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Judge Orders Release of Ex-Marine Detained Over Facebook Posts 333

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Penurious Penguin writes "A few days ago, news of an ex-marine detained for his Facebook posts reached far and wide throughout the interweb. It was a hotly debated affair and considered from many perspectives. Today, a judge has ordered the release of Brandon Raub, citing a lack of facts regarding the detention. It's a strange case, undoubtedly, but perhaps even stranger when taking into account a few things. For example, Raub reportedly made claims that one of the psychiatrists involved in the case threatened him with forced medication. For history polymaths, government proposals of forced medication may not be a surprise; you may remember the case of Susan Lindauer. The situation may also remind of 2009, when Fusion Centers targeted Ron Paul supporters, certain universities, and conspiracy theorists as threats to national security, even logging anti death-penalty and anti-war activists into federal terrorism databases. Personally, I find myself wondering what sorts of epic dangers someone like Noam Chomsky might seem to pose after a stressful day and a few beers, if overheard by certain departments."
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Judge Orders Release of Ex-Marine Detained Over Facebook Posts

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  • by crazyjj (2598719) * on Friday August 24, 2012 @11:02AM (#41109745)

    I don't know if this guy was ever a real threat to anyone or not, but he certainly isn't some super-patriot or free speech hero. He's mentally ill, and really does need help (even if you can't force it). The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes and sacrifices children. He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government who also seem to spend most of their time raping and sacrificing children (when they're not planning world domination, I guess).

    Whatever you think of the free speech issues involved, please don't celebrate this dude. He's very sick and needs help.

  • History polymath? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by gazbo (517111) on Friday August 24, 2012 @11:08AM (#41109821)
    A polymath in a specific subject?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24, 2012 @11:09AM (#41109853)

    More troops are coming home. A lot of them spent a lot of time overseas, and despite the intense media spin that says otherwise, we did some really messed up shit over there.

    We took bright-eyed young people raised in an age of hope and peace and dropped them in to the middle of a secratarian human rights mess and forced them to watch the destruction of countless families and lives first hand.. And often by actions of their own hands.

    Now that they're home we don't need them anymore, and we'll tell them to suck it up and deal with it. We're sorry you had to watch your buddies get blown up by a roadside bomb. We're sorry you had to watch some child bleed out and die in your arms. We just don't want to pay for the costs of treating your trauma.

  • Forced medication (Score:2, Insightful)

    by operagost (62405) on Friday August 24, 2012 @11:10AM (#41109867) Homepage Journal
    Most Slashdotters are for mandatory vaccinations, so why would you ever be against forced medication? Clearly, these people are a danger to society.
  • by arth1 (260657) on Friday August 24, 2012 @11:11AM (#41109877) Homepage Journal

    He's mentally ill

    How, exactly, do you know this? You have the qualifications to set a diagnosis and have enough data to comfortably do so?

    The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes and sacrifices children. He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government who also seem to spend most of their time raping and sacrificing children (when they're not planning world domination, I guess).

    Again, how do you know this?

    The pope is secretly an ant-eater, and Neil Young planned the invasion of Kuwait.

    There. You now think you have enough evidence to conclude that (a) I believe that, and (b) are insane?

    Leave the diagnoses to the professionals, please.

  • by postbigbang (761081) on Friday August 24, 2012 @11:16AM (#41109949)

    Making observations based on superficial evidence is usually pretty dicey, but the opinions he ostensibly represents would lead one to believe that there are paranoid delusions being spouted, rather than random disinformation usually attributed to political parties.

    In your case, being obviously preposterous is much different than being delusional. While professionals are the ultimate observers, we civilians can make reasonably educated guesses ourselves.

  • by Hatta (162192) on Friday August 24, 2012 @11:16AM (#41109951) Journal

    You're right the free speech issues here are minimal. The real problem is how we deal with the mentally ill in this country. He needs help, not prison.

    Unfortunately, in this puritanical country mental illness is treated like demonic posession. That is, something to punish the victim for to make ourselves feel more righteous. That's even more sick than this guy is.

  • Kafka (Score:5, Insightful)

    by arth1 (260657) on Friday August 24, 2012 @11:31AM (#41110203) Homepage Journal

    He should have an offer of the very best help possible, paid for by the same people who paid for him being a marine.

    I'm not so sure that he should be forced into treatment until and unless he causes harm, not just talk. That opens up for Kafkanesque abuse.

  • by cpu6502 (1960974) on Friday August 24, 2012 @11:40AM (#41110365)

    (1) I wanted to comment that those who said the marine "deserved to be jailed" were wrong. The cops handed-in a blank piece of paper!!! Basically the cops arrested him without causes and this shit should not be happening in America. Thankfully we had a judge who still serves the Virginia Constitution (shall not be deprived of freedom w/o due process) and released the man ASAP.

    (2) The "version" of this Bilderberg theory I hear is that Bush is dumb as dirt. He was just a puppet that was used by Cheney and other connected men to manipulate things behind the scenes. (This same theory also claims Obama is a puppet.) Here's a photo that is frequently used. It's Bush's head but overlaid with an Obama mask..... meaning nothing has really changed except the frontman:

    http://www.dokumentarci.com.hr/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/The_Obama_Deception_by_virtuadc.jpg [dokumentarci.com.hr]

  • by gmanterry (1141623) on Friday August 24, 2012 @12:01PM (#41110707) Journal

    I don't know if this guy was ever a real threat to anyone or not, but he certainly isn't some super-patriot or free speech hero. He's mentally ill, and really does need help (even if you can't force it). The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes and sacrifices children. He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government who also seem to spend most of their time raping and sacrificing children (when they're not planning world domination, I guess).

    Whatever you think of the free speech issues involved, please don't celebrate this dude. He's very sick and needs help.

    Here is a link to what is supposed to be on his FaceBook page:

    http://wtvr.com/2012/08/21/full-text-brandon-raubs-proclamation-take-our-republic-back/ [wtvr.com]

    I don't see any references to Bush or children and being a former Marine myself, I agree with what he says. If he was arrested for this, it is just wrong and they need to put me away too.

  • by thedonger (1317951) on Friday August 24, 2012 @12:40PM (#41111367)

    The "version" of this Bilderberg theory I hear is that Bush is dumb as dirt

    I think there's enough video evidence from him speaking to prove that point.

    Bush said an incredible amount of Really Stupid Things. I find it hard to believe anybody still believes he's anything but a drooling chimp.

    Just curious, but when Obama said he had visited 57 states, did you see that as being stupid? How about the unbelievably numerous times he stammers in his non-teleprompter speeches, e.g., I-I-I-I-I-I don't- wha-wha-wha-what I mean; you see, the-the-the..., and so on? Or is he still The Great Orator? Genius, voice of a generation? And Haliburton is evil, but what about Obama's Goldman-Sachs chums in the administration?

    We spend so much time complaining, yet it is us - the people, the voters - who opted to sit around and watch television and let politicians warp the constitution to serve their need for power. The right and the left serve the same master. But it isn't the people.

  • Stupidiosity (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24, 2012 @01:34PM (#41112117)

    Bush said an incredible amount of Really Stupid Things. I find it hard to believe anybody still believes he's anything but a drooling chimp.

    I'm not dumb enough to start defending Bush's intelligence, but let me tell you something: there are lots of different ways to be dumb. Some people think I am some kind of raging genius (as if), not realizing how they routinely take certain skills & knowledge for granted which totally flummox me. But yeah: vice versa, too: I can do things they literally aren't able to imagine.

    That is, I'm both dumb and smart. Or to put another way...

    I am dumb enough to start defending components of Bush's intelligence. As weird as it is, that guy knew how to do whatever it is that it takes, to get elected president. And even weirder, he got re-elected .. after wasting shitloads of tax money on a totally useless war (which everyone knew in advance would be useless) .. and he was re-elected by supposedly conservative party! That's not "intelligence" as most of us here on /. define it, and yet if I ask you how to do it, I think you'd probably come up with a total blank.

    I have talked to seemingly-rational people, who it turns out practice religion.

    I have talked to people who are smart enough to perform eye surgery, and dumb enough to smoke cigarettes. And others who are smart enough to not smoke, but dumb enough to buy Apple phones.

    There is no one-dimensional continuum of stupidity; it's multi-dimensional and complex. There is almost nothing that I would just blanket assume GWB is too dumb for.

    OTOH, GWB really is too dumb for what is being discussed. So bad example but my point is .. oh, never mind.

  • by mcgrew (92797) * on Friday August 24, 2012 @04:18PM (#41114217) Homepage Journal

    When I worked at Disney, a fellow I worked with was a retired police officer. He referred to himself as an "ex-cop". A musician I met once named Dwayne Mahoney also referred to himself as an "ex-cop", he had resigned his police job in New York to seek fame in California (he did later).

    "Ex" simply refers to "used to be". As in "I used to be married to my ex-wife".

    A little checking finds no dictionary definition (except the urban dictionary, which isn't a real dictionar in my eyes), ask.com says "No such thing. Once a Marine, always a Marine."

    The US marine birthplace memorial web site says

    Once a Marine, Always a Marine: This truism was adopted as the official motto of the Marine Corps League. The origin of the statement is credited to a gung-ho Marine Corps Master Sergeant, Paul Woyshner. During a barroom argument he shouted, "Once a Marine, always a Marine!" MSgt. Woyshner was right. Once the title "U.S. Marine" has been earned, it is retained. There are no ex-Marines or former-Marines. There are (1) active duty Marines, (2) retired Marines, (3) reserve Marines, and (4) Marine veterans. Nonetheless, once one has earned the title, he remains a Marine for life.

    So one doesn't have to be fired from the police force to be an ex-cop, you can split peacefully from your ex-wife (it happens sometimes), but you can't be an ex-marine.

    Did the X-Men all get sex change operations?

  • by djlowe (41723) * on Friday August 24, 2012 @04:51PM (#41114723)

    The military really needs to deprogram these guys and integrate them back into the population. I would propose a type of "Combat Engineering" program, to shift these guys into some good paying, hard working jobs back home, via prepping them for things like road construction. We need to rework the infrastructure, unless we are just going to let the country fall into a vast wasteland. I present to you the concept of a Trans Americas Highway system, to tie the entire continents of North and South America together. A big project, but very handy for developing this part of the world. It's what advanced civilizations do.

    That or something like it, to burn off a decade of war stress, by building something. Let's build it here, fuck them. They need to build something.

    I present to you, a person who goes by the nickname "lexsird", who thinks that the solution to these kinds of problems is to compell members of the military, eligible to muster out honorably, to participate in forced manual labor for the "greater good", because "lexsird" wants a North/South American highway system, wants to rebuild the infrastructure in the US, and thinks that forced labor is the way to go.

    Sure, sure, we'll pay 'em well, and it's for their own good, after all - Hell, ain't no kinda mental problem can't be fixed by some good, old-fashioned manual labor! And, if'n they get outta line? Well, we gots lotsa ways to deal with that, too!

    You ARE correct in stating that the highway infrastructure in the US needs rebuilding, and since you seem so concerned about it? Rather than volunteer others for it, why not volunteer yourself? Oh, yeah, that's right - manual labor isn't for the likes of you, right?

    Let's build it here, fuck them.

    Goddamn right! Fuck the veterans!

    They need to build something.

    That's the only thing in your post with which I agree. However, that something isn't roads, it's their lives. THEIR lives, on THEIR terms. Your complete lack of empathy, your cookie-cutter approach to what is an enormously complex and difficult issue, one which you've proven by your words that you've never experienced, tells me that you're clueless, at best.

    It's what advanced civilizations do.

    Yes, that's exactly what advanced civilizations do: Public works using forced labor comprised of miltary veterans returned from the battlefield after serving their country honorably. Yup, that's exactly correct.

    So, what do you do for an encore? Forced sterilization of people with physical or mental defects?

    Sorry, but I am not interested in your ideas, nor do I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

    Regards,

    dj

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