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Nokia Sues HTC, RIM and Viewsonic 146

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angry tapir writes "Nokia has filed claims in the U.S. and Germany saying that products from HTC, Research In Motion (RIM) and ViewSonic infringe a number of the company's patents. Nokia has filed actions against all three companies in Mannheim's and Munich's respective regional courts. Nokia has also filed complaints against HTC before the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC), the Federal District Court of Delaware and the regional court in Düsseldorf. RIM will also have to dispatch its lawyers to Düsseldorf for a Nokia lawsuit filed there, while ViewSonic's legal team have to defend the company against a suit in Delaware."
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Nokia Sues HTC, RIM and Viewsonic

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  • by bogaboga (793279) on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @10:14PM (#39875181)

    ...not only that, the business of companies taking each other to court over patents is becoming the norm and as such, increasingly stale (as news)...in my opinion.

    • by slack_justyb (862874) on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @10:29PM (#39875277)
      I guess its a good time to be a lawyer.
      • by micheas (231635)

        Strangely, or not so strangely, law firms have greatly reduced staffs in the last few years.

    • by Taco Cowboy (5327) on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @10:43PM (#39875339) Journal

      ... the business of companies taking each other to court over patents is becoming the norm ...

      As I've said in one of my previous comments --- this patent litigation thing is a boon to the legal community, and it has made a lot of lawyers very very rich.

      These very very wealthy lawyers will see to it that the broken patent system stays broken, and they will do everything to encourage corporations to sue each others to crisp over patents/copyrights --- and all the while they (the lawyers) are raking in truckloads and truckloads of moolah

      Maybe we can learn from an Ancient Chinese legend ---

      An egret tried to eat a big clam and that clam clammed up the beak of the egret in return.

      As both were fighting each others a fisherman bagged both the egret and the big clam as the result.

    • by goombah99 (560566)

      Nokia is an old time innnovator and a big player in the industry. No way can they be called a patent troll. Conversely HTC, viewsonic have a bussiness model of fast followers and copying, respectively. Viewsonic is not an innovator just a cheapenator. they rarely even make their own stuff. HTC simply adds fashion to existing tech. I can't really say much about rimm. They definitely innovated in the field but they are desperately trying to catch up hardware wise. So it depends what the patents are.

      I

      • by iserlohn (49556) on Thursday May 03, 2012 @01:51AM (#39876103) Homepage

        HTC adding fashion onto existing tech? Really? I'm no fan of Windows Mobile as well, but HTC created the first Windows powered smartphone right at the beginnings of the smartphone industry.

        • by gl4ss (559668)

          what htc worked previously was de facto ms bitch, they took reference implementations and sold them on somebody elses risk(a dozen or so brands of winmo's were just htc's). sure they were maybe involved in some research too whilst doing that and ms probably gave them money one way or another back in the day to keep them - and win mo - alive.

          I'm puzzled about the "adding fashion" part though ! like, w-t-f-what !?

      • Finally this is obviously not an attempt to black mail these companies.

        Yes it is.

        It's also the reason the MS shills are so desperately trying to ridicule anyone who suggests Apple, Microsoft Nokia and Oracle are in bed together.

        "Before he died, Steve Jobs said 'I'm going to destroy Android'."
        "The fact that both Microsoft and Apple desire to destroy the Android market; and the other facts listed above; lead one believe that Microsoft and Apple truly are partners and, as such, could be looked upon, for purposes of anti-trust challenges, as a single monopolistic entity,"

        http://voices.yahoo.com/is-microsoft-trying-kill-android-software-11018092.html [yahoo.com] for those of us who've been around for a while, this might seem familiar.

        In the mid '90s, Bill gates stated:

        “Netscape’s strategy is to make Windows and the Apple Macintosh OS all but irrelevant by building the browser into a full-featured OS with information browsing. Over time Netscape will add memory management, file systems, security, scheduling, graphics and everything else in Windows that applications require. Netscape hopes that its browser will become a de facto platform for software development, ultimately replacing Windows as the mainstream set of software standards.”

        His response (amongst others Microsoft was prosecuted for) was to collude with Apple to ensure Internet Explorer was the default browser on Macs.

        • >It's also the reason the MS shills are so desperately trying to ridicule anyone who suggests Apple, Microsoft Nokia and Oracle are in bed together.

          Yes but we have Google shills like you to defend against the MS shills though!

          >The fact that both Microsoft and Apple desire to destroy the Android market; and the other facts listed above; lead one believe that Microsoft and Apple truly are partners and, as such, could be looked upon, for purposes of anti-trust challenges, as a single monopolistic entity,

          • Yes but we have Google shills like you to defend against the MS shills though!

            Nice smear, but I'm more of a freetard than a shill.

            Nonsense, Microsoft and Apple together have nothing close to a monopoly in the mobile OS market.

            And they didn't have a monopoly on the web browser market either. That didn't stop them colluding to create the IE6 decade.

      • by Vintermann (400722) on Thursday May 03, 2012 @05:25AM (#39876777) Homepage

        Nokia is an old time innnovator and a big player in the industry. No way can they be called a patent troll.

        Once-innovative companies that have passed their peak always seem to go down in a blaze of shrill patent lawsuit "glory". They deserve to be called patent trolls when they switch business models like that.

      • Assuming you're a believer in capitalism and free markets, you should be thrilled to encourage and protect "cheapenators" the world over. God bless them. They're the reason the system works. The more the merrier!

        What we have these days, unfortunately, are a bunch of lazy communists who think that their business should get special protections instead of having to compete, which is just so hard for the poor widdle baby CEOs. Their mommy told them they were entitled to fat profit margins on their work ("innova

      • by locopuyo (1433631)
        How is ViewSonic just a cheapenator that doesn't make their own stuff? They are widely considered to have the highest image quality in their monitors by graphic professionals with their pro line of monitors. They also have high end gaming monitors and came out with the first 2 ms response time monitor as well as the first 1 ms response time monitor as well along with one of the first 120hz LCDs.
        They do also make cheap monitors but ViewSonic seems to be a leader and first to bring a lot of technology. No
    • by crutchy (1949900) on Thursday May 03, 2012 @03:26AM (#39876365)

      companies taking each other to court over patents is becoming the norm

      email and phone are so yesterday. all "now" tech companies will start communicating with each other via litigation lawyers.

      how times change

    • This is step one in starting a new business these days. Before you have an office, before you have a name, before you have a logo, before you have a business plan . . . you sue somebody.

      It's like boxing. You need to come out of the corner swinging, or you will get sucker punched while trying to tap gloves. You need an "Offensive Patent Strategy" these days to survive.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Something to supplement Nokia's coffers after Elop's non-starter with Windows Phone, eh?

  • by Grave (8234) <[moc.liamtoh] [ta] [88treblawa]> on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @10:17PM (#39875203)

    I can't keep track of all these lawsuits anymore. I just keep picturing an image of the globe with thousands of missile tracks as the world's tech companies try to obliterate each other with patents.

  • Confirmation (Score:2, Interesting)

    by busyqth (2566075)
    Not Apple? I see this as good evidence that Nokia is completely controlled by Microsoft.
    I don't know what has gone on behind the scenes to get Microsoft and Apple to luv each other, but it seems like there is no rational reason for Nokia to leave Apple out of the fun except that they have been commanded to do so by Microsoft.
    So Apple & Microsoft, what is your plan for the post-Android world you are trying to create?
    • by bmo (77928)

      >I see this as good evidence that Nokia is completely controlled by Microsoft.

      Ya think?

      This is like SCO vs. World+Dog complete with failing company that's drowning itself in a 5 gallon pail at the direction of (mis) management. Except this time around, the backing of Microsoft is more blatant. They are no longer under Sherman Antitrust supervision. They have carte blanche to do what they want until someone says stop.

      http://i.imgur.com/f2yqU.jpg [imgur.com]

      --
      BMO

      • Looking at your posts, I think you get checked for this disease.

        http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/07/25/1757253/linus-calls-microsoft-hatred-a-disease [slashdot.org]

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Are you trolling, or just stupid?

      Apple has paid Nokia a hefty sum in addition to ongoing royalties to settle the patent case out of court.

      • by busyqth (2566075)

        Are you trolling, or just stupid?

        Maybe both.

    • but it seems like there is no rational reason for Nokia to leave Apple out of the fun

      You typically sue people who most likely will loose or settle first, then go after big boys after a precedent has been set. You especially sue bigger losers than yourself if your company is going down the toilet because you bet the farm on WP7, and now that bet looks like it is coming to bite you in the ass like a tick at a blood bank.

      HTC is down from the last go round with Apple, good chance they'll settle. RIM, really is anyone not suing RIM? I'm completely blank on ViewSonic.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Nokia already sued Apple [engadget.com], dumbshit.

    • Re:Confirmation (Score:5, Insightful)

      by hairyfeet (841228) <bassbeast1968 AT gmail DOT com> on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @11:47PM (#39875619) Journal

      I think I have figured out why MSFT and Apple are suddenly friends and its a lot of little things coming together but above all its a common enemy...Google.

      Now that MSFT has bowed out of the media player market by killing Zune there is really only one place that MSFT and Apple really are in competition is the X86 market and looking at Apple under Cook with the way updates to the line have been getting anemic and they are running off pros by dumbing down products like FCP I honestly believe cook is gonna take Apple out of that market. Makes sense as Intel killed the Nvidia chipsets and its getting harder and harder to keep the line trendy with Intel whipping out new chips, its just not a big money maker compared to the i line of products. So I think they will keep a few bottom of the line units for another year or two and then bow out, declaring the iPad the new mac.

      Then you have to look at what Apple and MSFT have had as of late, with Apple taking the high margin sales and MSFT taking the low? I don't think apple has a problem with that, they have never wanted low margin sales. They know even with MSFT getting into tablets and smart phones what they will see, business oriented with major fuckups in UI design but that hardware is cheaper so the low rent market will go for it, again not a market Apple really cares about.

      But then here comes Google...ya know, even if I don't personally use or care for a product I WILL give credit where credit is due and Google threw a BIG monkey wrench right into the nice game Apple and MSFT were playing. You see Apple sells hardware, MSFT software, and Google's model is neither and it pisses with both companies niches. Google gives away Android and does all the work so MSFT can't sell cheap copies to OEMs like they usually do, and since Google is making its money on Google ads and services it doesn't care what kind of hardware you put it on so you are seeing both expensive and cheap android units, and of course those more high end units are cutting into Apple turf. If Apple plays the same game with Google they'll have to update their lines more often as all these new Android pads get faster and faster chips and bigger and bigger graphics, which with Tegra out there that is a worry, because Nvidia is cooking up some pretty powerful chips.

      So frankly I suspect we'll be seeing more and more of this as we go along. Apple doesn't care about MSFT and the low end market, MSFT doesn't really have any products being marketed to the same demographic Apple owns so no real reason to hate each other and BOTH companies would like to "fucking kill Google" with Jobs going so far as to say he'd spend his entire fortune to nuke Android.

      But if I were Google it wouldn't be the lawsuits that would be worrying me, it'd be the one place where MSFT and Apple can royally fuck Google, and that is content. One serious blind spot Google has always had has been content, after all they thought they could just snatch content like they snatch web pages in the search engine with GoogleTV and quickly got the banhammer on their device. This is one area where both Apple and MSFT have also been particularly strong, with MSFT making deals for content for Windows internet TV and X360 and Apple of course with iTunes.

      So while the lawsuits are more drawn out if I was Google I'd be busting my hump signing deals with content providers left and right, because who would want an Android device if it only has YouTube? The fact we haven't seen Google doing this is worrisome, and Google would do well to remember the rule about sleeping giants. If MSFT and Apple are playing nice that is a hell of a lot of capital between them for signing content and if everyone is distracted by the lawsuits that could give Apple and MSFT just the time they need to split ARM like they did x86.

      • by zmooc (33175)

        ... MSFT and Apple can royally fuck Google, and that is content.

        They question is: how are they going to get my attention for their content when I'm watching Youtube or stalking people on Facebook?

        • by hairyfeet (841228)

          Because sadly friend you are a geek and therefor NOT like normal people. Believe me working in a little PC shop 6 days a week I get to spend a lot of time around the normals and frankly they may as well be martians for all the geeks has in common with them. The normals want their mainstream TV and movies, sure they play their FB games or watch YouTube videos but usually the "oww my balls" kinda dumbshit. They even have this really irritating thing called "reality TV" that I swear is like crack to them but m

    • by drinkypoo (153816)

      If there were no Apple, Microsoft would have to create one. If they destroy it, same.

    • by Henriok (6762)
      You don't think that Nokia's recent win against Apple where they settled their disputes has anything ti do with it? It just might be that Nokia's satisfied with what they got from Apple's iPhone which is more than they get from their own smartphone business.
    • by toriver (11308)

      Not Apple?

      You mean the company that has settled ages ago and paid Nokia 600 million in license fees last quarter? That Apple?

  • by walterbyrd (182728) on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @10:18PM (#39875221)

    Microsoft cannot sue Android makers directly, because they all already paying Microsoft for the bogo patents. But since MS essentially owns Nokia, Microsoft gets to double dip.

    • You know, with all the money Apple and Microsoft are losing in these patent fights, you would think they would stop doing it. If I was a Microsoft or Nokia shareholder right now, I would be PISSED! This is a blatant and obvious waste of money, when both companies have better things to do with their revenues.
      • >You know, with all the money Apple and Microsoft are losing in these patent fights,

        Citation needed.

        According to most accounts, they're making a ton of money and shareholder value on the patents licensing.

    • by symbolset (646467) *
      Nokia also sold some patents to Sisvel to go patent trolling with [intomobile.com]. I thought I read they had several of these out there. So they can keep this up all day, suing the same people over and over. And Nokia isn't the only one. So the only way to win this is to just not ever pay the Dane.
  • Before you know it there wont be any cell phones in all of Europe. When Europeans have to switch to landlines you can bet something will give.

    That or the companies will form consortorums because it helps all interests. This is how the industry use to do things and even the mobfia has them. Al Carpone even said its not worth it to be dead if we all just want to make money. Its best to not go to war.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I can understand HTC and RIM... but all Viewsonic has is an Android tablet that does not have 3G.

    • In total, 45 patents are included in one or more of the actions, according to Nokia. They are related to a variety of software and hardware features, including power management, multitasking, navigation, data encryption and the retrieval of email attachments on mobile phones
    • by crutchy (1949900)
      i wonder if i'm the only one who thought of "rimjobs" when i saw a comment about apple followed by a comment about rim?

      if apple and rim got together, maybe they could market a new phone with such name. sex sells after all
  • by msauve (701917) on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @10:30PM (#39875279)
    if you can't compete, litigate!
    • by symbolset (646467) *
      They forgot to go after LG also, now that they're not selling Windows Phones.
    • While I get that people on here don't generally like these litigation stories, I'm genuinely surprised to see the level of some of the Nokia hatred on display here (I'm not referring ti the parent post in particular, just commenting on the thread as a whole). I dunno, maybe it's because Slashdot's a US site, and (at least in a broad sense), Nokia never really understood the US market, & the US market never really understood Nokia?

      The really sad thing here is that they could have indeed competed. Nokia h

  • by lanner (107308) on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @10:41PM (#39875331)

    Imitate
    Innovate
    Litigate
    Disintegrate

    • by lanner (107308)

      FYI I totally crapped this out in about fifteen seconds. Please feel free to continue with my poem or change it. It certainly seems applicable though.

    • by lanner (107308)

      I guess I forgot about Initiate. How could I have missed that?

  • by Anonymous Coward

    The company is substituting aggression under the law for
    competency in the marketplace.

    This serves no one but the lawyers involved.

    And it is some pathetic shit.

    Embrace death, you sorry Nokia fucktards. It will embrace you.

  • by gelfling (6534) on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @11:07PM (#39875459) Homepage Journal

    SUE EVERYONE!

  • by kawabago (551139) on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @11:14PM (#39875487)
    Can't compete? Litigate!
  • If you can't innovate, litigate.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @11:24PM (#39875533)

    This is the results of Apple's attempt to win in the courts rather than the marketplace.

    When Steve Jobs said he would "go nuclear" to stop other companies from making tablet computers, he failed to understand every other corporation out there is also armed.

    That's why sometimes it's so difficult for me to believe Steve Jobs had anything more than a hipster's level understanding of Buddhism. This stuff is beginner's level Karma knowledge- you reap what you sow.

    • by Amouth (879122)

      that or he knew he was going to die soon, and just felt like causing MAD so we could all see what would happen.. in the end it wouldn't hurt him any.

  • by bmo (77928) on Wednesday May 02, 2012 @11:27PM (#39875543)

    As of this moment, we are cruising at an altitude of $3.50 as you can see by the NYSE price.

    I have been instructed by the parent carrier to initiate a controlled flight into terrain so that it can pick up the pieces and glue them onto itself. You, the investors, are expendable.

    Please enjoy your brief flight on MicroNokia Airways.

    You are free to move about the cabin.

    --
    BMO

    • by 21mhz (443080) on Thursday May 03, 2012 @03:13AM (#39876327) Journal

      Hah, I think there's a better airplane analogy: the pilot is trying to control a stalled airplane, while ignorant onlookers are judging his skill by what altitude and the rate of descent the plane has at the moment.

      See, just before the wings stalled, the airplane was gaining altitude. People ignorant about flight dynamics may think this means everything was going OK, but the engine thrust was set too low for that angle of attack and the plane was dangerously losing speed. When the stall warning sounded in the cockpit, the captain woke up from his nap and took control from the dumbass co-pilot, but too late: the plane started to plunge uncontrollably. The captain promptly put the stick down (see, he's trying to kill everyone on board!) and increased engine thrust. In the recent minute, the plane has lost another 1000 feet of altitude and still descends; the recovery is uncertain. And it's all captain's fault, because the fall happened while he was in control!

      The thing about financial analysts is, they know jack shit about any specific market, especially so in technologically-intensive areas, so all they are left with to make their crystal ball projections are pure financial data. These tell nothing about where things are going, whether the company is gaining or losing mindshare among consumers and developers. In 1997, the financial press spelled doom for Apple and their stock was tumbling below $3.

  • ... those who can't, litigate.

  • The only 2 companies with the money and the level of disconnect to directly initiate fights in this war are more or less apple and Microsoft. In general other then those 2 companies (and a bit of sony, but that's small potatoes by comparison) the companies that were actually making phones before the smartphone patent war mess, in general wanted to avoid a patent war and actually try to win by making a better phone. Heck if I recall at one point it was more or less a cease fire before microsoft made 2 anounc
  • WTF. I never in a million years would have imagined the new patent gladiator field would be germany. Sad.

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