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Saudi Justice: 10 Years and 2,000 Lashes For Internet Video of Naked Dancing 537

Posted by timothy
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An anonymous reader writes with a link to The Huffington Post, which reports "that a Saudi man was sentenced to 2,000 lashes and 10 years in prison for dancing naked on the roof of a car and posting the video online, according to multiple reports. Three other men were also sentenced to three to seven years in jail and hundreds of lashes each for the incident, Agence France-Presse reported, citing Arabic-language paper Al-Sharq. The four men were hit with a number of charges, including "encouraging vice" and violating public morality, according to the report. The prosecutor in the case, which was heard by a judge in Saudi Arabia's conservative Al-Qassem province, reportedly objected to the sentences for being "too lenient," Gulf News notes. The video was reportedly circulated widely on the Internet, but could not be found by The Huffington Post."
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Saudi Justice: 10 Years and 2,000 Lashes For Internet Video of Naked Dancing

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 10, 2013 @09:55AM (#45090825)

    Did you see just how bad their dancing was? That is worth 2000 lashes.

  • by h4rr4r (612664) on Thursday October 10, 2013 @09:58AM (#45090861)

    I get that they have oil, but come on already. This sort of crap should simply not be tolerated by the west. We should not sell them arms or have diplomatic relations with these kinds of states. They abuse women, have a cave man's idea of a criminal justice system, are a theocracy and fund terrorism. What else do they need to do before we decide to stop tolerating their shit?

    • by gstoddart (321705) on Thursday October 10, 2013 @10:02AM (#45090939) Homepage

      What else do they need to do before we decide to stop tolerating their shit?

      Stop having all of that lovely oil?

      When your former presidents are business partners with them, that tells you a little about why nobody is really pushing them on this.

      Follow the money.

    • by c (8461)

      What else do they need to do before we decide to stop tolerating their shit?

      Run out of oil.

    • by somersault (912633) on Thursday October 10, 2013 @10:03AM (#45090963) Homepage Journal

      They abuse women, have a cave man's idea of a criminal justice system, are a theocracy and fund terrorism. What else do they need to do before we decide to stop tolerating their shit?

      Are we still talking about Saudi Arabia?

    • by ja (14684)
      The US funds them to have its bases there. The fifth fleet, for example, is headquartered in Bahrain of all places and would be kicked out the instant the oppressive regime was overturned. Smile and be happy while it lasts.
    • Just the other day there was a story about the US having more oil and gas than Saudi Arabia, and somebody commented that the EU still needs Saudi oil, so I responded that perhaps the EU should deal with their own problems then.

      The groupthink mods on Slashdot still think the Marshall Plan is in effect. They ought to talk to the ghost of Charles de Gaulle about that.

    • The problem is thus:
      Almost every state sells arms or has diplomatic relations with every other state. Women are abused everywhere, almost everywhere there's a cave man's idea of a criminal justice system in place, many people are deeply religious, and many support one form of violence or another. What else do we need to do before we decide to stop tolerating our shit?

    • by Nyder (754090)

      I get that they have oil, but come on already. This sort of crap should simply not be tolerated by the west. We should not sell them arms or have diplomatic relations with these kinds of states. They abuse women, have a cave man's idea of a criminal justice system, are a theocracy and fund terrorism. What else do they need to do before we decide to stop tolerating their shit?

      Why the fuck is up to us to do something about it? Saudi can take care of it's own shit, and make it's own laws. They want to be stupid, let them.

    • This is where your suggested approach fails; if we have no relations with them and we isolate "barbarians" they will most likely only come to reject us and never learn any better. Like the odd kid in the school, if everyone shuns him there's a higher chance he'll become a bitter, resentful loner.
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Empiric (675968)

      I'm unclear on one point here, since you're using the broad term "theocracy" (any religion's government would be the same for all practical purposes? Taoism? Zen?)...

      The criminal justice system in the West is formed entirely from norms formed from its Judeo-Christian history.

      The cave man has no basis by which to consider any action better or worse ethically than any other action, and neither do you, today.

      Go ahead. Show me on the basis of Naturalistic evolution how anything about this, or anything else,

      • You're arguing that theocracies aren't inherently a bad idea?

        Ok. Look at it from this angle. In a theocracy, power is derived from some form of divine mandate, interpreted by the priestly class. The citizen has no recourse against any law or action, by definition.

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by Empiric (675968)

          Yes, I am arguing that theocracies aren't inherently a bad idea, primarily because of the fact they aren't inherently a bad idea.

          Including the context of the post I was responding to in this discussion, it is the responsibility of the person arguing against a "theocracy" to define it in a meaningful way and thereafter use it consistently.

          Since he/she didn't, I'll give you the opportunity again here--what do you mean by "theocracy", specifically? Again, if we are talking about all religions, are you suggest

      • by Khashishi (775369)

        The criminal justice system in the West is formed entirely from norms formed from its Judeo-Christian history.

        Show me a Western country that has a criminal justice system remotely resembling Leviticus.

    • Why do we bother with the barbarians?

      I don't know that we're so much better. Try that stunt in the US and you'll probably get arrested for indecent exposure or some other type of lewd conduct. That arrest will prevent you from working in certain professions for life, and many other decent jobs, too. Also, you'll have to register as a sex offender for life, which means you can only live in certain places, hardly get any job, be on the receiving end of vigilante "justice".

      We say that we don't allow cruel punishment here, and I get that whipping

  • or Harlem-shaking.
  • US justice (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Hatta (162192) on Thursday October 10, 2013 @10:01AM (#45090911) Journal

    10 years for growing the wrong plant.

    • Yes, growing what George Washington grew is now highly illegal. Except in the two states where it is now legal. And other states where self-medication with said herb is legal. But in the rest you get more punishment than rapists and murderers. Oh, please won't we think of the children?!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 10, 2013 @10:06AM (#45090999)

    10 years and 2000 lashes for dancing naked on film...
    8 years and 600 lashes for torturing and killing one's own daughter... [bbc.co.uk]

    • Interesting that you brought that up. While I'm very much against the "justice" system in Saudi Arabia, the case of that guy was blown out of proportion. According to this site [callingchristians.com] he is/was a drug addict (I wonder what inspired him to do drugs), and he never was a scholar.

      In any case, if he is found guilty he should receive the death sentence in an Islamic criminal justice system. As for this case, I'm not familiar with it, but what I do know is that prison sentences are rather rare in Islamic criminal justice

  • by themushroom (197365) on Thursday October 10, 2013 @10:12AM (#45091063) Homepage

    It could have been a woman with her face uncovered. Or a woman, period, driving the car naked. The sentence would be death by stoning and/or beheading.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqJDuZIcQ34 [youtube.com]

    Much better production values, and better acting.

    Yes the link is Safe for work.


  • If he would have been forcing himself on a woman he would have probably gotten off the hook and she'd be divorced and punished.

    What have we learned here? life is not fair, people are cruel and most of the world is still run by primitives.
  • Human rights. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Delusion_ (56114) on Thursday October 10, 2013 @10:35AM (#45091479) Homepage

    Human rights are not judged according to cultural relativism. Sharia law is a violation of human rights, regardless of the religion of the victim.

  • by qbzzt (11136) on Thursday October 10, 2013 @11:24AM (#45092177)

    Apparently, this crime is more serious than the torture and murder of a five year old, which only got 8 years and 600 lashes: http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/07/world/meast/saudi-arabia-girl-death/index.html?sr=sharebar_facebook [cnn.com]

  • by harvestsun (2948641) on Thursday October 10, 2013 @11:40AM (#45092387)
    You could go to jail for 10 years for posting a comment online which someone decides is a terrorist threat.

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