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Fox Moves To Use Aereo Ruling Against Dish Streaming Service 210

Posted by timothy
from the crossing-the-streams dept.
An anonymous reader writes A day after a surprise U.S. Supreme Court decision to outlaw streaming TV service Aereo, U.S. broadcaster Fox has moved to use the ruling to clamp down on another internet TV service. Fox has cited Wednesday's ruling – which found Aereo to be operating illegally – to bolster its claim against a service offered by Dish, America's third largest pay TV service, which streams live TV programming over the internet to its subscribers and allows them to copy programmes onto tablet computers for viewing outside the home.
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Fox Moves To Use Aereo Ruling Against Dish Streaming Service

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  • Re:Big Difference (Score:3, Insightful)

    by ThatsMyNick (2004126) on Sunday June 29, 2014 @04:16PM (#47346301)

    They dont have re-transmission rights. It costs extra obviously.

  • by GoodNewsJimDotCom (2244874) on Sunday June 29, 2014 @04:29PM (#47346345)
    There are people who make money with outdated systems that technology decimates. These horse and buggy people would love to see the Internet removed completely. This is why you see places like NBC not streaming the Olympics to everyone on the Internet, but only to cable subscribers. Sure NBC could make a boat load by putting localized advertisements in. People would have made out too if NBC put the Olympics on the Internet because they could watch the events they want when they want instead of waking up at 2 am. NBC is in bed with Comcast though and just wants more cable subscriptions instead of providing a quality service. And Comcast is afraid that if people stream quality programming, that more people will cord cut. So there's little incentive for Comcast to provide better Upload/Download speed. The RIAA from what I hear is making tons of money suing everyone they can, even local places in the sticks are getting sued for using non licensed music in karaoke. Some people would benefit if the Internet ceased to exist completely. This is the same as people who would have benefited if the automobile never got invented.
  • Re:Big Difference (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Richard_at_work (517087) <richardprice@@@gmail...com> on Sunday June 29, 2014 @04:40PM (#47346373)

    They have retransmission rights, apparently its the re-retransmission rights that are the problem.

    Users have the right to record TV content for personal use.

    Then users should record TV content for personal use - which isn't the same as what Dish are doing, as they are retransmitting their own recording of the content. Time shifting is perfectly legal under fair use for your own use, but not when you do it for someone else.

  • Re:Big Difference (Score:3, Insightful)

    by AK Marc (707885) on Sunday June 29, 2014 @05:39PM (#47346619)

    Time shifting is perfectly legal under fair use for your own use, but not when you do it for someone else.

    So I can fix my own house, but I can't pay anyone to fix it for me without paying 50% of the repair cost to the original builder. Sounds fair.

  • Re:Jurisdiction (Score:5, Insightful)

    by fafalone (633739) on Sunday June 29, 2014 @10:01PM (#47347643)
    The problem is you're hung up on the idea of what's legal and/or right. Think of it more along the lines of the mafia. The family running the corner bodega has nothing to do with the mafia, but they're forced to pay for the mafia's "protection services" not because of the mafia's legal right to enforce their policies, but because they have people willing to use coercion to enforce it. The only option is to get someone with more power/force behind them who is willing to stand up; for the bodega owner, that's the police. But there's no one with the power to stand up and force the United States to back down. So the US enforces global jurisdiction because IT CAN. It even prosecutes its own citizens who break US laws in countries where the activity that occurred is legal.
    Now I know your first thought might be, well we're not going to use our military against Canada/France, but we have many other forms of coercion. We can and will forbid a particular financial institution to do business with US-based businesses and individuals, so that is the force that keeps them in line.
  • by Slartibartfast (3395) * <kenNO@SPAMjots.org> on Sunday June 29, 2014 @10:41PM (#47347767) Homepage Journal

    But you're not. (For the record, I work for $MAJORCABLECOMPANY as an engineer in the group... well, under discussion. So I'm somewhat informed.) Case in point: the ability to use a song in a movie for theatric release is not the same as the ability to use the song when released on DVD. Likewise, songs played on the radio cannot (unless, of course, specified) be willy-nilly copied for downloads in podcats. The biggie, of course, is region-enforced blackouts for sporting events.

    I could give more pertinent examples, but I also like my job, so I guess I'll have to take a pass. But trust me: it ain't as easy as you'd like to make it out.

  • Re:Jurisdiction (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Catbeller (118204) on Monday June 30, 2014 @08:41AM (#47349639) Homepage

    "How can the government of country A fine a company from country B any money when that company's dealing has NOTHING to do with country A in the first place ???"

    Empire. Rules of an empire. We've thousands of nukes, hundreds of military bases in a hundred+ counties, and we create every single "treaty" that governs our actions. You are either a vassal, or a cooperating and subordinate power.

    Americans are fine with this idea. They never leave home much, and even if they did, they would not mind the hate. We are the fhining City on the Hill, the Nation Favoured by Providence, the people chosen by God Almighty to lead the world to a perfect age, so that Jesuf can come back, deftroy the world, hurl the unbelieverf and the wicked into the Pit of Fire for ever and ever and build a new Fhining City of Gold for uf, the chofen, to live with Jefus forever, along with perhaps a few foreigners who listened to the Holy Word of America.

    If you don't understand the news coming from America, the above is THE explanation. You need no others; it is not hyperbole. And it will get so much worse.

  • Re:Jurisdiction (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Catbeller (118204) on Monday June 30, 2014 @08:44AM (#47349663) Homepage

    The US writes all the treaties. Amazing how that works.

  • by Catbeller (118204) on Monday June 30, 2014 @08:48AM (#47349675) Homepage

    Those consequences were quite intended by the broadcast industry which sued Aereo. Only Scalia, amazingly, got it right when he warned they were after this endgame. Blind adherence to the tiny details of the law give us this stinking pile to live with, just as when they ruled that eternal copyright was fine as long as there was *some* time limit mentioned, even if it was a century, even if the limit would be eternally extended, as it just obviously had been.

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