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MPAA: the Impact of Megaupload's Shutdown Was 'Massive' 308

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An anonymous reader writes "The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) has declared that the Megaupload shutdown earlier this year has been a great success. In a filing to the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative, the group representing major movie studios says the file hosting and sharing industry has been massively disrupted. Yet the MPAA says there is still work to be done, identifying sites that make available to downloaders 'unauthorized copies of high-quality, recently-released content and in some cases, coordinate the actual upload and download of that content.' Here's the list of sites, including where they are hosted: Extratorrent (Ukraine), IsoHunt (Canada), Kickass Torrents (Canada), Rutracker (Russia), The Pirate Bay (Sweden), Torrentz (Canada), and Kankan (China)."
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MPAA: the Impact of Megaupload's Shutdown Was 'Massive'

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  • by staltz (2782655) on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @06:17PM (#42198013) Homepage

    It was a successful operation in the same way as arresting the whole world prevents crime.

  • Thanks (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @06:17PM (#42198023)

    I live in Canada, and I'm very proud that we have so many torrent sites (I didn't know that). From all of us who live up here: fuck you MPAA.

    • by quax (19371)

      Harper already put an end to it. The copyright protection law passed [mondaq.com] as was absolutely clear would happen once the conservatives have a majority.

      The MPAA is already gearing up to bring downloader lawsuits up North.

      Betcha the torrent sites will be targeted as well.

      Elections have consequences.

  • Puke (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Swampash (1131503) on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @06:18PM (#42198025)

    "The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) has declared that the Megaupload shutdown earlier this year has been a great success"

    Never mind the fact that the shutdown itself was conducted illegally, and that thousands of legitimate users and businesses were harmed.

    Fuck you MPAA. You're the boy with his finger plugging a hole in a dike, and the water's pouring over the top.

    • Re:Puke (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @06:24PM (#42198113)

      Never mind the fact that the shutdown itself was conducted illegally, and that thousands of legitimate users and businesses were harmed.

      What are you talking about? It proved that they control the world's law enforcement AND can act with absolute impunity to the Little People(tm)! That's what makes it a complete resounding success to them!

      • by hazah (807503)
        ... till bullets really start flying.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      was conducted illegally,

      With you so far. The whole thing was a clusterfsck.

      and that thousands of legitimate users and businesses were harmed.

      Not buying this though.

      Well, OK, perhaps thousands. But percentage-wise, what would you guess as to number of legit files vs infringing files?

      F*** you MPAA.

      With you here again.

    • by jamesh (87723)

      The day is coming where it will occur to one of their accountants that they could drastically reduce piracy by simply killing all their customers.

  • Yes, yes it was. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TemperedAlchemist (2045966) on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @06:19PM (#42198053)

    It was destructive to legitimate file sharing too.

    And illegal, very illegal.

    • by Scorpinox (479613)

      I was trying to root an old android device and put a custom ROM on it, and guess what? Most of the files were hosted on megaupload. I ended up spending more time looking for the files hosted on other sites than I spent actually messing with rooting.

      I don't expect the kind, awesome people who created the rooting tools to check on stuff they uploaded 3 years ago and make sure links aren't broken; it would be nice if there was at least one place where you could safely store public files that won't be shut do

  • by Jonah Hex (651948) <<moc.liamg> <ta> <smtodxeh>> on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @06:20PM (#42198057) Homepage Journal
    Looks like I'm watching anything I want, when I want, without the MPAA even slowing me down. Wow, even regional restrictions are gone, as I watch shows and movies from all over the world immediately instead of waiting for a Region 1 release. Thanks Open Source software and Hackers like me for inventing the future of entertainment. MPAA give it up and start paying for decent product placement in shows, fuck commercials. - HEX
  • by fragtag (2565329) on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @06:20PM (#42198065)
    I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS. It's hard to overstate my satisfaction. --MPAA
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      I'm not even angry. I'm being so sincere right now. Even though you broke my heart and killed me. And torn it pieces. And threw every piece into a fire. As they burned it hurt because I was so happy for you!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @06:21PM (#42198077)
    Thank God the war on piracy is over!
  • Thanks! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @06:21PM (#42198083)

    We all owe the MPAA a hearty thank-you for telling us where we can steal their movies in the post-Megauplod era.

  • by Hans Adler (2446464) on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @06:22PM (#42198087)

    The MPAA's original paper: http://de.scribd.com/doc/115644694/NOT-Motion-Picture-Association-of-America-Final [scribd.com]

    They brag about how much money they are making and speak in passing about the "massive" impact of closing down Megaupload. The one thing that seems to be conspicuously missing is any estimate of how much more money they made due to the reduction in "piracy".

    • by UnknownSoldier (67820) on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @06:45PM (#42198305)

      Exactly.

      If they are "losing" money due to "piracy" then why does Piracy NEVER show up on the balance books for EACH movie?

      • by BradleyUffner (103496) on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @06:49PM (#42198343) Homepage

        Exactly.

        If they are "losing" money due to "piracy" then why does Piracy NEVER show up on the balance books for EACH movie?

        I'm actually surprised that it doesn't. It would make the whole "Hollywood Accounting" thing easier to pull off, letting them pay the actors and writers even less because the film made less money.

  • Success != Money (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Dan East (318230) on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @06:23PM (#42198097) Homepage Journal

    So in other words, their profits suddenly shot up by some "massive" amount? I mean that's really the only reason to go to the trouble (and cost) of shutting stuff like this down, is to recover some revenue, right? After all, that is the only kind of success that matters to the content producers, is making more money for their effort.

    FTA:

    Interestingly, recently published research suggests that shuttering Megaupload may have even had a negative impact on box office revenues. In a recent blog post MPAA’s head of research Julia Jenks said the short paper is “not clear or compelling,” but it’s an indication that the Megaupload shutdown might not be all that positive for the industry itself either.

    Oops. Spin it, Julia. Spin it round and round.

    • Right! And you can only assume they will pass those savings onto the consumer. I expect movie prices to drop dramatically any moment now...

      any moment now...

      hmm...

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @06:24PM (#42198109)

    Or this more in depth analysis which concludes:

    "We find that the shutdown had a negative, yet insignificant effect on box office revenues.This counterintuitive result may suggest support for the theoretical perspective of (social) network effects where file-sharing acts as a mechanism to spread information about a good from consumers with zero or low willingness to pay to users with high willingness to pay."

    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2176246

  • by Anonymous Coward

    http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/12/11/25/1654201/researchers-find-megaupload-shutdown-hurt-box-office-revenues
    Let's cut off our nose to spite our face!

  • by Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @06:35PM (#42198213)
    We're number 1!
    All others are #2 or worse!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @06:43PM (#42198285)

    If not for all the slashdot coverage, I wouldn't even have noticed.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @06:44PM (#42198293)

    This provides a really good opportunity to measure a decline in piracy against an increase in ticket and DVD/Bluray sales. If they aren't talking about how much more money they're making, I think we can safely assume that the mantra that piracy != lost sales is true.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @06:47PM (#42198333)

    :) They totally missed the largest streaming sites or link sites entirely.

    http://www.solarmovie.so/ (http://www.solarmovie.eu/)
    http://www.tv-links.eu/
    http://www.vidics.eu/
    http://www.movs.eu/
    http://www.watchseries.eu
    http://www.youtube.com/ (mostly good old stuff, but still a great source for that content)

    If you want more just do a Google search for ”some obscure movie or tv show site:eu” and you'll find it on the first page of Google's results. This works for any movie and not just obscure stuff. Humorously it is easier to find stuff this way then Netflix, Hulu, etc.

  • by nurb432 (527695) on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @06:57PM (#42198417) Homepage Journal

    It always feels like a success when you whack the first mole.. but then 2 of its friends appear later..

    Eventually the moles eat you.

  • by Wookie_CD (639534) on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @07:00PM (#42198439)
    (referring, naturally, to the banner behind Bush on an aircraft carrier while making a speech about the Iraq war)
  • "... in some cases, coordinate the actual upload and download of that content"

    You bastards!

  • by Nationless (2123580) on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @08:23PM (#42199173)

    Serious question: Fair enough that they disrupted a lot of traffic, but did it get redirected anywhere positive?

    Did sales go up? This is a pretty important question that they don't seem to be answering.

    • by plazman30 (531348)
      You know it didn't. The people pirating stuff will ALMOST NEVER buy the content if they can't get it for free. In other news, Libraries have seen a massive increase in requests for library cards...
      • by jedidiah (1196)

        ...or you could just wait for it to show up on some cable channel or even a local broadcast channel. Plus there's Netflix.

        Netflix already has established itself as a zero marginal cost option.

    • Sales went down. They're blaming that on other factors though.
  • Cause my coworker didn't just check his Comcast account and see that he downloaded 420 GB of stuff in November. Way to go Justice Department. The 10 people that were downloading blu-ray rips from Megaupload all went to Bittorrent.
  • by viperidaenz (2515578) on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @08:59PM (#42199449)
    Piracy on Megaupload before shutdown: > 0%, << 100%.
    Piracy on Megaupload after shutdown: 0. Infinite reduction in piracy!
    Piracy on mediums other than Megaupload Before: unknown.
    Piracy on mediums other than Megaupload Before: unknown still, but greater than before.
  • by davegravy (1019182) on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @09:10PM (#42199539)

    "Here's the list of sites, including where they are hosted: Extratorrent (Ukraine), IsoHunt (Canada), Kickass Torrents (Canada), Rutracker (Russia), The Pirate Bay (Everywhere), Torrentz (Canada), and Kankan (China)."

    Source:

    http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-moves-to-the-cloud-becomes-raid-proof-121017/ [torrentfreak.com]

  • by davydagger (2566757) on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @09:38PM (#42199789)
    All they've done is take all free android clones, peoples personal, and legally owned shit, and home vidoes off the net. They've killed many cell phone modding communities with broken links.

    Its made it that much harder for a small projects(FOSS types) to host large files associated with them.

    In case your wondering, its just as easy as it was before to get pirated material from a site that flaunts its pirate status, "The Pirate Bay"

    Rest assured good freinds, you can still get your mindless RIAA sponsored pop music pirate, entirely unabated.
    https://thepiratebay.se/search/britney%20spears/0/99/0
  • "Great success" (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Dunge (922521) on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @09:41PM (#42199807)
    I'm sorry, but every new release sites have more than 4+ mirrors anyway. When megalupload went down, another came up to replace. Also, they are actually listing the next sites they gonna abuse their power to shut down? Let's do something against that and make sure it don't happen.
  • by epp_b (944299) on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @10:15PM (#42200035)
    Cut the bullshit of trying dictate when, where and how your customers are "permitted" to use the products they buy from you. Y'know, just like every other business on the planet.

    The example I like to use:

    When I buy a hammer, the manufacturer can't charge me a royalty for every nail I hammer in, they can't limit me to building bird-houses and demand licensing fees to build a shed, they can't tell me I can only use it in the town where I bought it and make me pay for it a second time if I want to use it in the next town over and they can't come to my home and take it away from me when they release an updated model. Heck, I can even use it for business and commercial profits and they still can't do anything about it.

    They've sold me a product and they are now HANDS OFF until the hammer wears out and I'm in the market for a new one.

    To argue against this -- to say that "media products" don't "wear out" -- is disingenuous and simply untrue. How many times can you listen to the song or watch the same movie without wanting more, better and newer?

    The demand for new content will always exist, ergo it is unnecessary and incongruous to found your business model on the assumption that it won't.

    I will offer this advice to the entire media industry, free of charge, no royalties asked, in the public domain, no nonsense, no copyright, you're free to use it. Forever.

    How to Single-Handedly Obsolete Piracy and Earn Record Profits without Criminalizing your Customers and Building a PR Track Record Worse than Beelzebub's: provide video files in MPEG4/DivX/whatever reasonably universal format, without DRM expropriating our computers, for a reasonable price, offer fast download speeds (at least fast enough to stream) and offer it worldwide.

    That is actually a lot simpler than it sounds; certainly a whole lot simpler than all that lawyering, backroom meetings and trying to figure out how to expropriate every computer in the world.

    Not only will you have millions, possibly billions-with-a-B, customers who can't give you enough of their money, but you will be opening the door to scads of businesses who will make products that increase the value of your products and have customers begging to buy more.

    This is evidenced empirically by history: look at how unencumbered VCRs, CDs and MP3s exploded with infinite third-party possibilities and compare them to DVDs which ... well, can do nothing more than they did a decade ago because of crippling DRM.

    Why is it so hard for these people to embrace technology? Why is every technological progression in history perceived as a threat? Is there a fundamental disconnect between them and their customers? Are they just stupid? Overly stubborn, technologically xenophobic dinosaurs? Too lazy to rework their business model? Too greedy about short-term profits too realize the long-term effects? What is it???

    • for a reasonable price

      Please define this. I expect a long thread of counter posts to yours to ensue.

    • I have a better way to ensure that no one can "pirate" my works: Don't make them unless I'll get paid to do so. After you've done the work, the public has paid you to do, then everyone gets copies for free (or only the cost to make the copy). The trick is asking for enough money to fund my development up front, you know, like a home builder or a mechanic will give you an estimate for their work.

      In short: Get paid up front or get a contract (see: crowd-funding, consignments, etc). Let the public pay a

  • Fuck You. Assholes.
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    [snips dynamite fuse]
    Franz Liebkind: Zis is critical.
    [lights fuse with match]
    Franz Liebkind: Ha ha ha, ja ja, you see zis? You see zis here vat I have told you? Yeah, zis is an example of smartness here. I have said that zis is ze quick fuse. Huh? And zis IS ze quick fuse.
    [pause]
    All: THE QUICK FUSE!
    [explosion]
  • by Stormwatch (703920) <rodrigogirao@nosPAm.hotmail.com> on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @11:43PM (#42200663) Homepage

    The excuse for "intellectual property" was that it would serve as an incentive to the creation of new works; it was supposed to enrich culture and technology for all by eventually becoming public domain. But the constant copyright extensions mean their very purpose was subverted: instead, it now hinders everyone's access to a massive cultural trove. That's why people can't see piracy as wrong: if anything, it performs that duty now!

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