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Was Julian Assange Involved With Wiretapping Iceland's Parliament? 167

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from the lets-have-a-listen dept.
An anonymous reader writes "Wired reports that the chat logs between Bradley Manning and Julian Assange that were used as evidence in Manning's trial have made it onto the web, at least briefly. One of those logs contained something very interesting on page 4, which was picked up on by the News of Iceland, which reports, '"Jesus Christ. I think that we have recordings of all phone calls to and from the Icelandic parliament during the past four months". This text can be found in documents that the US military published on its website and is said to be part of the conversations between Julian Assange and Bradley Manning. According to the documents, Assange claims to have phone call recordings from Althingi, the Icelandic parliament, but this is the first time that the existence of such data is mentioned publicly. ... According to Icelandic laws, it is required to inform the person you are speaking with if the phone call is being recorded. Given that the parliament is not violating laws it is clear that Assange or his associates would have to have installed recording devices or wiretaps in the parliament.' — What makes it even more interesting is that Wired also reports in this recent story: Someone's Been Siphoning Data Through a Huge Security Hole in the Internet."
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Was Julian Assange Involved With Wiretapping Iceland's Parliament?

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  • Install wiretaps? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 13, 2013 @04:10AM (#45678269)

    Eh, why do you think Assange et al need to install anything? They just got the logs from the evil-doers... I wonder who that might be?

    • by daem0n1x (748565) on Friday December 13, 2013 @07:54AM (#45678993)

      But it's a lot funnier if the whole summary is already a flamebait, full of unsupported bullshit.

      It saves a lot of work for the trolls here in the comments.

      • by berashith (222128)

        agreed. Why would we just assume that a government entity isnt breaking any laws. That wasnt a safe assumption years ago, and now that we have proof many times over, then I am not going to jump to a conclusion of who placed the mics. We only know that the information was found.

        • by daem0n1x (748565)
          I quit Slashdot some time ago because all the stories were flamebait pieces of shit like this one. After some time, it seemed to have improved, so I came back. Looks like it's becoming a cesspit again. Who the fuck is approving this shit?
          • Slashdot was already going downhill and dice pushed it over the edge. Half (or more) the "articles" are just click bait.

            Used to be you could come to slashdot for an intelligent discussion. Yeah, clicks drive revenue, but when all the readers disappear there won't be anyone to click.
  • No (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 13, 2013 @04:11AM (#45678273)
    • Re:No (Score:4, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 13, 2013 @04:20AM (#45678309)

      Precisely. Also, consider the source:

      This text can be found in documents that the US military published on its website and is said to be part of the conversations between Julian Assange and Bradley Manning.

      Maybe it's just me but I'd take whatever the US military says with a metric ton of NaCl.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        This. Next probably: Snowden spotted clubbing baby seals...

        • Bradley Manning announces he wants a sex change on his first day in prison...oh wait...

          • (first day of his prison sentence...I shouldn't suggest that he didn't spend ages in solitary confinement w/ suicide watch protocol while waiting for his trial)

      • by mdielmann (514750)

        I can just see the conversation...

        USMil: We have Assange discussing logs of the Icelandic Parliament!!
        Slashdotters: Who was he talking to?
        USMil: Bradley Manning!
        Slashdotters: And did Assange say where he got those logs from?
        USMil: Um...Bradley Manning?
        Slasdotters: And where exactly did Bradley Manning get those logs from?
        USMil: No more questions! This press release is over!

  • WTF? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 13, 2013 @04:12AM (#45678279)

    Assange mentions wiretap records and they assume _he_ did the wiretapping?

    Is it not possible, nay likely, that he _was given_ the wiretaps in the Manning data dump?

    How exactly would Manning tap all lines into the parliament?

    Why would he even try, given that he had friends in that parliament - couldn't they tell him what the scuttlebutt was?

    • Manning said he had nothing to do with the logs for the parliament in the chat logs. It was allegedly Assange making the statement. Apparently Assange was multitasking and mentioned it.

      • by bytesex (112972)

        I think this is why he said he would claim asylum in Iceland at first - remember that? - thinking 'I have a nice scoop for the people there on the activities of the NSA'.

    • by gl4ss (559668)

      the chat log could have had mentions of other leaks sent to them in it.

      and who would wiretap iceland parliament? well depending on the day everyone from banksters to gangsters...

      though, come on, they could use just any .txt file they wrote up as evidence and just label it as essential ops for national security. I mean, who's going to testify otherwise. friggin nobody, that's who.

    • Re:WTF? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 13, 2013 @05:11AM (#45678493)

      The claim has been for a long time, that Manning is not a whistle blower, because he did not only leak the incriminating information, but an unfiltered dump. I.e. he did not read through the data himself.

      Then Assange receives it, and while talking to Manning - and presumably looking at the data they are talking about - notices complete wiretapping data.

      Why isn't the most obvious explanation that the data Manning sent to Assange happened to contain wiretapping data, and the source of that data (the US government, not necessarily the military, Manning was surprised to find out how much data he had access to) had been doing the wiretapping?

      Would anybody be surprised today, if it turned out that e.g. the NSA has been wiretapping foreign governments?

      • Re:WTF? (Score:4, Informative)

        by DMiax (915735) on Friday December 13, 2013 @10:03AM (#45679495)
        Manning didn't leak from the NSA. He leaked classified information from the Army. In fact in this same chat he points out that he has nothing to do with the wiretaps. I know it's hard, but let's keep our scandals straight.
        • by mdielmann (514750)

          Okay, you gotta pick one. The US Army is wiretapping foreign governments (Iceland), as well as the NSA (Germany)?? Wouldn't Occam's Razor indicate that the US Army got their wiretapping logs of Iceland from the NSA? Doesn't that seem somewhat more plausible to you? That two branches of the same government would share some amount of information?

          Or are you suggesting that Assange was releasing sensitive government information, screwing around with numerous women, and wiretapping foreign governments, and t

    • Re:WTF? (Score:5, Funny)

      by sjames (1099) on Friday December 13, 2013 @05:55AM (#45678617) Homepage

      Haven't you heard? He can tap any line in the world just by whistling into a payphone!

    • by TheCarp (96830)

      > Assange mentions wiretap records and they assume _he_ did the wiretapping?

      It is their job to make that assumption; this isn't about truth, its about spin and justification of whatever they want to do to him. Truth isn't for when you are talking about your enemy.

      > Is it not possible, nay likely, that he _was given_ the wiretaps in the Manning data dump?

      Seems unlikely. I mean, sure it could have happened. It could be something US agents did and she managed to get his hands on, but I don't remember any

  • by rastos1 (601318) on Friday December 13, 2013 @04:12AM (#45678281) Homepage
    How does it follow that the recording devices were installed by Assange? It just says that Assange/Manning had the recordings. Not that they actually planted the bugs.

    (fp?)

  • Uh, problem... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 13, 2013 @04:16AM (#45678293)

    "Given that the parliament is not violating laws it is clear that Assange or his associates would have to have installed recording devices or wiretaps in the parliament".

    This last sentence makes no sense. You are leaving out a huge possibility. Someone else could have done this, and leaked it to WikiLeaks.

    • The first clause in the sentence is hugely questionable - why should the Icelandic government not break laws like every other government?
  • Why would he? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DMiax (915735) on Friday December 13, 2013 @04:17AM (#45678295)

    Why would Assange wiretap the Icelandic parliament and how could he? I doubt he has that powerful connections up there.

    The obviously more likely explanation is that some spy agency (like NSA or counterparts) did it, and it has been leaked to Wikileaks. Notice how he looks surprised upon finding it out, so that Manning feels like pointing out that he wasn't the one who leaked it "*had nothing to do with that one*". So neither knew how the records were obtained in the first place.

    Now one wonders: who would be able and willing of doing such a thing and who would have an interest in pinning it to Assange?

    • Re:Why would he? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 13, 2013 @04:30AM (#45678363)

      Notice how the summary also tries to equate this with the hijacking of internet traffic through Iceland. Attempting to imply Assange was responsible for that too. Pretty obvious that the anonymous reader who submitted this has a bit of an agenda.

    • by kbg (241421)

      >Why would Assange wiretap the Icelandic parliament and how could he? I doubt he has that powerful connections up there.

      Actually he had an Icelandic person known here in Iceland as Siggi "the hacker" working for him, and he was actually implicated in a hack attempt at the parliment:

      "In January 2011, Thordarson was implicated in a bizarre political scandal in which a mysterious "spy computer" laptop was found running unattended in an empty office in the parliament building. "If you did [it], don't tell me

  • by frovingslosh (582462) on Friday December 13, 2013 @04:25AM (#45678331)

    it is clear that Assange or his associates would have to have installed recording devices....

    Hold on. They conclude that from Assange suddenly stating "Jesus Christ. I think that we have recordings of all phone calls to and from the Icelandic parliament during the past four months" ???????? How can anyone honestly conclude that? Assange seems to express surprise when he realizes what he has, surprise that he would not have if he had been wiretapping and recording. Assange was routinely getting leaked information. My conclusion would be that someone leaked this information to him, not that he had been wiretapping Iceland. And who do we know that has been spying on their friends and enemies alike, along with their own citizens? I'll give you a clue, it is someone with a 3 letter name that a whistle blower might want to expose.

    • Jesus Christ. I think that we have recordings of all phone calls to and from the Icelandic parliament during the past four months

      I stop expecting much when they can't even copy a quote correctly... It gets the gist across, but isn't exactly what was said.

      >jesus
      >mm?
      >looks like we have the last 4 mothers of all audio to all phones in the .is parliament.
      >s/mothers/months

      That actually sounds more interesting to me... But definitely says nothing about him placing anything anywhere.

      • I think they tried to translate it from internet-dialect to something a bit more formal.

        Internet-dialect makes english teachers cry.

  • Wait, wait, wait. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Max Threshold (540114) on Friday December 13, 2013 @04:52AM (#45678439)
    Go back to that part where parliament is not violating laws.
  • Classic law of journalism strikes again: Any time a head-line starts with a question, the answer is 'no'.
  • by MRe_nl (306212) on Friday December 13, 2013 @05:40AM (#45678567)

    An anonymous reader writes.

  • by korbulon (2792438) on Friday December 13, 2013 @05:50AM (#45678599)

    Goose, meet gander.

    Pot, meet kettle.

    Glass house, meet stone.

    Turnabout, meet fair play.

    Goes around, meet comes around.

    Sowed wind, meet whirlwind.

    Dances-with-devils, meet the piper.

  • by PhilHibbs (4537) <snarks@gmail.com> on Friday December 13, 2013 @06:15AM (#45678679) Homepage Journal

    Assange had gun cam footage from US helicopters in Iraq. Clearly he's been sneaking into military bases and installing cameras in the helicopters. They never showed that in the movie!

    • by HnT (306652)

      You have got to be on to something because, see, this also works equally well as it does for the summary!

      "Given that the parliament is not violating laws it is clear that Assange or his associates would have to have installed recording devices or wiretaps on US helicopters in Iraq". Undeniable right there!

  • Is it possible that the USA could start seeding whistle-blower's leaks with information that would put them at further risk of legal prosecution? /Stolzy
  • by AC-x (735297) on Friday December 13, 2013 @06:42AM (#45678765)

    Why would anyone who was actually involved in the wiretapping sound surprised when he found the wiretapping data he allegedly made? It makes no sense.

    What does make sense is if either the leaked cables also contained this data, or someone else leaked the data to wikileaks but they hadn't got round to looking at it yet.

    • by mdielmann (514750)

      Why would anyone who was actually involved in the wiretapping sound surprised when he found the wiretapping data he allegedly made? It makes no sense.

      What does make sense is if either the leaked cables also contained this data, or someone else leaked the data to wikileaks but they hadn't got round to looking at it yet.

      Well, to be fair, if I (someone not in the security industry, working alone, and with limited resources) tried to wiretap the entire Icelandic Parliament and it actually worked, I'd be pretty fucking surprised, too. And my next stop would be to buy a lottery ticket. Just one.

  • Given that the parliament is not violating laws

    That's not "given" at all.

    it is clear that Assange or his associates would have to have installed recording devices or wiretaps in the parliament

    a) It's not remotely clear even if we do accept the premise above
    b) If it was true he probably wouldn't be quite so surprised at finding all those recordings.

  • Assange posted footage of an Apache helicopter crew murdering innocent civilians. How could he possibly have that footage if he wasn't involved in the murders? It is clear that Assange or his associates would have to have installed the video recording device in the helicopter.

    • Assange posted footage of an Apache helicopter crew murdering
      innocent civilians. How could he possibly have that footage
      if he wasn't involved in the murders? It is clear that
      Assange or his associates would have to have installed
      the video recording device in the helicopter.

      It's also quite clear that the unauthorized video recording device caused the trigger to be pulled, shooting all those people. Since the only possible way for this to happen is for Assange to have set up a remote control trigger pull on the camera, it's obvious that Assange killed that van full of kids!

  • by sporri (70882) on Friday December 13, 2013 @07:04AM (#45678847)

    Here goes, sorry about the references in Icelandic.

    In 2010 an unmarked laptop was discovered in an empty office at Alingi connected to the local network, the parliament offices are adjunct to the main building. The computer was running but after being shut down by employees of Alingi it self destruct and forensics did not come up with anything. ( http://www.dv.is/frettir/2011/1/20/grunur-um-njosnir-althingi-dularfull-tolva-fannst-i-audu-herbergi/). Around the same time that the computer was discovered Julian Assange was working in Iceland cutting the videos that would become Collateral Murder along with member of parlament Birgitta Jonsdottir and a group of other people on of which has been known in Iceland as Siggi hakkari (Siggi the hacker) a 17 year old boy with, well truth be said, very limited morals (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/06/wikileaks-mole/all/) Siggi was at the time giving information to the FBI as well as running for Wikileaks and running his own scams, stealing money (http://www.visir.is/-og-bdquo;siggi-hakkari-og-ldquo;-grunadur-um-milljonasvik/article/2013130609737) and is now applealing a case where he was sentenced for sexual crimes against a seventeen year old boy (http://www.dv.is/frettir/2013/11/19/siggi-braut-sautjan-ara-pilt-WRMWNX/) He's a dubious caracter this Siggi. Peronally I dont think that Wikileaks had any access to real data from Althingi and that was part of Siggi's scams to get into the Wikileaks crowd and, believe it or not, the offices of Alingi are not breaking the law about recording phonecalls.

    Then there is the case of the jumping packages, which is totally unrelated and has been well documented in Icelandic (http://ruv.is/sarpurinn/spegillinn/26112013-0) basically the Icelandic telecom (síminn) had faulty equipment in Canada that advertised wrong BGP routes between the 31st of july until the 22th of august and as they did not have prefix filters in place in some other endpoints these routes got advertised to the internet. There are long personal discussion threads about this on facebook in direct communications between the technicians working at the Icelandic telecom and some of the other telco's in Iceland. These guys know their stuff and have no reason to take part's in cover-ups for hackers as the community of networking experts in Iceland is very small and these guys know each other personally.

  • Its a test to see if the sheeple count has gone down and how far.

  • It is possible this was the work of Siggi "the hacker".
    http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-06/28/wikileaks-mole [wired.co.uk]
    He was fired from Wikileaks after he transferred money from Wikileaks to his personal account. He then contacted FBI and was thought he was to be used as some kind of bait for Wikileaks. He has then been connected to number of other shady deals here in Iceland. I believe he is currently in Prison for a sexual assault.

  • First, this is obviously a disinformation / smear campaign.

    More importantly this scenario is one of the truly terrifying scenarios involving a super-power entity with unlimited control over the web. Such an entity could, at will, create guilt on the part of anyone merely through creating false access and activity logs and creating then smuggling in electronic "evidence' that they later "discover".

    This level of control and aggression against citizens
    who are clearly not terrorists is part of the slippery slo

  • Oops, looks like little Bobby Tables visited their site....
  • IIRC the manning story as told by the press claimed that Manning also had access to files from the state department. And the state dep is a place where intercepted foreign gov communication might be useful...

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