Declassified Papers Hint US Uranium May Have Ended Up In Israeli Arms 165
Lasrick (2629253) writes "Victor Gilinsky and Roger J. Mattson update their story on the NUMEC affair to take into account the recent release of hundreds of classified documents that shed additional light on the story. In the 1960s, the Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC) was found to be missing about a 100 pounds of bomb-grade uranium. Based on available evidence, Gilinsky and Mattson are convinced that the material ended up in Israel nuclear bombs. The newly release documents add more to the story, and Gilinsky and Mattson are calling on President Obama to declassify the remainder of the file."
Isn't this story ancient? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Agreed, this is known to just about anyone with an interest in nuclear proliferation issues, or the history of post 1948 Israel.
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I am pretty sure some was sold to Iraq. Hell, we sold them planes, tanks and other shit back in the 80s, why not Uranium?! I bet that is how we 'knew' they had WMDs. We just looked at their receipt.
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We "knew" they had WMD's because they used poison gas on their Kurds, just like the Syrians did.
Do remember that poison gas is a WMD, and under US policy is treated exactly the same way as nuclear weapons.
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We "knew" they had WMD's because they used poison gas on their Kurds, just like the Syrians did.
We knew they had poison gas because we kept the receipts. We knew they didn't have poison gas any more because they had already used it, and it was very old.
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That would be funny, except it's bullshit because the seller gives the receipt to the purchaser.
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Oh boy: grammar nazi vs actual nazis. Who'll win?
Yes, I know Baath weren't literally nazis. And this isn't actually about grammar. Oh, man, now you're going to call MY joke "bullshit". I hate to tell you, but "funny" has come and gone before the brain starts processing issues like the one you raised. I think the "funny" posts should be exempted from the usual slashdot arguments about the details.
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"Do remember that poison gas is a WMD, and under US policy is treated exactly the same way as nuclear weapons".
In the sense that the USA maintains enormous stocks of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons? Presumably the policy you refer to is "let's have more of them all".
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I also wouldn't be surprised if any wound up in Chinese, Russian or Indian arms as well. I am pretty sure some was sold to Iraq. Hell, we sold them planes, tanks and other shit back in the 80s, why not Uranium?! I bet that is how we 'knew' they had WMDs. We just looked at their receipt.
Iraq? No, not that I know of. Iran though, I'm positive we sold arms to them back in the 50's, 60's and early 70's
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So far it's just you talking... that's such a weird pattern, this fantasizing about opponents who never show up... your motives may be pure, but your equipment is kinda broken.
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Yes, and? You see, when the condescension is warranted, it's kind of your problem. When you start out with condescension and then whine about condescension in return, that's your problem and my comedy.
Common Knowledge (Score:5, Informative)
I thought this was well known, just unofficial.
Hell, it even made a Tom Clancy novel!
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Loooong before Tom Clancy wrote it, Ken Follet wrote "Triple". A truly amazing book.
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Read up a little basic physics and you will see that the top of the building fell faster than it would if it were free falling in a vacuum
Yes, the secret government conspiracy equipped the building with an alien gravity booster. Only then, it brainwashed a dozen or so of dedicated terrorists who already hated the USA (and wanted to attack it) to hate the USA (and attack it). :-p
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From what I understand, the buildings collapsed the way they did because of the particular way they were built. They had central support columns instead of a traditional exterior steel frame, and the intense heat from the fire caused those central columns to fail.
Basically, the WTC didn't fall like a normal skyscraper, because it wasn't a normal skyscraper
Were they insured? (Score:5, Funny)
I mean, how do you report that to your insurance agent anyway?
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+1
if only I had mod points.
100 pounds? (Score:3)
You sure that's not missing a few 0s?
One hundred pounds is more than enough (Score:1)
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My understanding is that modern or more modern versions of nuclear weapons are hundreds of times more efficient then the ones dropped in WWII. This is due primarily to a change in the ignition design from one that used explosives to ram fissionable material into another fissionable material called a gun type to one that used heat and X-rays from a more easily created fission reaction to ignite a second fission reaction in an enormously more efficient and reactive way. I think this second type is called a b [wikipedia.org]
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100 pounds of enriched uranium is a lot.
https://xkcd.com/1162/ [xkcd.com]
This article is Antisemitic, please delete (Score:5, Funny)
This is quite disgusting of Slashdot to be spreading bigotry and hate in this day and age. This article should be removed immediately for spreading antisemitic conspiracy theories.
Re:This article is Antisemitic, please delete (Score:5, Insightful)
The worst part of debating Israeli issues on the internet?
I have no idea whether this guy is kidding.
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Perhaps this is one of the most piercing forms of trolling?
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Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked.
Intelligence. Wisdom. Common sense. (Score:3)
"--- You must be this intelligent to ride the internet. Shorter riders must be accompanied by a parent or guardian."
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I actually would not blame the Israelis for this being funny. Same for non-Israeli Jews. Some of the more nationalistic strains of Orthodox Jews can be quite sensitive to criticism of Israel, but they are a definite minority and tend to get stared down by less unreasonable folks.
In my experience the people who conflate criticism of Israel with Anti-Semitism most often are actually white Conservative Catholics, and White Evangelicals. Stephen Harper pretty much said this flat-out while speaking in the Knesse
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The term have been redefined. Idiotic but true.
Good for them. (Score:4, Insightful)
Actually, I have two oppinions on this matter
1.) if a country is in possession of nuclear weapons,
they should join the nuke arms test & proliferation ban
Israel should join this treaty.
No army and nobody should own nuclear weapons.
And Mordechai Vanunu should be given the chance to go exile.
2.) Israel is a special case
a.) The country is actually nothing more than an airstrip, from north to south it's approx. 200km wide. If aggressors try to invade it's a really short walk.
Or just four thermonuclear devices to split a country.
b.) Israel would never use the nuclear bomb as a first strike option. This can be seen as it never officially admitted having nukes, but everybody knew. It's a much critized politic style - but it worked - and choses nukes as a means of mutually assured destruction or retaliation.
So actually I'm ok with Israel having nuclear weapons and german fuel cell drivin subs to launch them.
But to be clear on the other point when it comes to Israel:
I'm absolutely not ok with the politics Israel undertakes towards the palestineans, the actual worst enemy for peace in Israel( In my count Gaza and west jordan area are part of Israel) is the whole politics of blame and shame.
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Look up the Samson option. Israel plans on nuking every major European city they can if Israel falls. They are holding us hostage and forcing us to support their government.
An ideal that is good shouldn't require the threat of annihilation just to get others to go along with it.
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I've read the Samson option, and don't recall that particular strategy ever coming up there. Would you care to give a page number?
It is true (at least according to said book) that Israel let US spy satellites take photos of missiles ready for launch in 1973, to push the US to lift the weapons embargo on Israel, and again in 1991, to nudge the US to start doing something about Saddam firing ground to ground missiles at civilians. In both cases, however, I don't think anyone thought the missiles were aimed at
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The problem with that option is that, for it to work, it would have to be publicized, and it isn't. If I have plans to secretly get your dog killed if you don't upmod me on /., it isn't going to affect your use of your mod points. Revealing a plan to nuke European cities would result in a good deal of covert response intended to nullify the threat, or if it seemed imminent a series of air strikes on known or suspected Israeli nuclear sites.
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I'm absolutely not ok with the politics Israel undertakes towards the palestineans, the actual worst enemy for peace in Israel( In my count Gaza and west jordan area are part of Israel) is the whole politics of blame and shame.
That's nice and all, but maybe you can get the palestinian's government to explain why they're so pro-genocide in their teachings. With the various terrorist organizations, which were elected actively supporting said teachings, and taking money from the countries in the region to wage a proxy war. And while you're at it, perhaps you can explain why the BDS movement is so anti-Israeli while said organizations actually hire and pay said palestinians not only a good wage, but an amazing wage. All the while
Re:Good for them. (Score:5, Insightful)
I think it might be because at the start of every peace negotiation, Israel announces a new illegal settlement project in the West Bank.
Gaza and the West Bank are basically open air prisons. Do the prisons in the US make prisoners a better fit for society, or merely drive them further into anti-social lifestyles?
Every new building in the West Bank needs almost impossible to get Israeli approval. Those who dare to build houses without approval get there structured knocked down by armored bulldozers.
Gaza has a hard time getting raw materials shipped in to build buildings. Any farming they do will probably be destroyed by Israeli armed forces.
Now let me ask you, if someone urinated on your face and you weren't into that, would you be grateful for them to do it, or will it piss you off? Asking him to stop just makes him aim it closer to your eyes. His buddies come up and beat the shit out of you if you dare strike back. They then join in the urination party. This is the Israeli-Palestinian relationship.
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Well let's be realistic then shall we? Technically they're not beholden to anyone to not build on the West Bank, being that it was a captured territory. Useful point, that much of it was already bought previously and before 1940. And every time that they gave land up--end when it was fully productive the palestinians fully destroyed it, looted it, and went on their way instead of taking it over and using it to bolster their own economy.
Gaza and the West Bank are "open air prisons" of their own making. T
Re:Good for them. (Score:5, Insightful)
I tried to look up some cases of Palestinians destroying factories but I couldn't find any in the Google search results. It consisted mostly of Israelis destroying Palestinian factories and farms, or a Palestinian concrete factory that recycled rubble from bombed out structures from Israeli raids. Please enlighten me with some links.
I took a look at the statistics a while back and Israelis are more likely to die from an automotive accident on their Israeli-only highways that web throughout the West Bank than from any Palestinian attack.
I've looked at the structures that Palestinians like to construct. Thick walls, preferably earthbound if possible. Now while one might think that this is a horrible crime, it is the only way to build a structure that doesn't require air conditioning in the region. Air conditioners typically require electricity and it isn't like the Palestinians can count on Israelis to not bomb out their infrastructure.
"Hmm, they bulldozed my house for the fifth time. Perhaps I should build something that's a bit more costly for them to destroy this time." Unfortunately they don't realize that the Israeli military is subsidized by the American and German tax payers and thus won't stop the Israelis from just using a bunker buster missile without second thought. They just need to say it was a weapons factory or a terrorist's bunker and all is forgiven.
If I had driven one of my neighbors to do all of that, I'd deeply reflect on my own actions and wonder if building my house right in his front yard and then bulldozing his down was the best course of action.
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Oh, get fucked already, racist. Israel is nothing more than a colonial operation from Zionists who have been living in Europe for hund
Re:Good for them. (Score:5, Insightful)
That's nice and all, but maybe you can get the palestinian's government to explain why they're so pro-genocide in their teachings. With the various terrorist organizations, which were elected actively supporting said teachings, and taking money from the countries in the region to wage a proxy war.
Absolutely.
Israel is actively occupying Palestine and stealing the Palestinian's land.
Look at the racism that occurs against Hispanics in the US due to them taking some crappy jobs. Is it a surprise that a nation that's been constantly losing it's land to self-identified Zionists for over 100 years is going to end up really antisemitic? Having Palestinians spontaneously turn into a nation of Ghandis isn't a realistic prerequisite for peace in the middle east.
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Israel is actively occupying Palestine and stealing the Palestinian's land.
Yeah and that happened around the 6 day war (pre occupation) against a bunch of people who wanted to wipe out the jews. The Palestinians were on the wrong side of that war. ut that only happened because balh blah etc etc.
Basically pointing the finger at this point is a useless thing to do. Both sides have been colossal cunts and both sides have made some deeply unwise decitions. Pointing fingers is easy because for each act one has
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Do you really think this? That the people that want to wipe out _Israel_ (a state) necessarily want to wipe out the Jews? I know this is how many like to portrait the situation but it isn't the impression I've got from people that want Israel removed as a state. In fact such a suggestion gives a surprised reaction and a response that that would be morally and against their religion.
Israel is a state that was started with terrorism and that still support and actively use terror. I don't think the west should
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Do you really think this? That the people that want to wipe out _Israel_ (a state) necessarily want to wipe out the Jews?
There are certainly plenty of people out there who do want to wipe out all jews.
And do you really think if they wiped out the government of Israel and annexed the lands, they'd just integrate all the citizens into their country?
I know this is how many like to portrait the situation but it isn't the impression I've got from people that want Israel removed as a state.
Depends on who you tal
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Israel is actively occupying Palestine and stealing the Palestinian's land.
Yeah and that happened around the 6 day war (pre occupation) against a bunch of people who wanted to wipe out the jews. The Palestinians were on the wrong side of that war. ut that only happened because balh blah etc etc.
Basically pointing the finger at this point is a useless thing to do. Both sides have been colossal cunts and both sides have made some deeply unwise decitions. Pointing fingers is easy because for each act one has done, the other has done something worse.
But it makes for fun slashdotting.
You need to point the finger to understand why they're fighting.
The Palestinians in 1948 had a valid grievance, for decades while the British ruled Palestine they allowed European Jews to buy up huge chunks of the country with the goal of creating a friendly Jewish state in Palestine, then the UN partition made it official with a split they didn't agree to. The Palestinians (and sympathetic Arabs) also had a valid grievance in 1967, after the war in 1948 they fled or were expelled from huge portions of Isra
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Indeed. At no other time in human history have the two world's greatest superpowers performed an act of colonialism for the benefit of refugees and settlers from another continent.
Hardly. An enemy of peace is the farce to pretend the two sides have equal grievances, or deflect from the crimes committed upon Palestinians by the crimes committ
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Wake up, Blame & Shame .. it's what you are doing right now, you are running around in circles and complain about that you cannot advance.
But yes, israel is too blame for many things, so is the Hamas & Fatah, because suicide bombers against civilians are murder, as well as bombs against civilians.
My point is: both sides have blood on their hands, so they both need to find a way to solve their conflicts.
But one fact remains, Israel is stronger by any means, accept it, why Monty Python:Live of Brian
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That's the exact sort of "both sides are guilty" handwaving bullshit that I'm talking about. You wouldn't pretend that the Jews and the Spanish Inquisition were "equally guilty", nor would you for the Popes who forced Jews into ghettos, nor the Russian Czars that waged pogroms on them. So stop pretending that Palestinians aren't the victims and the Zionists aren't a
Sum of all fears (Score:2)
Tom Clancy told us this in the Sum of All Fears, the great book; not the horribly butchered movie...
As the evidence increases, the Nuclear NPO Treaty (Score:1)
When are we going to put sanction on Israel over their Nuclear Arms program?
Don't be right be smart (Score:2)
Nothing much has changed in the last 30 years. The US still has intrests in Israel and the middle east. Everyone knows Israel has nuclear weapons but can't prove it and that is just the way Israel likes it. Israel was on the brink of extinction in 1973 and no WMDs were used this proves remarkable self restraint. Accusing Israel of a 50 year old crime would serve no practical purpose. It would hurt relationships with Israel it will harm the peace process it would harm the fight against WMDs because it would
100 pounds (Score:2)
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Missing one hundred pounds of bomb-grade uranium? (Score:2)
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How does weapons-grade uranium go "missing", don't they mean someone stole the uranium ..
Um, hello..... half-life???
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-- "CIA’s conclusion at about the same time that Israel previously stole bomb-grade uranium from a US naval fuel plant" ref [nybooks.com]
I'm shocked. Shocked! (Score:2)
To discover that one of the USA's middle eastern client states might have been provided with the materials for nuclear weapons just in case the USA had to throw a bomb or two at a particularly stubborn oil producing country without making the USA itself an immediate target for nuclear retaliation.
Re:Someone call Ben Affleck (Score:4, Interesting)
Theres a lot of evidence linking the Israelis to the South African nuclear weapons program with a lot of people thinking it was a "legitimatised" nuclear program that would only get SA into trouble internationally while Israel could walk away with a lot of improvements scot free, so if US technology and material ended up in Israeli hands, then I have no doubt equally that some of it then made its way on to apartheid South Africa.
Re:Someone call Ben Affleck (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes there's been official disclosure from the South African end.
No need to make a big deal about apartheid. We still put up with Israel doing it.
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No need to make a big deal about apartheid. We still put up with Israel doing it.
Give it a rest, will you?
Arabs have a strong representation in the Knesset (parliament) and a higher standard of living than Arabs living anywhere else in the Middle-East. Not to mention the various other minorities in Israel which are literally being slaughtered in the surrounding Arab countries but finding refuge in Israel.
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Actually, Israel is set to pass a new law that will effectively disallow Arab parties from running for elections. There is systematic anti-Arab racism in Israel, it won't end soon, and the Palestinians don't even have human right as far as Israeli courts are concerned.
Bullshit. References?
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False as always. The "Strong Arab Presence" is 1/128th while representing 33% of the population. And that isn't ALL arabs, only those who have sworn allegiance to the Jewish State. All told, the "democracy" in Palestine represents only 41% of the total population.
Everyone else is without proportional representation.
You might want place the blame where it's due. Arab leaders have repeatedly instructed their people to abstain during votes. You can't have representation in government if your people refuse to vote for you :)
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No. It does not.
The Christian ethnically cleansed the region of Jews, then the Arabs came and did the same. The Arabs of 1946 are not natives of the region by any stretch of the imagination. They did the same in Egypt. Hint: Today's Egyptians have nothing to do with Egypt's native population from a thousand years ago. They are just Arab colonists who invaded the area and ethnically cleansed it of non-Muslims.
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The Arab-Israeli conflict is neither sweet nor simple. But slander of either side does not help. There is no color line in Israel.
Actually, in terms of skin tone, Israeli Jews have more different shades than the Arabs.
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South Africa gave up its nuclear program after the fall of the apartheid regime.
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The Ukraine voluntarily gave up their nuclear weapons and look at their current predicament. Thanks to Putin violating the treaty under which the Ukraine gave up their nuclear arsenal no country in the world is going to give up their nuclear weapons. On a side note if there is one country in the world that actually needs nuclear weapons it is Israel. They live in a region where everyone around them is taught to hate them practically from birth.
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Ukraine's current predicament was created by the the US government. They orchestrated and funded the coup. Here's a leaked phone call of Victoria Nuland, Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, and Geoffrey Pyatt, US Ambassador to Ukraine, discussing which puppet they're going to install in the new Ukrainian government, and worrying about when Russia will respond.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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The US didn't conquer Ukraine. The EU as usual has created this mess. Their continued incompetence is both embarrassing and dangerous. As far as orchestrating any uprising goes exactly how does the US government force the actions of thousands of people? Threaten to nuke them? Deposit thousands of dollars in everyone's checking account? It's so much easier to blame the US or Russia when it's the people on the ground that are making the decisions and carrying out the actions. Although in this case Russia isn'
Re:Someone call Ben Affleck (Score:4, Interesting)
Around 2000 there was a huge fuss about a top secret US tank fire targetting system that was stolen from the hardware that was donated to Israel, sold to China and then on-sold to Iran. Apparently even the thieves were pretty upset about that outcome.
However nuclear stuff makes people a bit more careful about keeping tabs on things.
Re:Someone call Ben Affleck (Score:4, Informative)
The Israelis have a long standing relationship in trading military hardware with the Chinese. Another example is their air-to-air missiles the Rafael Python-3 which is manufactured in China under license as the PL-8.
I do not know exactly why the Israelis do this thing. If it is strictly for profit or if it is because they want to have a backup in case the US for whatever reason stops supporting them. Probably both. At one point their major weapons suppliers were the UK and France but after the Suez Crisis botch up the UK withdrew support. France kept selling them weapons until their other major costumers, the Arabs, said they would no longer buy weapons from them if they also sold to the Israelis. So they became reliant on the US for most weapons systems.
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In the long run, there are no allies, just business relationships.
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The Chinese have 'issues' with Muslims wanting their land as well.
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Clancy touched upon the rumor that nuclear materials made it from the USA to Israel. There is also a rumor that the transfer included technology and designs and a few working warheads just to get them up and running quickly.
There is no way the Israelis would give away or lose the material you say?
The premise of Clancy's novel is highly unlikely. We don't officially acknowledge Israel's possesion of nuclear weapons. But if one was lost in hostile territory, if Israel didn't go in to recover it, we would. It wouldn't serve global politics well to find US part numbers in an Israeli
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True, plus they wouldn't have had it swanning around unescorted near possible SAM sites in the first place. (Speaking of the film; haven't read the book)
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The US government is run by jews.
No, the reality is that the US government as well as the Israeli government are run by criminals.
And since the Israeli are alway protected by their sugar daddy, they can commit the most heinous acts without repercussions on the international scene. Yeah it's almost a given they have nuclear weapons. Israel is as bat shit crazy country as they come (some of it justified, most of it not).
Maybe the US should ask that uranium/plutonium back. And while they're at it impose the kind of economic sanctions they the
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The Israelis would use a nuclear bomb as a last resort to keep what they have, a tiny strip of land.
Their adversaries and a few other rogue states and groups are not above using a nuclear bomb to get what they want, a tiny strip of land or even the whole western world.
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I agree that the Israelis would only use the bomb as a last resort - just don't see how they could do that and still keep their strip of land. Besides, if the issue is preventing Israel's enemies from getting their own nukes, and one of the primary reasons those enemies can cite for pursuing them is "Israel has them, so why can't we", then the best way to end the middle east arms race would be for israel to give up its nukes in exchange for a US promise to retaliate against any nuclear strike against them.
Perhaps Israel didn't trust the US as an ally in the 60's, but they have no other reliable friends now - so they better start trusting us.
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Why bother trusting the US when they can simply use AIPAC to bribe our representatives into doing what benefits them?
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That's it just skip away from the facts that the world trusts the Israelis not to do crazy things with nuclear weapons and we don't trust Iran, etc in the same way.
Just skip into backbiting.
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I'm sorry, but I don't trust those in power in Israel as far as I can throw em.
So speak for yourself. Many people believe (rightly so, IMO) that Israel is just as bat shit crazy as its neighbors.
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:) great argument!
You have convinced me!
In the Ukraine... (Score:4, Insightful)
...we're seeing that, when push comes to shove and certain people are in charge, the "promise" of the United States doesn't mean squat [wikipedia.org].
Nukes in the hand are worth an infinite number of promises and strongly-worded letters...
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I agree that the Israelis would only use the bomb as a last resort - just don't see how they could do that and still keep their strip of land.
Well, if the US has all the ICBMs only for defense, why have them when they won't have their strip of land either after an attack regardless of whether they use them or not? Same logic.
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I agree that the Israelis would only use the bomb as a last resort - just don't see how they could do that and still keep their strip of land. Besides, if the issue is preventing Israel's enemies from getting their own nukes, and one of the primary reasons those enemies can cite for pursuing them is "Israel has them, so why can't we", then the best way to end the middle east arms race would be for israel to give up its nukes in exchange for a US promise to retaliate against any nuclear strike against them.
Perhaps Israel didn't trust the US as an ally in the 60's, but they have no other reliable friends now - so they better start trusting us.
If I was the Israelis, I would not trust the USA, even to the extent of pausing a meeting to go for a bathroom break. All too often the USA has let down its partners, and screwed them left, right and center.
Suppose Israel had the weapons (which so far, they have never claimed to have) and they gave them up. As Israel is a small country, comparable to Rode Island in size, would Israel exist by the time the USA reacted? I can just imagine the haggling in Congress as the months go by to decide if they shoul
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Their adversaries and a few other rogue states and groups are not above using a nuclear bomb to get what they want, a tiny strip of land or even the whole western world.
The construction of this statement is priceless if not vague, inaccurate and worthless. The intersection of adversaries of Israel and lunatics particularly is quite laughable.
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Oh?
From parent following statements are valid:
I don't know exactly who is considered "adversaries of Israel" I do know there are some dozen countries who don't recognize Israeli passports and more than half will either throw you in jail or not let
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But no, we don't agree.
I did cast a wide net, the adversaries of Israel might or might not be the same as the rogue states.
What they do have in common is a wish to drive Israel back into the sea and they usually consider The West an accomplice of Israel or vice-versa.
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The use of the nuke for the Israelis is to preserve their land to continue living on it. I would agree having nukes is a deterrent. The risks of nuclear fallout seem the greater risk.
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This land was taken by force, and the natives (continue to be) interned and executed. The surrounding areas do not pick on Israel because the people are Jewish, but because those who call themselves Israeli commit both crimes and crimes against humanity. Start with this book bt prof Chomsky:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fateful_Triangle
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You also seem blind for the recurring fact no Arab government wants to admit these well educated Palestinian refugees in their own country.
This all does not make good the illegal settlements the Israeli's continue to build on what effectively is occupied Jordanian and
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I would say there is a slight difference.
The Israelis would use a nuclear bomb as a last resort to keep what they have, a tiny strip of land.
Their adversaries and a few other rogue states and groups are not above using a nuclear bomb to get what they want, a tiny strip of land or even the whole western world.
Which strip of land? Israel or the West Bank? I agree that Iran has said some worrying things and Israel seems a nice place to live filled with generally pleasant people. But they are without a doubt the aggressors in the current conflict and having nukes is one of the factors that has emboldened them to adopt such an extreme strategy. Now their enemies having nukes is a really scary proposition because Israel has adopted an extremely aggravating position predicated on the idea that their enemies are powerl
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The Israelis would use a nuclear bomb as a last resort to keep what they have, a tiny strip of land.
The real concern though is how far are they willing to go these threats. People who believe a higher purpose guides their destiny have a diminished sense of responsibility and should never be allowed to possess nuclear armaments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S... [wikipedia.org]
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This happened almost 50 years ago, seriously, who cares?
Those who do not understand history are doomed to repeat it.....
Personal anecdote . . . (Score:2)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G... [wikipedia.org]