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Mother Found Guilty After Protesting TSA Pat-down of Daughter 652

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from the guess-it's-not-political-speech dept.
Penurious Penguin writes "In 2011, en route to Baltimore, Tennessee mother Andrea Abbott was arrested after squabbling with the TSA over their pat-down and "naked" body-scan process. Initially Abbott had protested a pat-down of her 14 year-old daughter, though eventually backed off. When her own turn came, she refused both a pat-down and body-scan. This week, despite having no criminal record, Abbott was found guilty of disorderly conduct and sentenced to one year of probation. A surveillance video of the affair shows what appears an agitated Abbott surrounded by various TSA agents, but seemingly contradicts the premise by which she was convicted. In the case against Abbott it was claimed that her behavior impeded the flow security-lines and lawful activity. Beyond Abbott's confession of issuing some verbal abuse, the video does not appear to display a significant blockage of traffic nor anything noticeably criminal."
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Mother Found Guilty After Protesting TSA Pat-down of Daughter

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 26, 2012 @04:16AM (#41775253)

    Scum like that should be executed!

    • by Cryacin (657549) on Friday October 26, 2012 @04:18AM (#41775265)
      Remember, next time it's room 101 for you Ma'am.
      • by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 26, 2012 @05:42AM (#41775697)

        Just vote Repubmocrat for more of the same treatment. The longer the TSA operates, the longer they have to refine authoritarian tyranny.

        • I wish (Score:5, Interesting)

          by Weezul (52464) on Friday October 26, 2012 @06:28AM (#41775923)

          Did Obama order DHS to comply with the court order requiring the TSA to publish various statistics that'd make the nuddy scanners look bad? No

          Anyways, you should always refuse the nuddy scanner and accept the pat down instead, if only for the radiation hazard.

        • by Technician (215283) on Friday October 26, 2012 @10:35AM (#41778801)

          This nonsense is why I have not flown since they started this. If enough did the same, the airlines would have to make changes to get customers again. Simply traveling and not putting up with this should not be a reason to have a criminal record.

          I can deal with this as a "Requirement" to fly. I don't fly. Take a car, bus, or train. Don't go through any checkpoints. If you don't go to your destination because of TSA blocks, ask the venu to be changed.

          This made a visit to a courthouse much easier recently when I had to drop off some records for the court. I did not go through security, but simply announced I was there just to drop off paperwork. I announced I had keys and a pocketknife and could not proceed past security, and had securiity call the person from their office to receive the paperwork. The paperwork cleared screening, I didn't need to.

          More people should do this.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 26, 2012 @05:54AM (#41775753)

      And seriously, trying to prevent there goons- I mean upstanding respectable employees, from copping a feel- I mean patting down an underaged girl- I mean a potential terrorist...

      What is this world coming to?

      Actually, what I found sad, is she spent more effort on preventing it herself than for her daughter.

  • No crime? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 26, 2012 @04:17AM (#41775261)

    She didn't want to be fondled by total strangers in public. There's your crime right there!

    • by Taco Cowboy (5327) on Friday October 26, 2012 @04:23AM (#41775291) Journal

      Let this be a test case for the tweedledee and tweedledum, who wants the job at the White House so badly --- do they support a public fondl... [ahem] a pat down of a 14 year old American girl, in an American air port?

      • by Cryacin (657549) on Friday October 26, 2012 @05:01AM (#41775495)
        I think you might find that yes, yes they do. For the sake of the children.
    • Re:No crime? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by stoofa (524247) on Friday October 26, 2012 @04:40AM (#41775393)
      "There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always — do not forget this, Winston — always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever." (from Orwell's 1984)
    • Re:No crime? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by epSos-de (2741969) on Friday October 26, 2012 @06:05AM (#41775801) Homepage Journal
      Evil thought: Someone could take the video of her abuse and then put an audio track with people who chant USA, USA, USA, during public events. This would be a great election video.
  • Not criminal? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Joce640k (829181) on Friday October 26, 2012 @04:18AM (#41775269) Homepage

    the video does not appear to display a significant blockage of traffic nor anything noticeably criminal.

    She was defying the TSA.

    If they let her get away with it then pretty soon other people would be defying them, too. All protesters must be stamped on, hard.

    • Re:Not criminal? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by NettiWelho (1147351) on Friday October 26, 2012 @04:29AM (#41775335)
      One would think that in the land of the free those kind of shenanigans would only provoke a stronger response from the populace..
      • Re:Not criminal? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by ciderbrew (1860166) on Friday October 26, 2012 @04:33AM (#41775359)
        The terrorists won years ago. They even elect them.
        • Re:Not criminal? (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 26, 2012 @04:42AM (#41775409)

          They're the ones who made all that shit up.

          Seriously. Man in cavern in middle east. Has rusty Rifle.

          Response: billions of dollars in (crony built) weapons. Crazy laws outlawing all manner of protest and enforced by (crony built) equipment and forces.

          You lost before you knew you were playing.

      • Re:Not criminal? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by BorgDrone (64343) on Friday October 26, 2012 @04:34AM (#41775369) Homepage

        You forget it is also the home of the brave. Where 'brave' means so scared of the extremely remote chance you might be the victim of terrorism that they gladly give up their freedoms.

        Land of the oppressed, home of the cowards.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 26, 2012 @04:43AM (#41775413)

        One would think that in the land of the free those kind of shenanigans would only provoke a stronger response from the populace..

        It's OK, as long as everyone has a gun they will prevent the government from overstepping its bounds.

      • Re:Not criminal? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Joce640k (829181) on Friday October 26, 2012 @04:47AM (#41775441) Homepage

        One would think that in the land of the free those kind of shenanigans would only provoke a stronger response from the populace..

        Normally these acts would have people screaming, calling police, lawyers, etc.

        But ... the government knows that most people with a 'plane to catch will choose 20 seconds of utter humiliation over a 30-minute confrontation with big brother.

        If the people got their act together and organized themselves the TSA would be shut down in a week. Unfortunately most of them have already set up the cognitive dissonances that the government planned for them.

        • Re:Not criminal? (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Rockoon (1252108) on Friday October 26, 2012 @04:57AM (#41775479)
          The TSA is no longer about security, or even security theater. It is now a jobs program. Can't kill the TSA because that means 60000 more unemployment people, all of whom will be pissed off at whatever administration does it.
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by Anonymous Coward

            You should have them clean the airport toilets and floors. Would be usefull, and would promote tourism instead of scaring the people like me who would like to visit USA but won't because you have become damn scary in the past 10 years.

        • Re:Not criminal? (Score:5, Interesting)

          by jbolden (176878) on Friday October 26, 2012 @06:30AM (#41775943) Homepage

          The people did get together and organized themselves. The responded to 9/11 with a longterm deep boycott of the airlines until security improved and constant demands for more security. I think they were wrong. But don't kid yourself about which side had democratic support.

          In terms of now there are regular hearings on this and the security side wins the debate whenever you poll.

      • Re:Not criminal? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by sociocapitalist (2471722) on Friday October 26, 2012 @05:08AM (#41775523)

        One would think that in the land of the free those kind of shenanigans would only provoke a stronger response from the populace..

        They might, if more of said populace were still educated and had their eyes open to what's happening instead of sitting fat and happy in front of their sports programs.

        • Re:Not criminal? (Score:5, Insightful)

          by pla (258480) on Friday October 26, 2012 @05:30AM (#41775647) Journal
          instead of sitting fat and happy in front of their sports programs.

          ...Or reading/posting to Slashdot about it. ;)
          • Re:Not criminal? (Score:4, Insightful)

            by blind biker (1066130) on Friday October 26, 2012 @09:26AM (#41777717) Journal

            ...Or reading/posting to Slashdot about it. ;)

            I'll actually go ahead and disagree with your message: talking about these issues, even if we don't do anything immediately, is trillions times better than just staying put and consuming some pop entertainment. We share among us our thoughts on what's wrong, what should and what shouldn't be, we educate each other on facts and events.

            I cannot but look at this as a positive way to spend one's time.

      • Re:Not criminal? (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 26, 2012 @05:10AM (#41775537)

        Look up bread and circuses

      • Re:Not criminal? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by contrarywise (1981398) on Friday October 26, 2012 @05:20AM (#41775599)
        I'm a European and I will not be vacationing in the US. Not much of a sanction, just a few thousand dollars less in the US economy, but what do you expect me to do - declare war on the buggers?
        • Re:Not criminal? (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Lumpy (12016) on Friday October 26, 2012 @05:45AM (#41775715) Homepage

          As an american, I strongly suggest that anyone from outside to not visit us. This is a Police State, we like tromping on freedoms here. and they treat non citizens WORSE than citizens.

          Your money is better spent in a Free country like Canada.

        • Re:Not criminal? (Score:4, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 26, 2012 @06:17AM (#41775845)

          Airport security by itself wouldn't stop me from travelling to the US, but there's so much more than that. There are plenty of countries that are "trusted" and so qualify for visa-free travel to the US for business or tourism - standard short stay stuff. Unfortunately, the list of requirements to qualify for that keeps growing. If you don't have a biometric passport containing details of retina patterns and fingerprints, matched against your passport on entry, you don't get to travel visa-free. The visa application process takes months and requires multiple visits in the flesh to a US embassy. Coincidentally, a passport application to update to a shiny new biometric passport also takes month and multiple visits in the flesh to a passport office.

          Can anybody honestly say there's anything in the US that is so uniquely spectacular that it's worth all the hassle and paperwork? I can travel throughout the entire Schengen area with nothing more than a flash of an ID card. There are dozens of nations where a visa is just a bit of paper that you purchase on entry.

          • Re:Not criminal? (Score:4, Interesting)

            by ckedge (192996) on Friday October 26, 2012 @07:58AM (#41776547) Journal

            > Can anybody honestly say there's anything in the US that is so uniquely spectacular

            Delicate Arch in Arches National Park.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delicate_Arch [wikipedia.org]

            http://www.uilleann.org/Piperlink-Moab/Delicate-Arch-Trio.jpg [uilleann.org]

            I'm Canadian and so I totally understand and sympathize with the desire to not go to the US, the world is a big place. (Although I think I'm excluded still from a lot of the shit the rest of you have to put up with)

            But I've been a *lot* of spectacular places in the world, and Delicate Arch blew me away. The shape, the SIZE, the shaped ground-smooth rock and formations framing it, the bowl below it, it's isolated surrounded by canyons and hills.

            Everyone in the world should see Delicate Arch.

            ( And while you're there, hit Canyonlands, Bryce, Grand Canyon, Mesa Verde, etc. Here's my trip plan in google maps (note two pages of itinerary to show the entire loop). http://goo.gl/maps/V6VfY [goo.gl] Took us 6 days to do the full circle and we skipped San Juan National Forest. You could easily spend 12 days doing the same route. )

        • Re:Not criminal? (Score:5, Interesting)

          by epSos-de (2741969) on Friday October 26, 2012 @06:22AM (#41775867) Homepage Journal
          Vacationing in US is kind of stressful. You have to register yourself before going to US and then you are required to perform face and fingerprint scans at the airport. You can not have normal food in there and their public transport is not nice at all. They might also put you in detention for no reason, if your name is similar to the name on the screen. Seriously, people. Go visit Europe, we have lesser rules for paying tourists as long as they do not intend immigration, which also sucks in Europe.
  • America... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Zemran (3101) on Friday October 26, 2012 @04:18AM (#41775271) Homepage Journal

    ... Land of the Freedom to abuse

  • by temcat (873475) on Friday October 26, 2012 @04:26AM (#41775311)

    She wanted to deny the TSA staff their legal right to watch naked 14 yo girls!

  • by novium (1680776) on Friday October 26, 2012 @04:27AM (#41775323)

    Questioning the system will get you in trouble every time. It helps make sure that the cost of complaining or asserting your rights or asking for consideration or doing anything but keeping your head down and doing whatever you're told is too high compared to the (relatively) momentary discomfort and inconvenience. And it's pretty effective too. I know my rights- in encounters with the police, or when going through security at the airport - but when if a cop stopped me for no reason walking to the store (as frequently happens to my sister) and demanded to see my ID or search my bag....I can't say I wouldn't do exactly as she does and just go with it. I certainly do with the TSA's nonsense. The possibility of getting dragged off for some bullshit reason is a good threat. Even if it doesn't stick, it still sucked. You still endangered your job/vacation/whatever.

  • by Jafafa Hots (580169) on Friday October 26, 2012 @04:30AM (#41775339) Homepage Journal

    ...one of them would jump right up to fund fighting her case all the way to the Supreme Court. What the hell, lunch money.

    But they won't of course, because you can't be a decent person and be a billionaire.

  • by Fuzzums (250400) on Friday October 26, 2012 @04:53AM (#41775461) Homepage

    But WTF : In the case against Abbott it was claimed that her behavior impeded the flow security-lines and lawful activity.
    Is that a crime? Seriously?!

  • ...where absolute conformity and submission to the machinery of bureaucracy and state surveillance is a precondition for being able to function for any and every citizen. The police state is strengthening its grip upon us. Upon you. Upon me.
  • by ignavus (213578) on Friday October 26, 2012 @06:26AM (#41775895)

    The government should set up an agency whose sole function is to prosecute people who object to the setting up of this agency.

    "What a stupid idea!" I hear you say? You're another dangerous malcontent who must be investigated!

  • by Nyder (754090) on Friday October 26, 2012 @06:56AM (#41776065) Journal

    The problem was questioning authority. I'm a bit of an expert on this. I find when I start questioning authority, mainly in a loud, commanding voice, 1 of 2 things happens. Either they cave in because they are sheep. Or they get really butthurt and need to make an example of me. Authority does not like being questioned, mainly when they are doing fucked up shit that needs to be questioned.

    Did she get out of line? Probably. Emotions get flaring, it's easy to get a bit overboard. But watching the video, it seems to me there was a point, when she could of just walked away, and instead she came back to argue, bitch, or whatever. It's possible she got edged on by something being said, it's possible she didn't. But there was a point there when she could of just left, like they were letting her do, and she didn't. I'm guessing that is why she didn't win her court case, because of that action there.

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