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An anonymous reader writes "Days after the killing of leftist blogger Thaba Baba, mosques throughout Bangladesh called for a popular uprising to demand the killing of other bloggers who had held a rally calling for the death of Jama'at-e-Islami leaders convicted of war crimes. This happens in an atmosphere of ongoing tension between Left and Right, with the leftist government threatening to outlaw rightist parties while the right uses violence to quiet selected enemies."
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Islamists In Bangladesh Demand Murder of More Bloggers

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  • by L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) on Monday February 25, 2013 @09:19AM (#43001851)
    These few loud attention seekers do not represent Islam any more than Westboro' Baptist represents Christianity. They may respectively have their flaws, but don't believe that the most radical examples are representative of the whole.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by bigCstyle (2802795)
      Unfortunately it is a symptom of the disease...
    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 25, 2013 @09:25AM (#43001873)

      Um. No. Remember that lady who named a teddy bear Mohammed and there were mass movements in the street calling for her death?
      Or the cartoonist who was killed cause of one of his drawings?

      As bad as westboro is, they are 1. Super Small, and 2. Haven't actually killed anyone yet.

      Islam is a batshit religion, that happens to contain a decent number of sane people who happen to have been raised inside of that culture. The quicker we realize that it is anything BUT a religion of peace, and deal with it appropriately, the better.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Pecisk (688001)

        So something like Christianity six centuries ago? :)

        • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 25, 2013 @09:57AM (#43002069)

          Or like Islam today, which is much more relevant.

        • by JWW (79176) on Monday February 25, 2013 @10:03AM (#43002123)

          Yes. Islam desperately needs a Protestant reformation.

          • by Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) on Monday February 25, 2013 @10:12AM (#43002199)

            Well first of all it's decentralised, so no pope to rally against, and second of all the Westboros and related nuts aren't Catholic. The creationists and extremists are all Protestant sects, so even after a reformation look what happened. The quicker we realise that the Abrahamic religions in general are a blight, the better. I won't say all religions because Buddhism is okay, but most.

            • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

              by Anonymous Coward
              The creationists and extremists are all Protestant sects...

              This makes no more sense than concluding something from the fact virtually all serial-killers are male. "Creationists and extremists" is a nonsense collection, but leaving that aside, the views of Westboro Baptist represent less than .0001% of Protestants.
            • Big Devil US of A (Score:5, Informative)

              by mrops (927562) on Monday February 25, 2013 @11:26AM (#43003145)

              Its not going to happen as long as extremist countries like Saudi Arabia are an ally of the world's only super power. Saudi Arabia actually goes out and promotes extremism. Hell, the freaking religious police hits 10-12 year olds with canes if they are out playing soccer during prayer times. Growing up there, thats one of the most vivid memories I have, running from these idiots lest you get hit with canes, money was good so dad moved there for a while.

              They have tons of oil money, you take this oil money and spend it in poor Islamic countries like Afghanistan and this is the shit that happens. There are direction on how to behave in a war in Quran, i.e. fight the enemy, Islam does not tell you to show the other cheek but tells you to stand for whats right. This is what is quoted again and again to show extremism in Quran. This is exactly what Islamic extremist do, point out to drone strikes where countless innocent have died to establish US is the devil. Truth is somewhere in between, on both sides its the necessities of war, US is no more the devil than Islam is extremist.

              No one ever talks about how quran tells you to behave in normal days, the instructions are "not to sit with those who you disagree with", yah thats it, no killing, no extremism, "walk away". Besides, if any of you picked the quran and did read it, it has tons of stuff on importance of "patience". Again and again it tells you god is with those who are patience. God himself is extremely patience, and yada yada yada.

              Google tells me patience is a noun: The capacity to accept or tolerate delay, trouble, or suffering without getting angry or upset.

              This is clearly not what Islam stands for today in the world view as well as those who are extremists, at least they are on the same page. If it suits you to believe in what these extremist believe, then be it, you are NOT better for it.

              Nonetheless, drastic measures are needed to curb Saudi wahabism being spread to poor countries. Its not even so much organized by the Saudi Government, they do make there donations and shit, but its the populace, millionaires will establish religious schools and tell them to teach "whats right", unfortunately they believe "right" is intolerance and extremism.

              Personally, I am tired of explaining this again and again to people, nut jobs have screwed up this religion from discovering algebra to poets and chemists, its come to this.

              Why US let this happens (think Russians in Afghanistan during cold war) is a topic for another day.

          • by Pecisk (688001) on Monday February 25, 2013 @10:43AM (#43002519)

            I fear that it needs more than that. Actually it was Luther who stood first against Pope and dogmas. However, at that time Church was already over it's fever to kill everyone who disagreed. Let's remember, it took centuries for them to get there. They thought that excluding from Church was enough.

            When I look to Middle East Islam, I fear they will have huge problems to get over that phase. Everyone who disagrees are sooner or later silenced. Some would say that economical development is only answer, but I fear that it won't be enough.

            • by femtobyte (710429) on Monday February 25, 2013 @11:55AM (#43003557)

              Luther wasn't the *first* to stand against the Pope --- rather, the first to do so while also accumulating enough backing from local and regional political leaders (Fredrick, Elector of Saxony et al.) to avoid being squashed with extreme prejudice by the Inquisition. A "reformation" for Islam, to cause meaningful change in the conflict-ridden Middle East, requires a pre-existing political shift to significant leadership factions who would benefit from a "kinder, gentler" Islam, rather than the authoritarian extremism that keeps the current group in power.

              • by Darinbob (1142669)

                Similarly, many of the Islamist fights are really based in politics. Bin Laden started out by opposing the local autocratic governments, and only extended terrorism to the US because of it's support of those autocratic governments. The US was the great satan to Iran because of its support of the Shah (and the coups orchestrated by CIA to keep him there). Fights in Afghanistan have always been about invading armies (Russians and US). Fights in Iraq are about seeing which ethnic groups can come out on top

        • by Sycraft-fu (314770) on Monday February 25, 2013 @10:12AM (#43002205)

          But ya

          Christianity grew up. It's not perfect, it still has plenty of crazies in various kinds, but by and large Christianity grew out of the crusades mentality. Islam by and large has not.

          Thus I think it is perfectly reasonable for people to criticize Islam in a way they do not criticize Christianity (I'm an atheist by the way). That Christianity was all "kill the unbelievers" 700+ years ago does NOT give Islam license to be that way today. Society can, and should, advance. I would hope that in 700 years people would look back on society today and be glad that their society was even better than it is now.

          In very many ways Islam is still largely stuck in the Dark Ages and it needs to stop. We shouldn't give it a pass because Christianity was also in the Dark Ages several centuries ago.

          • by tehcyder (746570)

            Christianity grew up. It's not perfect, it still has plenty of crazies in various kinds, but by and large Christianity grew out of the crusades mentality. Islam by and large has not.

            Oddly enough, I don't see some massive Islamic empire waiting to invade us. I suppose they're being cunning and organising their massive worldwide imperial structure without anyone noticing.

          • by Rob Kaper (5960) on Monday February 25, 2013 @02:24PM (#43005467) Homepage

            But ya

            Christianity grew up. It's not perfect, it still has plenty of crazies in various kinds, but by and large Christianity grew out of the crusades mentality. Islam by and large has not.

            Islam in the western (read: prosperous) world mostly has. Almost all extremism has direct origins in countries with oppressive regimes or areas with so much poverty, corruption and inequalities that any person would find it hard to create a decent life under moderation. The average muslim in a decent environment does not resort to terrorism or hatred any more than the average non-muslim in such an environment.

        • Precisely like Christianity six centuries ago, and very much like Christianity in some pockets of the world today.

          Absolutely inexcusable in any circumstances.

        • by Sique (173459)
          Or North Ireland 20 years ago.
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by mnooning (759721)
          If you mean the Spanish Inqusition, then yes, nearly 2500 people were killed, according to http://askville.amazon.com/people-killed-Inquisition/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=3878676 [amazon.com]

          That is a proverbial drop in a buck of water compared to those killed by Islamists in Iraq alone, per year, for years, and recently.

          If you mean the various crusades over the years, there were 15,000 to 25,000 men on both sides, over decades, according to the link below. Again, a drop in the bucket.
          http://answers.yahoo.com/question [yahoo.com]

      • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 25, 2013 @09:56AM (#43002055)

        Ultra-strict disciplinarian religions are aggregators for people with impulse control problems. You can see how all aspects of Islam are designed around catering to low-EQ people.

        Eg: Women covering themselves with veils, or from head to toe.
        (Translation: when I see women's skin, I can't control myself, I might jump her, so she better make sure not to show any skin, coz I sure can't be expected to control my urges)

        The mob riots over Youtube videos - how the hell is that just a "tiny minority of extremists"? Which other religion does this?
        Where are the "greater majority" who oppose such extremism? Gone fishin?

        Wherever Muslims are in the minority, they want all kinds of minority rights. Wherever Muslims are in the majority, what kind of rights do they give to minorities? I don't see any other ethnic groups immigrating to Muslim-majority countries. On the contrary, I see all the minorities leaving.

        The fact that Muslims want as many rights for themselves as possible while giving as little respect as possible from their side towards other religions -- well, that tells me all I need to know about how to treat that religion. I'm not going to show more tolerance to someone than they're willing to show to me. Anything else is called masochism.

      • by hotdiggity (987032) on Monday February 25, 2013 @10:05AM (#43002145)

        The quicker we realize that it is anything BUT a religion of peace, and deal with it appropriately, the better.

        Can you elaborate on this? How to deal with it? This isn't one of those vague political "yada yada yada" ideas, because dealing with a widely held religious belief usually involves war, discriminatory laws, or any other of a wide variety of excuses to stamp on personal rights and freedom of association.

        • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Just let them splash in their own puddle of mud. Encircle the Islamic world tightly so there are no spillovers and no threat to western society and let them solve their own problems. One day they will realise their foolish ways and progress into a better age. For now, a good start would be NOT funding their wars and their revolutions - this is a double edged sword with its sharper edge turned towards us. We quickly need to abandon oil and move to other, not necessarily cleaner fuels. The environmental impac

      • by LoRdTAW (99712) on Monday February 25, 2013 @10:19AM (#43002267)

        "that happens to contain a decent number of sane people who happen to have been raised inside of that culture"

        One thing that many people don't understand is that Islam is more than a religion, its a culture that dictates how one should live, worship and govern its people. Islam knows no borders and Muslims have a very strong sense of belonging to the point where an Afgan and Iranian would see each other as brothers and not men from different countries.

        At work we have two Pakistani kids, brothers. I was talking to one of them about a company that was started by two guys from Iraq and his face instantly lit up, smiled and said "Oh wow, my people started that business?" At first I was confused and asked him "Wait, I thought you are Pakistani" to which he replied "Yea, but they are Muslims like me". That really showed me how close the Muslim people are connected by their belief. Its to the point where a Pakistani is proud of the achievements of two men from Iraq, a completely different country. When was the last time anyone here spoke of an achievement of a Christian from another country with pride based solely on the fact they they were Christian like them?

        Christians do not have that kind of bond with each other and therefor don't understand why the Muslims go crazy when someone disses Mohammed or makes a YouTube video calling Islam a religion of terrorists. You are insulting an entire culture, spiritual belief and government of all Muslims, everywhere. Christians have gotten to the point where they don't really give a shit, though there are sects that are still very close with each other (Mormons etc.). So when someone makes a Jesus joke or calls the church a scam, they don't take up arms and call for death.

        • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 25, 2013 @11:13AM (#43002923)

          And that issue is exactly what makes this so outrageous. If my brother was spouting off, embarrassing the family, I'd punch him in the face and tell him to shut up. Yet, this global "brotherhood" you speak of remains, at best, absolutely silent whenever a small percentage of "their people" launch some rancid extremest call for the murder of innocents. At worst, they join the protests.

        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Islam knows no borders and Muslims have a very strong sense of belonging to the point where an Afgan and Iranian would see each other as brothers and not men from different countries.

          Might be different if they were more numerous where you live. The "Sunni" and "Shi'a" sects go at eachothers throats. Wouldn't you rather have people coming together based on things that are actually important to people (like physics or maths or engineering)?

        • by amicusNYCL (1538833) on Monday February 25, 2013 @03:16PM (#43006287)

          Islam knows no borders and Muslims have a very strong sense of belonging to the point where an Afgan and Iranian would see each other as brothers and not men from different countries.

          Really? What about Iraqis and Iranians [wikipedia.org], do they also see each other as "brothers"? How about Sunnis and Shiites [wikipedia.org], they're both Muslim so they must get along perfectly right?

      • by Jawnn (445279)

        Um. No. Remember that lady who named a teddy bear Mohammed and there were mass movements in the street calling for her death? Or the cartoonist who was killed cause of one of his drawings?

        As bad as westboro is, they are 1. Super Small, and 2. Haven't actually killed anyone yet.

        Islam is a batshit religion, that happens to contain a decent number of sane people who happen to have been raised inside of that culture. The quicker we realize that it is anything BUT a religion of peace, and deal with it appropriately, the better.

        Viewed with intellectual detachment, the term "batshit" (crazy) would apply to most religions, and without question it applies to every last one that uses it's version of "the word of god" to justify the mistreatment of "the other". The fact that Islam is the "word" of choice for the most crazy right now has nothing to do with the religion. Think harder

      • by DoofusOfDeath (636671) on Monday February 25, 2013 @10:49AM (#43002565)

        My barely informed theory: Muslims who want to kill Christians and others are being faithful to a straight-forward reading of the Quran, and Muslims who just want us all to get along are using twisted interpretations of the Quran to accomodate their view.

        But I'm certainly not an expert. Any who is want to comment?

        • by Bongo (13261)

          Islam considers itself the updated purified version of Christianity. ie. God gave the truth to the Jews, but they corrupted it, so then God gave the truth to the Christians, but they corrupted it, so Islam is today the True version, and last thing they want is for it to be diluted in any way.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 25, 2013 @09:25AM (#43001875)

      Not all Muslims are Terrorists.

      But most Terrorists are Muslims.

      • by Trepidity (597)

        Is that actually the case? Here in Europe, Islamic terrorism gets a lot of press, and does exist, but I don't believe to has close to majority responsibility. In Spain, for example, there has been one major Islamic terrorist attack (the 2004 Madrid subway bombing), but thousand of ETA terrorist attacks, which have killed several times more people. In the UK, the major perpetrators of terrorist attacks have been Christian paramilitary groups, split between militant Catholic paramilitaries and militant Protes

        • by nedlohs (1335013)

          But America is all that matters, and 9/11 has quite a score to catch up to for the christian terrorists.

      • by famebait (450028) on Monday February 25, 2013 @10:06AM (#43002149)

        most Terrorists are Muslims.

        Troll.

        This moves in waves.
        Let's not forget about IRA, ETA, RAF, various other left-wing bombers in Europe, untold guerilla movements in Africa and South America.
        With some exceptions it mostly follows where there are active separatist movements at any given time
        Do your homework.

      • by squiggleslash (241428) on Monday February 25, 2013 @10:22AM (#43002297) Homepage Journal

        So... did you hear that from Rep Peter King (R), the man who keeps running dubious "radicalization" Congressional investigations against Muslims, but who fund raised for the IRA, a Catholic terrorist group that meant for the first 25 years of my life I couldn't go into a pub or fast food restaurant without there being a chance I'd be blown up by some IRA coward's bomb?

        Just curious. Because if you did, you might want to stop listening to him.

      • Not all Muslims are Terrorists.

        But most Terrorists are Muslims.

        You need to differentiate tactics and goals.

        Terrorism is a tactic. If the people performing terrorism had control of civil courts and law enforcement, large standing armies with M1 tanks, F18's, and drones, I suspect they wouldn't be doing things that get them labeled "terrorists".

      • by Rob Riggs (6418)

        But most Terrorists are Muslims.

        Most terrorists are human.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 25, 2013 @09:25AM (#43001879)

      I think you are glossing over the fact that, while offensive, holding up a sign saying "God hates fags" isn't quite the same thing as killing somebody. I'm not a fan of religion at all. But of the significant world religions Islam is alone in constantly calling for death and destruction. Simply look at any country that has a significant population of Muslims intermixed with another group. How many of those places have no tensions? None. Zero. Zip. Of course the Muslims always seem to have a reason for declaring a Fatwah and calling for death.

      • by Trepidity (597) <delirium-slashdo ... g ['ish' in gap]> on Monday February 25, 2013 @09:59AM (#43002091)

        The U.S. is actually a decent example of a country with a significant Muslim population and general lack of any fatwahs or jihads going on. There are some occasional nuts, but I don't think it's any more prevalent than with any other religious group: an American Muslim is no more likely to try to bomb you than an American Christian is.

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward

          The U.S. is actually a decent example of a country with a significant Muslim population and general lack of any fatwahs or jihads going on. There are some occasional nuts, but I don't think it's any more prevalent than with any other religious group: an American Muslim is no more likely to try to bomb you than an American Christian is.

          * You need to check the definition of "significant."
          * You must not have been paying attention around 2001 when a Fatwah claimed the lives of over 5,000 people.
          * You can use th

      • I think you are glossing over the fact that, while offensive, holding up a sign saying "God hates fags" isn't quite the same thing as killing somebody. I'm not a fan of religion at all. But of the significant world religions Islam is alone in constantly calling for death and destruction. Simply look at any country that has a significant population of Muslims intermixed with another group. How many of those places have no tensions? None. Zero. Zip. Of course the Muslims always seem to have a reason for declaring a Fatwah and calling for death.

        The only Christian analog I can think of is people who attack abortion centers / doctors.

        But even that isn't a good parallel, because the people doing that have a goal of saving innocent humans. There's just a disagreement, which largely falls along religious lines, about what constitute a human in that case.

    • by Mashiki (184564) <mashiki@gmai l . c om> on Monday February 25, 2013 @09:30AM (#43001907) Homepage

      These few loud attention seekers do not represent Islam...

      Your comment might hold merit if Westboro was blowing people up, or they were forcing their young girls into FGM, or there was a substantially large number of them involved in grooming one particular race of girls for sex exploitation, or in some countries nearly all rapes are being committed by one group. Or they were threatening women who stood up for themselves, or even rose to positions of power. But none of that really holds any water does it, even when you expand outside of westboro at large.

      • by neyla (2455118)

        Is there more extremists in Islam than in Christianity ? I think it's pretty clear that the answer is yes.

        Are the extremsists, including violent ones who are willing to kill by the dozen among Christians ?

        Yes. Fewer than among the muslims, but there sure are *some*. Breivik ring a bell ?

        • by Mashiki (184564)

          Yes. Fewer than among the muslims, but there sure are *some*. Breivik ring a bell ?

          Hey...congratulations, you managed to find one person in the last 10 years, compared to the 20k odd terrorist attacks by muslims alone! Boy that's sure some ratio, you a betting man because I already like those odds.

        • by ElectricTurtle (1171201) on Monday February 25, 2013 @10:08AM (#43002173)
          The major difference is that when a Christian nutbag kills some people, in no part of the world is there a celebration in the streets. Whereas successful Islamic terrorism is in many places openly celebrated by whole communities passing out candy and cheering about how the murderers are heroes. It is intertwined with a culture of hatred and violence that is supported by communities.
    • by WoodstockJeff (568111) on Monday February 25, 2013 @09:31AM (#43001909) Homepage

      Unfortunately for this "distinction" to have much meaning, you need to have the alleged "average" people and clerics of Islam start denouncing the actions of these "loud attention seekers" more strongly than a token, "it wasn't us."

      Do a large number of these "average" people of Islam show up at the places where these "attention seekers" go, to make a shield between them and their targets, like a lot of people (both Christian and non-Christian) do at Westboro "events"?

    • by crazyjj (2598719) * on Monday February 25, 2013 @09:42AM (#43001973)

      Westboro Baptist Church is made up up maybe a dozen individuals in a nation of hundreds of millions. Radical Islam is now a significant majority in many Muslim countries, and a significant minority in many more.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      You idiot. You apologist.
      www.prophetofdoom.net

      They DO represent muslims, because Islam is pure evil, just like its inventor, 'Mo-ham-head', who was a mass murderer, multiple rapist, and a paedophile - all documented by MUSLIMS for 1400 years, because they think those crimes are okay, as long as 'god' tells them to do it.

      You really are a moron of the first order.

      Do you have nothing against Islam?
      Then you have nothing against stoning, amputations, flogging, female genital mutilation, suicide bombers, beheadin

    • by bazorg (911295)

      For other subjects, but mostly these of politics and religion, whenever someone suggests "those guys are just a small minority", I have to wonder: how do you know? have you counted them or is it wishful thinking?

    • Oh wait, WB is just annoying but not outright killers.

      How many people are forced to live under rule of the Westboro Baptist church against their will?

      Oh wait, they do not get to enforce their rules on others.

      So... they are the same how?

    • by neyla (2455118)

      True. But it's also true that the average muslim is considerably more conservative than the average christian. Infact if a christian held views as medieval as those of the average muslim, we'd call him an extremism: his position really would be extreme in the christian church.

      For example, the pope was an extremist. His views where more extreme than the views of 95% of catholics, and 97% of christians.

      • by Pecisk (688001)

        Actually even word "conservative" here would mean very different things. I would go out and call Islam very radical at it's core - which makes problems for normal people who has Islamic legacy. There never has been "sanitation" of Bible, because it never needed one - all what changed was rules of Church and people's attitude towards belief system. However I don't see how Islam can continue it's existence without rewriting or throwing out some parts - or at least changing core interpretations. Last such try

    • by KiloByte (825081) on Monday February 25, 2013 @10:21AM (#43002291)

      How in the hell this has been modded "5 Insightful"?

      There are two kinds of muslims:
      * peaceful sinners who cherry-pick from the Koran
      * murderous savages who do as the prophet commanded

      I see you're used to Bible which contains thousands of contradictions and thus can't possibly be followed without massive cherry-picking. It does contain savage commandments like "when you approach a town, you need to issue an ultimatum: if the denizens surrender, kill only old women/the infirm/those uppity/etc and put the rest into slavery, taking their women as your wives and concubines -- but if they refuse to surrender, you must slaughter them all. Except for a list of tribes, which you're not allowed to spare and must slaughter without quarter, including livestock" -- yet no one takes such commandments seriously today, despite Jesus reaffirming the old law multiple times.

      On the other hand, the few contradictions in Koran are limited to "how many angels visited Miriam", the biggest one IIRC is about permissibility of alcohol. There's not a shred of doubt about being obliged to murder infidels. You must be forgiveful but only to those who convert to Islam, you may subjugate people of four religions but only for a period of time, you should offer infidels a chance to convert, and when facing overwhelming force you may merely lie and use "stratagems" until a time to strike happens.

      It is impossible to follow the Bible in full. It is well possible to follow the Koran. And thus I disagree with your claim that those who do are merely "few loud attention seekers who do not represent Islam".

      • I see you're used to Bible which contains thousands of contradictions and thus can't possibly be followed without massive cherry-picking. It does contain savage commandments like "when you approach a town, you need to issue an ultimatum: if the denizens surrender, kill only old women/the infirm/those uppity/etc and put the rest into slavery, taking their women as your wives and concubines -- but if they refuse to surrender, you must slaughter them all. Except for a list of tribes, which you're not allowed to spare and must slaughter without quarter, including livestock" -- yet no one takes such commandments seriously today, despite Jesus reaffirming the old law multiple times.

        The commands you listed were specifically for the Israelite tribes conquering Canaan at that point in time.

        They're different in nature than the ongoing commands about how the Israelites were supposed to live day by day; which was a condition for them to continue living in Canaan. Their descendants violated these laws. The Bible claims this is the reason their nation was destroyed and their people scattered, much as they did to the Canaanites before.

        In turn, those commands are different than the comm

      • by scamper_22 (1073470) on Monday February 25, 2013 @01:27PM (#43004693)

        As an secular/cultural Muslim, this is one of the biggest points.

        This is such an important point.
        It is hard to describe to people what Islam is. It is not just belief in God or attending church once in a week.

        I grew up overseas, went to Islam school, not an extreme one by any stretch of the imagination, so I do consider myself quite learned.

        Islam is composed of the Koran which is relatively vague and you can read it to mean a lot of things and you can apply a lot of context to things.

        But the Koran is not the core of Islamic practice. That is the hadith... which basically stems from the belief that Mohamed was a great man... therefore we should do as Mohamed did to have the best Islamic practice.

        So I was literally taught to enter the washroom with the left food, to sleep on my right side, not to stand up and pee... That is the level of detail we have in the Hadith on the life of Mohamed and what it is that Muslims are taught to do. This is standard Sunni/Shia Islam.

        So you can of course imagine the problems with this... a detailed log of a man who lived 1400 years ago being held up as the final perfections of mankind. The logs orally recorded and then written down over centuries across wars/assassins/politics... You don't need a PHd to figure this out.

        And so there are many 'bad' hadiths out there.
        Stoning single mothers for sex out of wedlock... check.
        Going to war, capturing the women and making them sex slaves... check.
        Going to war to spead Islam... check.
        Killing those who speak against Islam... check. ...

        Yes, most people of all faiths have done similar things in their own religion. The difference in Islam is that this is taken as THE FINAL PERFECT WAY TO LIVE with the hadith to show you how to live.

        And this is taken seriously by Muslims. As you say, the old testament has lots of 'bad things', but no one takes it seriously and much of Christian thinking today would suggest that many parts have been superceeded by the new testament... which is relatively good... and the portrayal of Jesus himself as a model is a relatively good one.

        Now what most Muslims have resorted to is ignoring the bad parts of Islam and simply saying they are out of context... Sure its an intellectual cop out.

        It is the same text (the hadith) that tells you to pray five time a day as the one that tells you to go to war and capture slave women. Yes most modern Muslims will ignore the war and slave part.

        But in the end, it is for the good. I can't handle the silliness of it all, so I don't follow the religion. But I'd rather have this kind of peaceful ignorance than 'real Islam'.

    • And when they incite multiple murders to other people we can deal with them accordingly. Guess what they are a bunch of lawyers that piss people off so they can sue them I doubt they even care about there cause outside of getting rich.

      As to the Muslim extremists they are not pulling there punches. Islam allows anybody to issue a Fatwa it's somewhere between a legal opinion and court order primarily dependent on how many people subscribe to and social status of the person that wrote it. They are not sayin

    • by nedlohs (1335013) on Monday February 25, 2013 @10:51AM (#43002579)

      That's right. It's the religion of peace after all!

      I'm sure there will be widespread condemnation of this behavior from all the mainstream Islamic mouthpieces.

    • by jon3k (691256)
      How in the world is this moddest insightful? Westboro is like half a dozen people, this is thousands of islamists violently attacking and killing people.
  • by muecksteiner (102093) on Monday February 25, 2013 @09:21AM (#43001861)

    This is not a dispute between left and right, at least not in the sense that we are used to in the so-called "West". The two antagonistic parties here are secularists on the one hand, and islamistic religious fundamentalists on the other. These two groups are not even in a very roundabout way related to the old left-right dichotomy we are used to. Except perhaps the fact that Western leftists also generally seem to weigh in on the secular side of things, but that is about the point where any similarities end.

  • I am the one, Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand My image is of agony, my servants rape the land Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.

    I twist the truth, I rule the world, my crown is called deceit I am the emperor of lies, you grovel at my feet I rob you and I slaughter you, your downfall is my gain And still you play the sycophant and revel i

  • by crazyjj (2598719) * on Monday February 25, 2013 @09:38AM (#43001955)

    It's a battle between secular democratic government and koran-thumping nutballs who want to impose their religious beliefs on everyone else at sword point.

    • the problem comes in when only one sides reserves the right to, and frequently uses, the ability to kill the secularists

      progress cannot happen if one side doesn't just debate, but frequently murders proponents of progress

      there are forces of the right in every country. but think how much worse it would be. for example, here in the usa, if all the bs you see the right was saying was also accompanied by frequent murder of those on the left, and full support within the right to do so

      now you have some idea of wh

  • by walmass (67905) on Monday February 25, 2013 @09:46AM (#43002001)
    Relevant bit of history: Until 1971, Bangladesh used to be called East Pakistan and the current Pakistan was called West Pakistan. Both parts together made up Pakistan, but the East and the West didn't share a common language or culture. In 1952, the West tried to impose Urdu as the sole official language, which resulted in people protesting, and dying, to protect Bangla (Bengali) on Feb 21, 1952. This was eventually recognized by the UN as the International Mother Language Day [wikipedia.org]

    But the attitude didn't change, and after losing an election overwhelmingly to a political party based mostly in East Pakistan, the loser from the West worked with the military to not hand over the power and instead let loose The Pakistani Army, which, with the help of local collaborators (Rajakars), killed 3 million people [genocidebangladesh.org] and raped [youtube.com] 200,000 women in 1971. One of the stated reasons was to "Protect Islam."

    Fast forward to 2012. Now there is a war-crimes trial going on for some of the top Rajakars, and like the Arab Spring, social media headed by young bloggers took a leading role in holding the war criminals accountable.

    So the Rajakars, who predominantly belong to a party called Jamaat-E-Islami, are trying to inflame popular sentiment (which is overwhelmingly against them) through propaganda that all bloggers are Atheists. Their campaign is funded by huge influx of money from the middle east and a network of highly profitable businesses in Bangladesh. They own TV stations and newspapers that are using photoshopped images to show the alleged debauchery and insults to Islam of the so-called Atheists.

    So this is not just a left vs. right issue as people elsewhere might interpret it. This is an active campaign for the Talibanization of Bangladesh along with a campaign to protect people who allegedly committed crimes against humanity.

    The process is not to ban just rightist parties (there are plenty)--the process aims to ban Jamaat-E-Islami, which has never clearly stated that their role in 1971 (of helping with genocide and rape) was wrong, and which is headed by people who actively participated in the genocide and rape.

    For freedom-loving people everywhere, this must not be allowed to stand. "Atheists bloggers" is just a red herring--don't let this cheap trick by alleged criminals muddy the water.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Problem solved.

  • by slashmydots (2189826) on Monday February 25, 2013 @10:08AM (#43002167)
    Someone should tell CNN to cover this. It would really ruin their stupid "Islam is peace. They're just like you and me" documentary barrage. Islam is violent EVERYWHERE in the world. Get over it and stop pretending it's something else.
  • First of all, I don't know almost nothing about Islam (just tons of facts found on Wikipedia), but I have met descent people with that religion. While it's middle age mentality plays some background in all this, my pick is it's popularity within uneducated, poor masses are adding more to these outbursts of violence.

    Second part is - while we all love to trash religions in the name of the free speech, and enjoying anonymity given by Internet (at least from dumb ass religious nuts), blogging about how backwar

  • What you're saying is.... threatening to ban war criminals from politics is as bad as being a war criminal committing mass murder. Someone needs to pull their ideological shit filled head out of their ass.

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