House Passes CISPA 616
wiedzmin writes "The House approved Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act with a 248 to 168 vote today. CISPA allows internet service providers to share Internet 'threat' information with government agencies, including DHS and NSA, without having to protect any personally identifying data of its customers, without a court order. It effectively immunizes ISPs from privacy lawsuits for disclosing customer information, grants them anti-trust protection on colluding on cybersecurity issues and allows them to bypass privacy laws when sharing data with each other."
Re:"Not voting" (Score:4, Interesting)
That's better than 248 cunts but not as good as 168 principled representatives. Just not good enough.
Re:The Founding Fathers ... (Score:5, Interesting)
God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure.
--Thomas Jefferson.
The Founding Fathers knew this would inevitably be a problem long before Orwell was born.
Lyle Myhur said it best (Score:5, Interesting)
"When they took the 4th Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs. When they took the 6th Amendment, I was quiet because I am innocent. When they took the 2nd Amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun. Now they have taken the 1st Amendment, and I can only be quiet."
-- Lyle Myhur
Re:"Not voting" (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Goodby USA (Score:2, Interesting)
The servers are the easy part. I have already implemented procedures to move myself offshore.
Re:No Surprise (Score:5, Interesting)
The reason's pretty obvious, and it's the same reason he missed a couple votes this year..... he's busy giving speeches for his campaign (~2000 people per day show up to see him). I think it's a wise move.
Igniting the fire of liberty in the 15-to-35 year olds, the next generation of politicians and voters, is more important than casting just 1 vote which would not have stopped CISPA from passing.
Re:"Not voting" (Score:5, Interesting)
(1) He already announced his retirement from Congress.
(2) According to NBC's Rachel Maddow and other sources, Paul has now won 4 states, and it appears he will win ~10 more over the next few weeks (the states that were won by Gingrich/Santorum are now "freed" to whoever has the most delegates; probably Paul). Plus I expect Maine and Nevada will go to Paul too, since he scored the majority of delegates.
We're going to have a brokered convention where Romney will not have the 1144 votes to win the nomination. It will be split.
(3) You don't quit a 26 mile marathon at mile 22. Paul's come all this way, and only has two more months to go. It would be silly for him to quit, especially since he's only ~450 delegates behind Romney, and that gap is closing (see point 2). Paul started the race; he might as well go all the way to the finish line, as he did in 2008.
Re:No they don't. (Score:5, Interesting)
>>>Some of us also feel murder is something that should be taken VERY seriously, and generally avoided at all costs
Most of these politicians are near death anyway. So they end-up in a coffin 20-30 years ahead of schedule... in the long term it matters not. 100 years from now, we probably won't even remember their names.
BUT you raise a good point about the after-revolution.
Probably the new Constitution would be written to give the government all kinds of new authority (as happened with the EU Constitution aka Lisbon Treaty). We're better-off trying to restore the existing document piece-by-piece by electing ourselves into Congress and then repealing these bad laws. As Congressman Paul says, "It took 80 years to reach this point, and may take just as long to undo the bad legislation."
Re:No they don't. (Score:5, Interesting)
You want to see some changes?
Reinstated Glass-Steagall
Formalize the separation between Church and State.
Add a new separation between Business and State
Provide free education through Masters Degree, and for every year after your AA, you have to work as a teacher for 1 year, all your living expenses will be covered and you'll receive a small stipend OR you will serve in the National Guard OR you will work to rebuild the nations infrastructure... pick
Less than 3% of the nations educational budget should go to administrators... figure out how to divvy that up guys. Education is not an industry, its a birthright
People will pass a basic test to vote. Those that don't vote will pay a small tax. Those that do vote will receive a small credit. People want to act like idiots, we'll put the dots close together for a couple generations until they get the hint.
We provide contraception, we teach reproductive health and we explain to young people actions have consequences, some that last a lifetime. We stop being squeamish about telling people the friggin truth and we get desperately honest with one another on a social scale.
We put checks and balances back in, and we pull the fascist imbeciles out.
We stop prosecuting whistle blowers and make them national heroes instead.
We subsidize elections and media donates precisely the same amount of air time to each candidate. Anyone can run for anything, and a non-partisan organization provides extensive information on each candidate for public consumption. This organization is composed of volunteers from diverse backgrounds and beliefs and changes governing members on a frequent and short term basis.
Freedom of the press and protection from ideological control by any single group, corporate interest, or ideological body will be strictly enforced by law.
Put a choke hold on the banks, muzzle them, screw the lid on so tight they pop, follow up by doing the same to the insurance companies.
Split health care into for profit and not for profit. Ensure that not for profit health care is excellent, and accessible to everyone. People who are injured in the commission of felonies and misdemeanor pay 10 times the going rate and if unable to pay must perform public service until the debt is paid.
Lemme see, did I miss anything? I'm sure I did. Well this is a good start. I figure this might make a dent in the national stupid that pervades our society today.
Re:First (Score:5, Interesting)
You might also want to check on why your rep voted against it. Mine voted against CISPA too.
Why?
Because it didn't go far enough. He essentially wanted it to include an Internet kill switch to stop cyber threats. He did at least mention privacy concerns but one thing is clear: We need an Internet kill switch! We need government regulation describing the exact security software you must be required to buy to place a computer online!
So check up on your reps. They may have voted "no," but you may not like the reason why.
Re:No they don't. (Score:4, Interesting)
Thomas Jefferson as part of the original bill of rights put Freedom from Monopoly as one of those rights because of the doings of a then infamous group called the East India Trading Company which resulted in our revolutionary war.
Unfortunately, the business lobby was as strong in his day and even though he attempted to get it put in the constitution something like 12 times during his time in the public sphere, it was shot down each time.