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Criminal Complaint Filed Against Facebook After Girl's Death 559

An anonymous reader writes "A prosecutor has opened an investigation into how Facebook allowed the publication of insults and bullying posts aimed at 14-year-old Carolina Picchio, who took her own life after a gang of boys circulated a video on Facebook of her appearing drunk and disheveled in a bathroom at a party. The Italian Parents Association has filed a criminal complaint against Facebook for allegedly having a role in the instigation of Carolina's suicide. 'This is the first time a parents' group has filed such a complaint against Facebook in Europe,' said Antonio Affinita, the director. 'Italian law forbids minors under 18 signing contracts, yet Facebook is effectively entering into a contract with minors regarding their privacy, without their parents knowing.''
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Criminal Complaint Filed Against Facebook After Girl's Death

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @08:13PM (#43845833)

    If that's how Italy wants to play the game, then Facebook should just require that all Italian nationals provide government identification in order to use Facebook. Then they can validate the user's age and ensure that their "contract" is legal.

    Stupid and silly, you say? I agree, but how else is Facebook - or any other website - going to ensure that they're able to operate in Italy?

    Yes, this may mean that many business simply won't be able to do business in Italy. Oh well. Italy can suffer for its own stupidity I suppose.

  • Pot, meet Kettle (Score:0, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @08:29PM (#43845933)

    Am I the only one that finds it hilarious that Americans - home of the most ludicrous legal system, and outrageous legal pursuits on the face of the earth - is calling this Italian group out for being ridiculous in this claim?

    This is a new world we're adapting to here. We have a long way to go in learning the dynamics of this social media-dominated age, but ultimately it will likely come down to governance of ethics (which is a good thing in my mind). In this case, I agree that the worst offenders are those that recorded/circulated the videos, or contributed to the events of that night, but is Facebook completely innocent in all of this? Maybe they are. Is Magnum Research innocent of the deaths of people killed with Desert Eagles? Probably. Is a guy making meth innocent of the deaths of people who OD on the drugs he makes? I don't know the legal answer to any of these questions, but I'm guessing a lot of people will die before we adopt a legal system truly based on ethics (it's supposed to be based on ethics in its current form, but clearly, it is not).

  • Blurred Boundaries (Score:5, Interesting)

    by TranquilVoid ( 2444228 ) on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @08:40PM (#43846013)

    Once again the internet blurs the boundaries between public/publishing and private. On one hand this is like complaining to the paper company because someone wrote a nasty note using one of their products. On the other hand web sites do control the means of publishing and bear some responsibilities.

    Note they are currently simply exploring. From the prosecutor: "This is an open investigation without named suspects, as yet. Facebook itself is not under investigation."

  • by ganjadude ( 952775 ) on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @08:51PM (#43846089) Homepage
    stop acting like you were the only one, im in the same boat but you know what.. i didnt, and you didnt either. Thinking about it is one thing, doing it is another, and i am sure you know that since you have also been a victim of bullies. I stand by my statement. bullies are not an accessory to the death, if they were you would have killed yourself, but you didnt, because you knew it was wrong.

    i have zero tolerance for people who self pity themselves to death and blame others for their misery
  • by girlintraining ( 1395911 ) on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @08:53PM (#43846099)

    If this was your kid and she got bullied so bad she killed herself what would you do?

    Firstly, I would have had my kid involved in extracurricular activities, had them assisting in chores and other things, and developed in them a sense of self-reliance and independence. A child that can do things for herself is not a child that can readily have their self-esteem destroyed by a bully. Such self-reliance would include self-defense classes; No girl should fear that a boy will assault her. Secondly, I'd track down the parents of the child bullying and explain the situation to them verbally and in person. If the parents didn't step up to the plate, I would explain to them in a non-verbal way my disappointment in their lack of parenting.

    But the one thing I wouldn't do is go off whining to the government or some parenting group about how my child was being bullied and, so enmeshed in my own ineptitude as a parent, allow the situation to worsen to the point my child committed suicide. I mean, really, as a parent how can you not see your child is struggling? You do whatever it takes to protect your family; You, not the government, you. It's called taking responsibility for the situation, and I would parent my child by example by showing that same self-reliant quality in my own involvement in the situation.

    But I would not engage in 'revenge'. That is the refuge of a coward; If I'm angry enough to fight someone, they're going to be facing me and they're going to be armed. And then they're going to lose.

  • by Capsaicin ( 412918 ) on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @09:16PM (#43846217)

    Completely relevant.

    Agreed, and moreover for the part of the complaint is that Facebook entered into a contract with the minor, the crap posted on any account would seem to be irrelevant. Really the question is whether agreeing to the ToS constitutes a binding contract in Italy.

    Facebook has no obligation to police content to comply with the laws of any nation except the USA.

    FB has an obligation to abide by the law of any country in which they do business. However that obligation would be enforceable only in countries in which they have a corporate presence.

    Everyone else can fuck right on off.

    Comity: look it up!

  • by whoever57 ( 658626 ) on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @09:24PM (#43846271) Journal

    Italian Prosecutor. Enough said.

    By any chance is this the same Italian prosecutor that went after Amanda Knox?

    Imagine for a moment, the thought process of an Italian prosecutor:
    1. I can prosecute a faceless big company that may or may not pay a fine. OR
    2. I can prosecute members of the mafia and live my life with protection details following me and my family (including waiting outside the schools that my kids attend)

    Which would most people choose? Probably option 3:
    3. Go into a different line of work!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @09:28PM (#43846295)

    To be fair, we're talking about Italy. This is a country that jails seismologists, throws out acquittals, and can't get a single charge to stick on Berlusconi. There aren't a lot of places where you can say the US judicial system has better moral standing, but compared to the Italian system, it does--by a long shot.

  • by sunking2 ( 521698 ) on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @10:06PM (#43846553)
    But I see some sense in this. The way I see it is Facebook has made billions, and more than one billionaire. With that comes certain responsibilities. Just like a bartender that keeps serving drinks. Facebook knows that it is used for bullying, pedo, and other nefarious things. And they turn as much of an eye on it as they can get away with to save face so they can maximize a profit. That is reality. The fact is people have been bullied, killed themselves, or been killed to an extent in some part thanks to Facebook. What can be done? I don't know, maybe nothing. But I do believe Facebook does very little because they are afraid it would hurt overall revenues. And that I take issue with when dealing with people under the age of 18. I'm not one of those 'think of the children people', but I'm also not one who believes profits trump all else.
  • by snsh ( 968808 ) on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @12:33AM (#43847293)

    The discussions over bullying puts too much focus on the bully (what makes someone a bully?) and not enough on the bullied (what makes people prone to being bullied?).

    The simple truth is that if you are a kid who's sensitive, can't laugh at yourself, or are embarrassed easily, then you're definitely going to get bullied. Other kids will sense your weakness and jump on you like a pack of wolves. The best advice for bully-prone kids is not to "stand up" to bullies. If you're doing that, you've already lost. You need to accept what you are and be comfortable with it.

    Comedians say it best. Fast forward to 3:10:
    http://media.mtvnservices.com/embed/mgid:uma:videolist:mtv.com:1689785 [mtvnservices.com]

    Dwarves speaking to bastards explain it pretty well, too.

  • by VortexCortex ( 1117377 ) <VortexCortex@pro ... m minus language> on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @01:34AM (#43847587)

    I'm just going to say it: If you kill yourself before you procreate, that is a good thing. Keeps such self destructive genes out of the pool. I've battled with self destructive thoughts, and went though some truly heinous shit as a kid to get to that point. Yet, I survived. I've been beaten as a minority (the only caucasoid in an otherwise all black boot-camp disguised as a rehab run by Quanell X (the leader of the new Black Panther Party in H-town), who was sneaked the other kids out at night to a recording studio where the stars were installed in their eyes and their hearts were filled with hateful militant islamic views. The late night meetings were about, "Hating them crackers, as usual". You can't imagine the level of harassment.

    Was the poor girl mocked? So was I. Was she beaten? No? I was. Was she raped? I have been, yet I still survived. If your mind is that weak, then good riddance. The world is better off without your genetic contributions. We've got humans to spare. May the most fit to survive do so.

    What part did Facebook play in this girl offing herself? Well, what part did my parents play in the abuse I received at the hands of others? NONE. Deal with it. It was my choice not to be so stupid as to end my life. No force in this universe can cause you to take your own life. That is the one thing you can only blame yourself for. Her parents should blame her, and failing that, themselves, for their flawed parenting skills and bad genes. Certainly not a Internet Service.

    I mean, fuck Facebook, but to file criminal charges based on some dumb hairless apes teasing each other with a fucking video? Get bent.

  • by orzetto ( 545509 ) on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @04:31AM (#43848253)

    jails seismologists

    It seems you are referring to those seismologists who were sentenced for "not having predicted the L'Aquila earthquake". This is not correct: they were sentenced, and rightly so, for having misled the public that there was a certainty that no earthquake was going to happen. That's different from saying that there was no certainty it was going to happen. Their (very public) statements convinced many to return to their homes, and die there when the earthquake happened.

    throws out acquittals

    It seems you are referring to the fact that in Italy prosecutors can appeal an acquittal. This is a possibility in any European country I know of. If anything, the US is special in that new information cannot be used to reopen a case after the defendant has been pronounced innocent only one time.

    can't get a single charge to stick on Berlusconi

    Why actually there is one. He has dodged a lot but he was sentenced for tax evasion (same as Al Capone, guess what) and already lost an appeal. There is a very real chance he will be convicted in the last degree of appeal this year and will be automatically thrown out of the Parliament. While of course he should have gone to jail long ago, and flaws in the Italian system allowed him to get off scot-free on many an occasion, but prosecutors in the Italian system have not given him preferential treatment for being a powerful politicial.

    On the other hand, I have not heard about a single US prosecutor indicting G. W. Bush for starting a war of aggression. That's way worse than tax evasion, corruption, rape or murder. That's the same crime of Nuremberg. Same goes for indicting Dick Cheney for aiding and abetting torture, international kidnapping ring (known as "extraordinary renditions"), or Obama for international terrorism (because that's what drone strikes are).

    There aren't a lot of places where you can say the US judicial system has better moral standing, but compared to the Italian system, it does--by a long shot.

    The US system still practices death penalty, and is based on Common Law (just a notch above tribal law). The Italian system, for all its shortcomings, is not going to get you killed. Also, in lawsuits, the losing part can be and often is sentenced to pay for the other part's legal costs, so frivolous lawsuits are much less common than in the US. Thank you very much, we will keep our Roman-Napoleonic code.

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