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Amazon To Launch Sydney Data Center 63

Posted by timothy
from the cia-will-count-sheep-all-night dept.
schliz writes "Amazon Web Services will unveil its first Australian data centers on Tuesday, ending more than a year of speculation. The move is expected to address enterprises' data soverignty and latency concerns, although local cloud providers argue that data held by U.S. company Amazon would still be subject to the Patriot Act."
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Amazon To Launch Sydney Data Center

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    Singapore or nearby would be better, our international pipes suck at the moment.
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Contrary to popular belief, Australia's international *bandwidth* is not too bad, it's in the high 10's if not into the 100's of Gb/s in total now. Amazon already has a data centre in Singapore and services hosted there still suck. There are these things called round-trip-time and latency, which are actually much worse for the performance of interactive applications than lack of bandwidth alone. Having services hosted on continent will help out a lot, well, the eastern side anyway, Perth might still have
      • by AK Marc (707885)
        The sad thing is that a single fibre pair can carry 4 Tbps over long distances (relatively standard 100 Gbps Ethernet, and 40-channel DWDM), all it takes is a little capital to set it up. The cost of buying and laying that much fibre is more than the optics.
      • by DeSigna (522207) on Saturday November 10, 2012 @06:53AM (#41941187)

        Australia has several 10s of terabits of international capacity, of which around 2Tb (from memory) is actually "lit". There's 4 main cable systems (AJC, SCCS, PPC-1 and SeaMeWe-3), a few smaller ones to surrounding nations (JASURAUS, Gondwana-1) and a handful of multi-terabit modern ones that are barely ticking over (like Telstra Endeavour).

        The growth in capacity has drawn quite a few international service providers and carriers to Aussie shores, and the resulting demand for domestic capacity has done nothing but good things for the price and availability of rack real estate and domestic transit. Our domestic providers are all pretty healthy, just waiting to see how the NBN pans out.

        I can't see any problems with a big cloud provider like Amazon entering the market here. If it doesn't start forcing storage and bandwidth costs down further I'll be quite surprised.

        • by rtb61 (674572)

          One thing to keep in mind, it is far easier to repair the cable than it is to rebuild the data centre and it's lost data. That should be the ultimate driver of choice in where to locate the data centre. One data centre failure and you business in terms of reliability is dead.

          • by DeSigna (522207)

            Consider that a lot of central phone exchanges and DCs are in the Brisbane CBD, and most kept working in early 2011 when a good chunk of the state's land area was underwater: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1616757 [whirlpool.net.au]. The locations I've got gear (PIPE DC3, Pegasus and Fujitsu) were well out of the flood zone, being located in areas above any reasonable flood level - if they had gone underwater, there wouldn't be a Brisbane anymore.

            The main drivers of DC location are cost and utility. Cost includes the

      • by a.koepke (688359)
        I use AWS services in Singapore and get around 60ms ping time. iiNet, due to their takeover of Internode, have their own link in SEA-ME-WE. The ping time is about the same as to the east coast
        • by snookums (48954)

          Indeed. There is a direct Perth-Singapore transit, but most East Coast-Singapore data goes via some combination of Guam, Japan, and Hong Kong, and the latency is the same or worse than to US West. I believe Internode set up some special routing via Perth for one particularly latency-sensitive application that is hosted out of Singapore for Australian customers (Starcraft II).

          There's a new Perth-Singapore cable [itwire.com] due to come online next year, though I can't find any information about progress of the build. Whe

      • by Dan541 (1032000)

        All traffic from Perth to the US or Europe passes through the eastern states. So a data centre in Sydney will be a huge improvement.

        • See above comments. Your completely wrong.
          Internode (now iiNet) are on the record as routing direct from Perth to Singapore via SWA-ME-WE

  • Way down in Tasmania.

    The WISP is expanding in the DC arena - http://www.tasmanet.com.au/data-centre/ [tasmanet.com.au]

  • Amazon is putting a DC in Australia.. not that big a deal, now wait until Blizzard puts some servers out here, I'd vote for a bloody Public Holiday.

  • If you want to place your datacenter far from storms and floods andclose to main backbones you need to place it in the Mediterranean area. Not facing a huge ocean or below the level of the sea.
    If you choose a city among Napoli, Bari or Catania, you will get fine coffee, delicious pizzas and mouthwatering sweets as a side effect. And they don't have Berlusconi any more.
    • by DeSigna (522207)
      If you're worried about refreshments, see if you can convince Amazon to move the DC to Melbourne.

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