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French, German Leaders: Keep European Email Off US Servers 115

Posted by timothy
from the at-least-those-countries-don't-spy dept.
jfruh writes "In her weekly podcast, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said she'd be discussing European email security with French President Francois Hollande. Specifically, in the wake of the NSA spying revelations, the two leaders will try to keep European email off of American servers altogether to avoid snooping. This comes as Merkel's government faces criminal complaints for assisting aspects of the NSA's programs."
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French, German Leaders: Keep European Email Off US Servers

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  • Favorite part (Score:4, Interesting)

    by TheCarp (96830) <sjc@caRASPrpanet.net minus berry> on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @09:56AM (#46274969) Homepage

    > This comes as Merkel's government faces criminal complaints for assisting aspects of the NSA's programs."
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    My favorite part of the whole thing is that they are facing criminal complaints for assisting the NSA, all while having also been spied on by the very people they assisted. Hmm a happy satisfied feeling from seeing others get what has been coming to them? I believe the Germans just might have a word for that.

  • by saibot834 (1061528) on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @10:21AM (#46275175) Homepage

    You mean if one were to send an email from Munich to Paris, it'd cross the Atlantic and come back?

    NSA aside, that's a pretty sucky setup.

    It's how the Internet works. To quote directly from the experts: A target's phone call, e-mail or chat will take the cheapest path, not the physically most direct path. [wikimedia.org]

    Physical distance is not as important as congestion on the routes. So it might very well be that your data takes a much longer path that what you'd think, simply because it uses the fastest way, not the shortest.

    Angela Merkel's approach is pretty idiotic, and it cannot fix the problems. First of all, most emails are routed through the US either because the sender or the recipient has an American email provider (Germans love Gmail, too). Secondly, even if that is not the case, can you be sure that the NSA doesn't spy on traffic in Frankfurt [wikipedia.org]? It wouldn't surprise me.

    Only true end-to-end encryption can be a solution. The government in Germany is currently pushing for DE-Mail [wikipedia.org], which relies on transport encryption only. So that means that your email provider can still snoop and so can the German government, which is probably the reason why they designed it like that in the first place. End-to-end encryption would have been possible, especially since the German government is spending much money rolling out their own PKI, with keys for every citizen right on their new national ID card.

    There's a presentation [media.ccc.de] about DE-Mail from last December's Chaos Communication Congress, it's worth watching (video also has an audio track with English translations).

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @11:00AM (#46275463)

    Very much this. Hey, I do agree with cold fjord for once!

    As disgusting as the whole Snowden revelations about NSA are (and as much as I think the whole NSA/Homeland "Security" thing has gotten out of hand and should be put under strict democratic control), the "secret services" this side of the pond (and their apologists) are (mis)using the whole scandal to further their dirty little agendas.

    I won't forget that it was Merkel's party which pushed for horrid data retention laws across the whole of EU. I won't forget that the ruling parties in the UK want pre-emptive DNA collection on "troublesome" school kids.

  • As a Canadian (Score:4, Interesting)

    by denisbergeron (197036) <DenisBergeron@@@yahoo...com> on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @11:02AM (#46275471)

    It's even a law in Canada to prohibe company with data on canadians people to avoid any storage/transport of these data using any IT infrastrure in the USA.

  • Re:As a Canadian (Score:3, Interesting)

    by BlazingATrail (3112385) on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @11:10AM (#46275519)
    Privacy laws in Canada do not prohibit transferring personal data to US. It's a common misconception.
  • Re:As a Canadian (Score:5, Interesting)

    by FireFury03 (653718) <{gro.kusuxen} {ta} {todhsals}> on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @11:22AM (#46275609) Homepage

    It's even a law in Canada to prohibe company with data on canadians people to avoid any storage/transport of these data using any IT infrastrure in the USA.

    The data protection act has restrictions on exporting data... In my experience pretty much everyone is ignoring those restrictions when it comes to migrating to "cloud" services, and that's not going to stop until people start getting hit by big fines.

  • Re:As a Canadian (Score:4, Interesting)

    by denisbergeron (197036) <DenisBergeron@@@yahoo...com> on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @11:46AM (#46275839)

    The fact is that the privacy law prohibit transferring personnal data outside Canada. Period. And, except from some west reformist, Outside-Canada include the USA.

  • by cold fjord (826450) on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @12:00PM (#46276005)

    It would have been hard for measures taken after 9/11 to have prevented 9/11, wouldn't it? I take it that didn't register when you were writing that nonsense?

    There are no guarantees. The work of law enforcement and intelligence agencies only make it less likely that a successful attack will occur. But people still keep trying, and get arrested. In fact there have been hundreds of arrests and convictions on both sides of the Atlantic. If you want to ignore facts, that is up to you, but don't expect me to ignore them as well.

    I don't think anyone should be fearful, but rather informed, and take sensible precautions against enemies that announce their intent to kill when they can manage to do so in the US and Europe much like they already to in Africa, Asia, and the Middle East.

    The bullshit is entirely coming from you, including the claim that I work for the government. Apparently the distance between your ears isn't sufficiently wide to accommodate the idea that of the millions of people that have accounts on Slashdot that at least one of them could have views similar to my own. Those views are shared by no small number of people in the West.

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