidity and idiocy. And he doesn't even have any excuse like Kim.

  • What was that quote again? Never attribute to politics that which is adequately explained by stupid perl scripts?

  • by Required Snark ( 1702878 ) on Saturday December 06, 2014 @07:25PM (#48539999)
    There are plenty of examples of "bad behavior" on Slashdot. I've been accused of this myself, for not being "polite". So it seems obvious that it's only a matter of time until someone in London figures out that collectively Slashdot is a "bad influence" and it gets banned.

    Which side won the Cold War again? Oh yeah, "Ignorance is Strength". That side.

    • by buckfeta2014 ( 3700011 ) on Saturday December 06, 2014 @07:40PM (#48540069)
      games.slashdot.org is blocked by my work filter because "games". While slashdot does not contain any actual games, the word in the URL is enough to trigger the block. It also blocks gaming news websites as "games", despite being a news website. Add on top of that, randomly blocking electronic cigarette websites as "weapons". Filters are broken indeed.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    ...land of freedom.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 06, 2014 @10:38PM (#48540747)

    I remember a time, before _everyone_ had a mobile phone and there were still phone booths with phones in them.

    And every phone booth in London was plastered with ads for "escort" services. I could be wrong, but my impression at the time was these were really just thinly veiled ads for prostitutes.

    I haven't really paid attention the last few years, I don't know where they're plastering the ads these days.

    But yeah, filter the porn out.

    • by Anonymous Coward
      Ads are still posted in the phone booths, but almost exclusively for transexual prostitutes. Not sure why the market specialized like this, but you never know when you might need one. Somewhat quaintly the ads still only have telephone numbers, and do not have web or email addresses. In fact, some phone booths have the prostitute ads but no phone.
    • by Smauler ( 915644 )

      I haven't really paid attention the last few years, I don't know where they're plastering the ads these days.

      The Internet.

    • by Xest ( 935314 )

      Even in the UK growing up before the world wide web was a thing you'd just wander on down to the closest building site where the builders often left porn mags lying around or go round to the kids house whose dad creepily collected page 3 girl pictures to find it.

      It's always been a nonsense and always will be, kids will find porn whatever you do. You can't legislate natural curiosity away.

  • VPN
  • In related news, access to pr0n continues unimpeded.

  • I'm wondering how Scunthorpe Council is getting on. Did they get blocked, again?

  • Because the hysteria over this is idiotic.
    • There is no "British porn filter".
      • The filters are sold as "parental controls"
      • The filters are run by the ISPs and not the government.
    • In this case a total of three of them actually blocked the site.
    • "Hacking" is a default category.
      • While blocking "CCC" may be an overbroad application of this filter it does provide information on a lot of subjects that would assist a would-be hacker.
    • The filters aren't opt-out. You make a choice when you set up your connection. It i
    • So ... UK parents want to keep information about online security from their kids? What is this, a branch of the Southern Baptists?

      • They want to keep kids off hacking websites. These are not very technically minded people.

        So yes. I'll concede that this is probably an overbroad interpretation of "hacking" which is why only 3 ISPs actually listed it as such, and one of them chenged their mind.

        "3 private companies miscategorise CCC as 'hacking'" is hardly a major news story.
    • It's a bit complicated. We've got multiple filters.

      First, there's Cleanfeed. This is the most opaque of them - it's purpose is to filter out child pornography. Due to the sensitive nature of the filter, it's highly secretive - the list is secret, the methodology is secret, there's no appeals process, and no requirement to notify sites they have been classified as child porn. This is the one that made news a few years ago when someone classified a Wikipedia page as child pornography.

      Secondly, there's the ant

  • Except ccc.de isn't actually blocked. I'm visiting a friend in the UK right now and have no problem reaching ccc.de through PlusNet nor do I have any trouble reaching it through an EE mobile internet connection.

    • by Begemot ( 38841 )

      Maybe the selection algorithm is nondeterministic or its input includes user's location, history and some other personal shit.

  • Given the demand, there'll always be supply, one way or another.
    And I hope it will not take the form of rape and harassment.

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  • I clicked on a link someone had posted on Twitter that was to my own research (statistics research) on ScienceDirect. My British ISP (EE) blocked it on grounds that it is "adult content". Whatever content filter they are using is dangerously bad.
  • What? Someone already posted an I told you so comment? Well.... We all told you so.
  • At least things aren't as bad as when the "Scunthorpe Problem" was rife! Those are days I'm glad to have behind me.

    Running a school network and suddenly finding that you are unable to email colleagues or browse websites with Essex, Sussex, Wessex or Scunthorpe in their addresses was annoying... but having to explain this to the ISP who implemented the block was a challenge. Techs there just didn't seem to be able to get their heads around the concept of a SUB-string being a problem (they thought their filte

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