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NSA Scraping Buddy Lists and Address Books From Live Internet Traffic 188

Charliemopps writes that the Washington Post reports "The NSA is collecting hundreds of millions of contact lists from all over the world, many of them belonging to Americans. The intercept them from instant messaging services as they move across global data links. The NSA is gathering contact lists in large numbers that amount to a sizable fraction of the world's e-mail and instant messaging accounts." According to the leaked document (original as a PDF), the NSA is intercepting some chat protocols and at least IMAP, and then analyzing the data for buddy list information and inbox contents.
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NSA Scraping Buddy Lists and Address Books From Live Internet Traffic

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  • Re:Foreigners (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Sockatume ( 732728 ) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @08:57AM (#45131121)

    The US government doesn't have any special obligations with regards to not stabbing every non-American in the world with a pencil, but that doesn't mean that it's acceptable for them to do so.

  • Clapper... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by surfdaddy ( 930829 ) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @08:59AM (#45131141)
    Clapper was the guy who lied to Congress, saying that the NSA was NOT collecting data or spying on US citizens.

    What the FUCK has happened to this country?

  • Re:Isn't it ironic (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Ogi_UnixNut ( 916982 ) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @10:13AM (#45131785) Homepage

    I ask you, why did we even fight the Cold War, and win it, if we were just going to embrace everything at a later time?

    You are making the mistake of assuming that the cold war was fought between lovers of freedom, democracy and individual rights, vs totalitarian all controlling power hungry nut jobs.

    Truth of the matter is, both sides were all controlling power-hungry nut jobs, and the cold war was a fight over who gets to be the all-controlling big-daddy of the world.

    The problems with the Soviets is that they laid their system bare, they didn't bullshit. This is how life is, these are your rights, if you're a party member, or if you work to benefit the system, you will be rewarded with perks (Nicer houses, cushy jobs , nice car, sometimes even nice German/American ones).
    If you don't work for the system, but not actively against it, you are pretty much left to your own devices, live and let live, and all that.
    If you work against the system, directly or indirectly (or you piss off someone in power), then you can be arrested, tried, stuck in prison/work camp, or otherwise disappear.

    Now the western system, that was far more subtle. They told you you were free, they gave you the impression you were, that you could choose who ruled you, but fundamentally I don't think the systems were different, like so:
    If you work for the system, or to its benefits, you are rewarded with more tokens than most (currency) with which you can spend on bigger/nicer houses, or a nice foreign car, etc...
    If you ignore the system and go about your daily life, you are pretty much left alone. You earn your keeps, pay your dues, and you live you life.
    If you work against the system, directly or indirectly (or just piss off someone high up and well connected), you can be arrested, tried, put in a prison/work camp, or disappeared (via drone or otherwise). For minor misdemeanors they can just destroy you financially, which is another, less radical lever they have against you.

    Turns out, when push comes to shove, people are more willing to serve you if you give them the illusion of freedom, choice and power. One ideology was in your face, the other was in the background. Turns out this worked well for a long time, until the internet came around and made knowledge dissipation so easy, that people began to realise what their world really looks like.

    For some the revelations were not a surprise, for others it was a confirmation of what they suspected, but some are in shock about it all, and more are in denial about it.

  • by Wycliffe ( 116160 ) on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @03:15PM (#45135291) Homepage

    >
    > In fact, given that routing tables grow exponentially, is it even theoretically possible for a full peer-to-peer Internet scale mesh to work?
    >

    If current routing tables can't scale then maybe a different type of routing table or a different solution entirely is needed.
    For instance if every router was location aware and knew it's geographic location and the geographic location of the place it was
    trying to reach it could send the encrypted packet in the general direction with the knowledge that each node would get it
    one step physically closer to it's destination. Large hops is still a problem but large hops is really only a problem with stuff
    that needs to be close to real-time. For email this isn't really much of a problem as even a 5-10 minute delay or longer isn't
    really a big deal.

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