Five EU Countries Taken To Court For Failing To Implement Cookie Law 130
concertina226 writes "The European Commission announced on Thursday that it has asked the European Court of Justice to impose fines on Belgium, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal and Slovenia for not transposing binding telecoms rules into their national laws. The official deadline for doing so was 25 May last year. These telecoms rules are aimed at protecting users' privacy online. They also require companies to notify users about any data breach without undue delay and to allow customers to switch fixed or mobile phone operators without changing their phone number, within one working day. But the main sticking point in the telecoms package appears to be the requirement for Web companies to obtain 'explicit consent' from Internet users before storing cookies."
leave the EU (Score:3, Insightful)
The correct solution is to leave that horribly mutated experiment.
1) These rules are pointless - session cookies per se are of no consequence, but retention of vast amounts of data by Google & co. is;
2) Retention of data for government purposes is an especial threat, yet the EU promotes this rather than restricting it.
The EU has failed. It has turned into a method for economic domination by Germany and, to a lesser extent, France. Iceland rightly outright avoided the effects of financial subjugation, Greece should take the opportunity to do so right now, and so over the years should any other nation which values its sovereignty.
Re:leave the EU (Score:5, Insightful)
Greece borrows a fuckton of money, pisses it up the wall and then throws a massive sulk when asked to pay it back. Meanwhile Germany makes stuff that people want to buy.
Just who's being subjugated here?
Re:leave the EU (Score:5, Insightful)
Greece borrows a fuckton of money, pisses it up the wall and then throws a massive sulk when asked to pay it back. Meanwhile Germany makes stuff that people want to buy.
The past Greek governments have done a terrible job and now the country suffers for it - this is undoubtedly true. It is also true that the German economy has been much better.
However, Germany has benefited enormously from sharing a currency with them. Being one of the world's largest exporters, they benefit from a relatively weak currency. If they had their own currency now they would be like Switzerland - a safe haven in the crisis, with a very strong currency and problems with exports.
But currently the problems in the other countries devalue the euro, meaning Germany gets to export at great prices. Meanwhile the crisis-hit euro countries have an over-valued currency, and they can't do anything about it. Basically, Germany gets a huge boost for free and pretends it's all due to working hard.
Germany is resisting money-printing and collective eurobonds which would give the crisis-hit countries an opportunity to grow again. They want the others to sort their own things out - but if the others run out of options and crash, Germany might end up wishing they had done something.
FWIW I'm in one of the rich and balanced euro countries. Doesn't matter, I still think we need something else than "tough love" to solve this.
Re:leave the EU (Score:5, Insightful)
Do you know how easy it was for me to start up a company in Norway? Required only internet access and a couple of days, and that was 8 years ago.
In greece, you'd be lucky with 10 months and lots of bribes. E.g. check out this article [nytimes.com]. And there's plenty of renowned international studies into corruption, ease of business, etc, and the Northern European countries top all those.
There's no grand conspiracy, no effort at keeping the south down through infrastructure loans or anything. The countries that are doing excellent through this crisis, e.g. the Northern European countries, do so for entirely obvious reasons.
It might have been slightly naive of us to think that Greece would have taken the out-stretched hand and used it to reform into a prosperous European social-democratic country, not try to steal our watch and rings to waste on wine and dance.
So what are you saying exactly? (Score:4, Insightful)
"But currently the problems in the other countries devalue the euro, meaning Germany gets to export at great prices."
Which means that greece could also export at great prices if they actually bothered to produce anything that anyone wanted.
"Basically, Germany gets a huge boost for free and pretends it's all due to working hard"
Rubbish - it is due to working hard. Meanwhile the greeks don't bother to pay their taxes then whine abd bitch like little children when finally it all goes t1ts up.
No sympathy. The greeks made their bed , well its time to lie down.
Re:leave the EU (Score:5, Insightful)
The greeks didn't protest when all the money was loaned to them in the first place so they could go on a massive public sector spending binge and buy the fast cars and beachfront villas. Now its somehow the fault of the organisations who loaned it that the greedy tax dodging greeks are in this mess because they didn't understand Economics 101?? On yer bike pal.
Re:So what are you saying exactly? (Score:4, Insightful)
"But currently the problems in the other countries devalue the euro, meaning Germany gets to export at great prices."
Which means that greece could also export at great prices if they actually bothered to produce anything that anyone wanted.
Easier said then done, there is a lot of marketing behind Germany, along with a lot of positive stereotypes about their engineering quality, etc....
When people think Germany, the think high quality engineering, studious and stable country, well educated workforce, beer and sausages.
When people think Greece, they think ancient ruins, philosophy, beaches, hot sun, sea, holidays, parties and natural beauty.
As such when people have a choice between a Greek engineered product, and a German one for the same price, an overwhelming majority would go for the German good, even if the Greek one is just as good (or even better).
The Germans have reputation, which they built up before the EU due to being a phenomenal European power. They have had this reputation for hundreds of years. You can' t just create that for another country.
I've known Greek engineers, I've known them produce stuff that was as good or better than their German counterparts. However nobody wanted to buy it at German prices. In the olden days it was ok, as the drachma was a weaker currency, so their goods were cheaper and they would get purchases from budget conscious buyers, who'd end up surprised by the quality.
However once they joined the Euro, their costs increased to the same level as Germany's, and so they had to raise their prices to remain profitable. This made them about as expensive as the German goods, and their sales dried up. They were too expensive for the budget buyers (who buy from east-europe/China now) while those who bought and paid German prices bought them for their reputation, and would not buy the Greek product.
As a result, they went bankrupt, and one of them ended up moving to Germany, where he now makes Germany money via his taxes. A net loss for Greece and a net gain for Germany, which is an inbalance that just grows with time.
"Basically, Germany gets a huge boost for free and pretends it's all due to working hard"
Rubbish - it is due to working hard. Meanwhile the greeks don't bother to pay their taxes then whine abd bitch like little children when finally it all goes t1ts up.
No sympathy. The greeks made their bed , well its time to lie down.
Reading this, I can't help feeling that I've just been trolled, and perhaps I have (in which case congratulations on Trolling me). However I will complete this anyway, as I've written most of it as is, and adding information to a debate is always a good idea.
Yes, Greece has a problem with overbearing bureaucracy, and yes they have an issue with tax collection and corruption. However that does not negate what the grandparent poster said. He was spot on.
If Germany was not in the Euro, it's DMark would be so strong, that their goods would be uncompetitive with the the rest of the world. They would also not have a captive market (in the case of the rest of the eurozone countries) which can guarantee some exports no matter what.
Trust me, if the eurozone wasn't working out for Germany they would leave. They are not staying the out of the goodness of their hearts, or due to some old war guilt. The fact is that the German government knows what the grand parent posted, they know that they are getting a huge boost for free, they know that the eurozone is helping them immensely.
The problem is that the status quo cannot continue. Germany has sucked up all the production out of the rest of the eurozone (barring Italy and northern countries) and countries are collapsing. So at this point either the EU integrates further, which involves some redistribution of wealth from Germany, by whichever mechanism is chosen (euro inflation, bailouts, etc...), or it starts falling apart (perhaps the development of a "Core" EU of stronger economies, with peripheries that can use a weaker currency).
Re:Ensured? (Score:2, Insightful)
Whoever modded that informative post "overrated" is one of the aliterates who don't understand that sometimes a misspelling can completely change the meaning of a sentence, as the GP did. The parent clarified the GP and should have been modded up.
Whoever modded the parent "overrated", waste some points on this comment so you don't have them do make any more bad moderations. Or better yet, JUST STOP MODERATING.
Dew knot truss yore spill checker.
Re:leave the EU (Score:4, Insightful)
Which is what we call corruption. Applying the rules differently to those not in the club so that they are relatively disadvantaged. Until they join the club anyway.
Re:Not all cookies are targeted! (FUD ALERT) (Score:4, Insightful)
Very few technology laws explicitly mention specific technologies - normally they reference what the technology is trying to achieve. Otherwise laws would be obsolete within a few months as workarounds are developed.