Canadian Internet Surveillance Dies a Quiet, Lonely Death

Dr Caleb writes "According to the Globe and Mail, 'The Internet surveillance legislation sponsored by Public Safety Minister Vic Toews has disappeared down a dark legislative hole. For all intents and purposes, the bill is dead. If the Harper government still wants to pass a law that would make it easier for police to track people who use the web to commit crimes, it will have to start from scratch.' The bill has been sent to a public safety committee for extensive revision, but it must be debated for five hours on the House floor first, and that won't happen before summer recess. This is a followup to the story we discussed in February titled 'Against Online Surveillance? You Must Be "For" Child Porn.'"

But

[future assassin]

the Cons are in full swing to get Bill C11 passed http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6488/125/ [michaelgeist.ca]

I'm am of the belief that only taking up arms is the way to go in the next 15 years to remove corruption and corporate influence and introduce liability to political positions and decisions.

Re:System is Working

[Mashiki]

I made a comment back in febuary that it would be dead and roasted, got modded a troll for it. Always fun to point out to /. that this is indeed how it works in Canada, despite how much the media froths at the mouth that the government doesn't "listen to the people" and all the rest.

People seem to forget that the media in canada is like the media in the US, hyperventingly anti-conservative to the extreme. If he said the sky was blue, they'd say it was purple covered in red splotches then trot out the experts to argue that they're factually accurate, while pointing out that it's only blue in Ottawa because they're in power right now. Ah politics like that are the norm.

Re:Quiet? Lonely?

[MightyMartian]

Orders in Council can only be made where legislation has given the Government the authority to do so. It cannot concoct new government powers out of thin air.

Re:harper didn't keep us from sinking

[MightyMartian]

And now they're running neck-in-neck with the NDP. The problem in the end isn't the Tories, it's that the bottom fell out of the Liberal party, and someone had to govern in the meantime. Now that it looks like the Bloc is about to be taken off life support and Quebec has decided to re-engage with Federalism, and the majority of center and left-of-center voters have decided to send the last remaining major Western liberal party into the dustbin and gone with a left-of-center party, we ought to see things change.

Yes, Harper's policies, or at least some of them, are pretty fucking stupid. But it's not like the Liberals before the didn't have stupid policies. You go back to Confederation, and it's littered with stupid policies, and some outright abusive ones. Canada has survived far worse governments than Harper's, but because so many people are either just as ideologically handicapped as Tory supporters are, or have so little knowledge of the country's political history, they make Harper into this almost comically Darth Vaderesque figure. It's moronic. He isn't that good and he isn't that bad, and he's now facing a country that's basically throwing the Liberals into a distant third place rump and saying "Those NDP guys look interesting."

And you know what, if the NDP gets in, they'll pass a bunch of stupid policies, and you'll have a bunch of right wing morons of about your equivalent mental capacity comparing Mulcair to Josef Stalin and claiming Canada is going to become a Communist state, blah blah blah,

Re:Quiet? Lonely?

[tixxit]

Recently discussed this with a cop. It isn't so easy. He said most warrants for wiretaps are 600-odd pages and take a god awful long time to get through. Part of the bill would let them tell the phone company to start collecting data on someone while they went through the process of getting warrant signed. Once the warrant was approved, then they'd get access to all the data and could make their case. One of the problems, even with pedos, is that they know the guy is a Bad Dude, they know he's committing crimes, but they can't get the evidence because they can't get the wiretap in time. I definitely don't agree with the bill, but it isn't so cut a dry as some people make it out to be.

Re:But

[Mashiki]

I'm guessing you weren't alive during the late 1970's and early 80's. They're still far, far, far above what we have now in terms of a recession in the last "75 years" oddly, I can still find a job easier walking out my front door today as I did 10 years ago.

Re:Quiet? Lonely?

[Anonymous Coward]

socialist NDP

You're a twat. Seriously, you don't know what the word means. You may want to lookup the NDP on Politcal Compass [politicalcompass.org]. Really, though, don't you want to say pinko commies, since that's more in line with your intellect.

They're barely on the left, and more properly described as centrist.

And PS - the left/right paradigm is weak. The country is being taken over my authoritarian fucktards, but you're too busy fretting about the commies. It's idiots like you that have brought the level of political discourse down to strawmen and windmill tilting. Wake up.

Idiot.