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Facebook Won't Take Down Undercover Cop Page In Australia 254

New submitter jaa101 writes "Facebook has refused a request from Australian police to take down a page with details of undercover police vehicles saying it cannot stop people taking photos in public places. The original story is paywalled and it doesn't give a link to the relevant page which seems to be here . This page for the state of Victoria has 12000 likes but a similar page for the state of Queensland has over 34000, and there are other Australian pages too."
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Facebook Won't Take Down Undercover Cop Page In Australia

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  • by Frosty Piss ( 770223 ) * on Saturday October 20, 2012 @07:22PM (#41717749)

    If the police are being outed undercover then don't whine when crime occurs.

    If "Law Enforcement" didn't regularly abuse their sweeping privileges, maybe this wouldn't even have come up?

  • Undercover? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by radiumsoup ( 741987 ) on Saturday October 20, 2012 @07:39PM (#41717841)

    Unmarked != undercover... or is that what Aussies call their unmarked cars?

  • by SiriusStarr ( 1196697 ) <SumStultusSedEsQ ... UTom minus punct> on Saturday October 20, 2012 @07:42PM (#41717861)
    Everyone is neglecting the fact that this isn't about outing police officers who are undercover. It's about outing unmarked police cars, which serve no purpose other than to try to catch people for traffic violations and in fact are going to be worse at deterring crime than a marked police vehicle, since the sight of a cop car is a powerful deterrent. It's not like undercover cops drive unmarked cop cars with light bars and antennas; that would be a dead giveaway. Frankly, I like police vehicles to be visible so that I can find them in the event of an emergency if I need help. I care far less about fining the people who are driving 5 miles per hour over the speed limit.
  • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Saturday October 20, 2012 @07:48PM (#41717891)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by Gothmolly ( 148874 ) on Saturday October 20, 2012 @08:13PM (#41718007)

    Sucks when the law works against you, doesn't it?

    Good for facebook - teach these little hitlers that society works both ways. Being a part of the executive doesn't provide you with special privilege.

  • Re:Erm... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by gomiam ( 587421 ) on Saturday October 20, 2012 @08:25PM (#41718099)
    No no, they don't don't ;)
  • by LordLucless ( 582312 ) on Saturday October 20, 2012 @09:55PM (#41718613)

    The thin blue line should be thinner around consensual crime, and around extracting cash from motorists by parking themselves on mis-zoned "speeding hotspots", and thicker around thefts and violent crime.

    The police near us regularly set up speed traps along a six-lane, divided road zoned at 60kmh (it was zoned thus 20 years ago, when it was just a two-lane road, and hasn't been changed as the road's grown) or just before the onramp to the freeway, where the speed limit changes from 60kmh to 110kmh over a few hundred metres.

    Meanwhile, when some friends of ours were robbed, the police just told them to call their insurance company, and check out the local pawn shops.

  • by SiriusStarr ( 1196697 ) <SumStultusSedEsQ ... UTom minus punct> on Saturday October 20, 2012 @09:57PM (#41718627)
    It wasn't a matter of whether or not he was breaking the law. Parent claimed you don't get pulled over for 5 over, but in fact you certainly can where I live.

    Additionally, due to inaccuracies in speedometers and poor reaction times (e.g. to changing slopes of hills), it's impossible to drive at or under 60 without having your speedo sitting more like 53-55, in which case you will in fact be driving dangerously by going significantly slower than the flow of traffic. The problem with speed limits/speeding is that speeding is not inherently dangerous (at reasonable speeds; certainly driving 150 is). Rather, moving at a significantly different speed than the flow of traffic is dangerous. I am in fact putting myself and those around me in more danger by driving at 60 if everyone around me is going 75 than by driving 75 with them. The answer certainly isn't to abolish speed limits, but the point is that strict enforcement of speed limits increases revenue, not safety.

  • by girlintraining ( 1395911 ) on Saturday October 20, 2012 @11:40PM (#41719159)

    Are they now saying that information can be misused by wrong-doers, and that privacy actually has a value?

    Almost. They're saying their privacy has value and your privacy doesn't. Although this is hardly the first time authority has claimed exemption from its own laws. While I'm sure there are earlier examples, it was Syrus who first said "Ad calamitatem quilibet rumor valet", which translated means "Every rumor is believed when directed against the unfortunate." That's how authority keeps people supporting it no matter how bad the justification is. I could be a police officer and right now get up, walk outside, and shoot the first person I see in the head. No reason whatsoever. But here's the thing: The human mind can't handle reasonless action. All actions require justification, and so we fill in what we don't know with what we expect. What we want.

    In the end, the guy I just shot in the head, well... he deserved it. He must have done something. Why else would me, the nice police officer, have shot him?

    And that's how they get you -- every time. Authority is always right because authority is always right because...

  • by Jessified ( 1150003 ) on Sunday October 21, 2012 @03:45AM (#41720095)

    Amen brother. The police say that this facebook page is compromising police safety? How do you think people realized it was an unmarked police car? Because it identified itself when it pulled someone over for a bullshit traffic violation. If it's so urgent that the car's identity remain unknown, perhaps they shouldn't blow the cover over meaningless bullshit.

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