DHS Gets Public Comment, Whether It Wants It Or Not 228
OverTheGeicoE writes "The motion to force DHS to start its public comment period is still working its way through the court (DHS: 'We're not stonewalling!', EPIC: 'Yes, you are!'). While we wait for the decision, Cato Institute's Jim Harper points out another way for the public to comment on body scanners, tsacomment.com. Even before this site existed, of course, the government was receiving public comment anyway in the form of passenger complaint letters, which they buried in their files. Even so, the public can get a chance to view those comments as the result of Freedom of Information Act requests. An FOIA request about pat-downs by governmentattic.org yielded hundreds of pages of letters to the government from 2010, including frequent reports of pat-down induced PTSD and sexual abuse trauma."
Popular vote (Score:5, Insightful)
I believe I speak for many Americans when I say my comment is "Go away."
Re:Popular vote (Score:5, Insightful)
Many yes, but far too many feel that "If that's the price we have to pay for safety, then so be it".
Which of course has SO much wrong with it.
What good is public comment (Score:5, Insightful)
when your comments are completely ignored?
Re:Popular vote (Score:5, Insightful)
There was recent poll (on CNN I believe), that claimed people in general were satisfied with the TSA (note that some of them dont fly at all, and have never experienced the TSA, but decided to vote)
Anxiety (Score:4, Insightful)
DHS' existence makes the case for states rights (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Popular vote (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Popular vote (Score:5, Insightful)
The majority also supported the roundup of Japanese-americans during WW2, depriving them of their liberty, property, and right to a jury trial. That doesn't make the majority's trampeling of individual rights okay, either then or now.
Re:This is going to get ugly (Score:5, Insightful)
They don't have to beat the TSA. They can blow themselves up in the queue for the scanner and have pretty much the same effect.
Re:What good is public comment (Score:4, Insightful)
It provides the illusion of legitimate democracy while actually effecting nothing, thus keeping the herd *quiet*
Re:There are much better ways to spend money (Score:4, Insightful)
If a simple pat-down "induced PTSD and sexual abuse trauma", it is more likely to suggest a problem with the passenger rather than the TSA.
So it is the passenger's fault they have issues being groped?
Passengers that have been sexually abused have had issues with the TSA groping reviving trauma from the initial attack. That is kinda what PTSD does to a person.
I know, I know, it is hard for anyone on Slashdot to imagine being the subject of unwanted sexual attention, but these things do happen.
Re:Popular vote (Score:2, Insightful)
communists won (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:DHS' existence makes the case for states rights (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Popular vote (Score:4, Insightful)
The majority is often wrong. To see this, you only have to look to slavery, segregation, anti-semitism, the Iraq war, and Nazi politics among other things.
In times like this you need strong clear leadership from the few in power.
Re:Anxiety (Score:5, Insightful)
but living under that fear should not be a necessity of a reasonably safe flying experience
There is no evidence at all that you are any safer. In fact the TSA has failed to detect smuggled banned objects in every official test, several unofficial tests, and several anecdotal accounts that I'm aware of - and there have been numerous publications on how the various methods they use are easily fooled and/or don't detect the proper types of materials.
You are living in fear and you're not even safer for your trouble.
=Smidge=
Re:There are much better ways to spend money (Score:5, Insightful)
it's not like you didn't know it was coming.
Ahhh, the justification that makes everything the TSA does A-OK.
Re:Enhanced Pat Down (Score:5, Insightful)
Maybe not then, but you do now.
My choice is not to visit the US. At the moment, their airport security there isn't something I'm willing to subject myself to.
I've been lightly frisked elsewhere (politely, and not overly invasive), which is fine because I refuse to get into that scanner thing. But compared to what I've heard of the idiocy with TSA ... not happening.
Ever since Alberto Gonzales said habeus corpus [wikipedia.org] isn't actually guaranteed, there's been a fairly obvious conclusion that pesky things like the US Constitution just get in the way. (How an Attorney General can have no idea how your laws work still baffles me.)
And since now apparently there's a huge Constitution Free Zone [aclu.org] ... if it doesn't apply to citizens, I sure as hell don't want to be a foreign national.
Sadly, 9/11 was when America jumped the shark in terms of her historical defense of rights.
Re:There are much better ways to spend money (Score:4, Insightful)
people with existing traumas are something else, of course, but the TSA doesn't have any systems to deal with that properly
That's the case that people are talking about. And the TSA does have the system to deal with it properly. It's called respect our civil rights and don't search people without a warrant or probable cause.
Re:Popular vote (Score:2, Insightful)
Yes, imprisoning your own citizens prevents foreign powers from attacking. Riiiiight.
Re:Popular vote (Score:4, Insightful)
Only if you assume that the few in power are morally better than the majority. But since they're drawn from the same pool, and the process of obtaining power selects against the wise and the kind, you can be assured that they are not.
We do not give power to the majority because the majority is wise. We do so to dilute the influence of individual corruption. If a king rules in a way that only benefits the king, you can be assured that most of his subjects are suffering. If the majority rules in a way that only benefits the majority, then at least 50% of the people are happy.