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China Blocks Google.com, Gmail, Maps and More During 18th Party Congress 129

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DavidGilbert99 writes "In an extraordinary move, the Chinese authorities have blocked access to Google.com, Gmail, Google Maps, Google Docs, and many more Google services as the Communist Party of China holds the 18th Party Congress. The blocking of these sites was reported by Chinese web monitoring site GreatFire.org, which said, 'Never before have so many people been affected by a decision to block a website.' The latest move in a long line of disputes between the Chinese government and Google, it is unclear yet whether this denial will be temporary (like a similar one in 2010) or permanent."
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China Blocks Google.com, Gmail, Maps and More During 18th Party Congress

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  • Google China (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Synerg1y (2169962) on Friday November 09, 2012 @02:52PM (#41934351)

    If China doesn't want to have open communication with the rest of the world, oh well. The internet isn't for everybody, however I've got to ask where are the Chinese people in all this if they truly care?

  • Good. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Slutticus (1237534) on Friday November 09, 2012 @02:55PM (#41934383)
    Now let these companies stand strong, don't budge, and the people will become restless, they will become angry, and they will revolt against their government. Irony. The thing they are trying to prevent will cause a spark that will lead to their downfall.
  • Re:Good. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by explosivejared (1186049) * <hagan,jared&gmail,com> on Friday November 09, 2012 @03:01PM (#41934461)
    Yeah, probably not, at least not in any predictable way. There are a million things that popular opinion and unrest within China make more likely to be reformed: the Hukou system, land distribution, criminal justice, etc. Single party rule and stringent censorship just don't motivate the Chinese like westerners constantly tell them that it should. I'm of the opinion all of this is a tremendous waste, but I don't expect any majority of the Chinese public to agree with me any time soon.
  • by Baloroth (2370816) on Friday November 09, 2012 @03:03PM (#41934477)

    You have no right to judge.

    Yes, yes we do. We have the right to say "that is wrong, you should stop that." Everyone does, about the actions of any political group (although they may be wrong, they have the right to say it). That's one of the things that "freedom of speech" and it's very very close partner "freedom of conscience", is all about.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09, 2012 @03:34PM (#41934773)

    "Research without Google would be like life without electricity," says Xiong Zhenqin, an ecologist at Nanjing Agricultural University in Jiangsu province. [nature.com]

    It is generally possible to find information on the internet without using Google, but Google Scholar and the likes really is a world-class resource.

  • by sdguero (1112795) on Friday November 09, 2012 @03:34PM (#41934781)
    Sorry, but judging things is a fundamental human right. This is something that I have found largely misunderstood by my Chinese friends. They will say things like "There is no difference between the US government and the Chinese government, both are corrupt." While I agree with the corruption (although it is a much more straightforward sort in China), I think they miss a key element in the United States, i.e. we enjoy certain inalienable rights that they don't understand the benefit of, largely because they have never had them.

    Americans, and really everyone in western style democracies are free to criticize and judge any government, religion, or belief they want to in a public forum. This is freedom of speech and it is the most important right we have.
  • Re:Google China (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ShanghaiBill (739463) on Friday November 09, 2012 @04:01PM (#41935021)

    I've got to ask where are the Chinese people in all this if they truly care?

    The Chinese are no different from anyone else. They are happy to tolerate authoritarianism as long as the authorities deliver the economic goods, and the CCP has been extremely successful at that (greater than 10% annual growth for 30 years straight). It is no different anywhere else. The Arab Spring was not about democracy, it was about economic stagnation.

    Until the Chinese economy has a major recession (which it will eventually), the CCP has nothing to worry about.

  • by Okian Warrior (537106) on Friday November 09, 2012 @04:12PM (#41935137) Homepage Journal

    You have no right to judge.

    Yes, yes we do. We have the right to say "that is wrong, you should stop that." Everyone does, about the actions of any political group (although they may be wrong, they have the right to say it). That's one of the things that "freedom of speech" and it's very very close partner "freedom of conscience", is all about.

    There's also this thing about "needing a right" before we're allowed to do anything.

    Even supposing the OP is correct, we actually have no right to judge, it's completely irrelevant.

    We can do whatever the fuck we want, we're not limited in our actions to some inclusive list of "rights". The OP has rights that we can't abridge, but beyond that we're free to do as we please.

    We don't have the right to judge (according to the OP), but we will do it anyway. China is wrong, their actions are less effective than actions based on freedom, and the sum total of all their authoritarian moves will eventually cause their downfall. Free regimes will outcompete authoritarianism in the long run in every case. "The illogic of waste".

  • by CohibaVancouver (864662) on Friday November 09, 2012 @05:11PM (#41935705)

    What the hell hell part of "Communist " wouldn't a nerd understated?

    I would say the majority of Slashdot have no clue. I see repeated posts calling America a 'police state' or if there is some censorship there is a cry that there is nowhere worse on the planet than the USA. Those that have never left their mother's basement have no idea what a real police state means, or what censorship means. It doesn't occur to them as they post their rants on a forum that in a lot of the world that forum wouldn't exist in the first place.

  • by HeckRuler (1369601) on Friday November 09, 2012 @06:35PM (#41936775)

    The United States is not a democracy.

    But we ARE democratic.

    Also, no-true-scotsman fallacy. If a nation has a system where the leaders are put into power by the masses, it's a democracy.
    Whine all you want about the oddities of the electoral college (and it IS pretty messed up), but people vote and have an influence, no matter how small, over who leads them. If the USA isn't a democracy, what is?

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