Anonymous Hacks Tunisian Islamist Sites 101
eldavojohn writes "The hacktivist group Anonymous has claimed another victim by taking down Islamist sites in Tunisia. Similar to an earlier attack on Turkish government sites, #optunisia has resulted in several government blogs and sites being replaced with 'Payback is a b****, isn't it?' The message lists censorship as the motivation behind this activity. The AFP is reporting that this is also in response to the reintroduction of Salafist laws and the caliphate. An additional Anonymous message read, 'We are not against religion, we are Muslims, but we are defending freedom in our country.' Censorship continues wholesale in Tunisia."
Safe target? (Score:4, Interesting)
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How do you know it's even the same person/people doing this hack vs. any other anonymous hack? If they are "avoiding the big dogs", who are "they"? The leaders of anonymous who may or may not exist? If someone writes graffiti on a Bank of America building signed "anonymous" are you going to say it looks like they decided to go after the banks? It sounds like you're trying to make sense of what could be basically random actions by diverse non-connected groups of individuals. Maybe some are 4-channers, m
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Anonymous isn't run by a handful of people who make decisions like that. Half the time Anonymous is fighting against Anonymous. How many times does this have to be explained?
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You would say that, Mr. Coward!
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I also thought the whole thing with "Targeting the Zetas" was probably just "for the lulz," in the first place. I mean, it's a pretty low-tech operation. I wasn't quite clear how Anonymous would have gotten their hands on identities of corrupt officials working with the zetas, proof of their corruption,
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There are more than enough bad guys out there that CAN'T reach you, I'd rather have them pestering "safe targets" for a while rather than them going after the bigger fish, and getting killed or deported.
You have seen what many Muslim people do when they are upset/mad/in a bad mood, right?
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You have seen what many Muslim people do when they are upset/mad/in a bad mood, right?
The Tunsinian fundamentalist Muslims? No... nope. Haven't the foggiest what they're like when they're mad, living as I do in the US.
You do bring up a good point: Anonymous members should avoid Tunsinia. Though, everyone else should too.
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You have seen what many people do when they are upset/mad/in a bad mood, right?
FTFY
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Re:First problem (Score:5, Insightful)
Freedom of religion is what leaves you free to have no religion.
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Actually, it's a lack of prohibition of having no religion that allows you to have no religion.
You are seldom, if ever, going to have that unless the state has some guarantee of religious freedom.
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Freedom of religion is what leaves you free to have no religion.
Freedom from religion would be better. That way, you could have your religion (in your basement, in the dark (as it should be - you alone comuning with your sky fairy)), and nobody would bother persecuting you for it. Everyone wins.
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That way, you could have your religion (in your basement, in the dark (as it should be - you alone comuning with your sky fairy)), and nobody would bother persecuting you for it. Everyone wins.
Oh really? But isn't communicating with sky fairies sign of madness and people who do that should get a mental treatment? Why not put a camera in every basement - that's the only way to find all the people who need to be cured, and to get rid of the terrible disease known as religion once and for all!
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Freedom of religion is what leaves you free to have no religion.
Freedom from religion would be better. That way, you could have your religion (in your basement, in the dark (as it should be - you alone comuning with your sky fairy)), and nobody would bother persecuting you for it. Everyone wins.
So you would support some crazy KKK person having freedom from dining with black people? No? You are free to practice your religious belief that you have no religion in your mother's basement if you wish but that freedom does not mean that you get to dictate whether other people are allowed to practice their faith in public. If you want to be "free" from interacting with religious people then stop trolling in stories like this one and stay in your basement dwelling. It is up to you to remove yourself from t
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So you would support some crazy KKK person having freedom from dining with black people?
I have no problem with that. If the KKK person sees "coloreds" in the restaurant, he doesn't have to eat there.
If you want to be "free" from interacting with religious people ...
I said no such thing. I have no problem with religious people.
Alternatively, you can show some modicum of "tolerance" and tolerate those who think differently than you do.
I think we've shown toleration for religion for far too long. The death toll long ago hit the level of genocide on all sides, and it doesn't appear to be slowing down at all. Read a newspaper.
When's Iran going to attack Israel, or vice versa? Or when's Kashmir going to blow up again? Or Chechins hijack and crash another Russian pla
Paybill will be a bitch (Score:1)
When the radical Muslims pay the hackers back by kicking their ass.
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The FBI has enough trouble finding random anons, I don't think they need to worry about any religious nutjobs that can only threaten to backtrace them and report them to the cyber police.
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The FBI has enough trouble finding random anons, I don't think they need to worry about any religious nutjobs that can only threaten to backtrace them and report them to the cyber police.
The FBI, despite the raving of the tinfoil hat crowd, has some manner of responsibility to NOT target and kill random US citizens. Religious nutjobs don't have such irritating restrictions.
Note I did not say what specific religion or belief system these nutjobs are.
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The religious nutjobs won't even bother with backtracing anything - they'll just round up and stone to death everyone who is remotely computer-literate.
Dog? (Score:1)
Why is bitch censored?
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Why is bitch censored?
Your mind has been hacked by McKay Hatch [nocussing.com].
Pretty random attacks these days (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Pretty random attacks these days (Score:5, Insightful)
Anonymous seems to just have its fingers in the wind these days, shifting its sites all over the placewith no real direction or purpose.
Who said they have any real direction or purpose? It's a big amorphous group of whoever wants to participate in whatever popular idea is floating around at the time, they don't have any long-term plan.
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No shit, that's because anonymous isn't one centralised group with a single purpose but a group of many with many purposes.
Not against religion? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Not against religion? (Score:4, Informative)
Way to over-simplify and misinterpret:
https://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/anonymous-hacks-vatican-website/10567 [zdnet.com]
They don't seem to like Scientology either.
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Scientology isn't a recognized religion in most places. It's a cult at best, and a criminal organization otherwise.
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Scientology isn't a recognized religion in most places. It's a cult at best, and a criminal organization otherwise.
I still haven't understood the reason for distinguishing between cult religions and so-called "non-cult religions". All of them seem disturbingly alike to me.
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To me, the difference between a religion and a cult is first the spelling. The second being acceptance. Once a certain number of people 'accept' a cult it changes to religion.
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There's also the issues of internal control and charity. Scientology is totalitarian. It never bothers with charity. Established religions do. So I'd call it a cult.
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A religion is a cult that's old enough that nobody can remember what blunders its founders made.
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There is a cause and there is a movement.
Well he asked the question, 'what cause?'
And what definition of a 'movement' do they fit?
To simply have a safe venue by which to vent anger and frustration without reprisal.
But there has been reprisal, in case you missed it there have been many arrests and even a case where one member turned into an FBI informer.
The members that make up "anonymous" are from all walks of life, country, religion, race, and culture. You name it.
Hang on, you were saying they were anonymous, now you profess to know they come from all walks of life, country, religion, race and culture. How can you possibly know that?
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Lulzsec stopped being Anonymous the second they started calling themselves something else.
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There are two points to consider with the whole Arab Spring Islamist thing:
1) The Islamist groups were often the only form of resistance against an unpopular dictator. People joining or supporting those groups weren't necessarily hardcore Islamists. Consider that the Islamist groups that fought against Gadaffi turned out to be our allies, and openly called for democratic elections. Also consider the Polish uprisings against Communism - the uprisings had many religious overtones (martyrdom, use of the Chri
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So, when Anonymous hacked Vatican's site, they were against religion, but now they say they are not?
Who are "they"? How do you know it's the same person/people? Do you know some of the members of anonymous personally? If so, please contact the FBI immediately for processing.
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You're struggling to understand what anonymous is.
So if you can't grasp the concept of what anonymous is, each time you read it in relation to a story like this, mentally replace it with "A group of hackers".
Things will start making sense then.
Anonymous isn't one person or group, it's many groups sharing the same name. Your argument doesn't make sense, it's like seeing a green car and saying "What the hell? I thought all cars were white, why is this one different?" - there are many different colours of car,
Retaliation against Anonymous? (Score:2)
This counter tactic won't work for the Islamist sites that need to be populist, but it will work for the ones who have enough men, guns and money to seize power and control through fear, intimidation or murder.
Basically, if you attack them, they can simply murder some innocent person related to you. Say, find someone who studies computers and whether you declare this 'computer' thing an evil or not, simply murder them and publicize that they died in response to the attack. They would just be interested in
When you finally understand where all religions... (Score:1)
....originated from, then you will also see the intentional distortions fabricated for personal gain at the expense of many others.
All religions are going to fall in exposure of their origins. Even the Atheist and Agnostic are in for a surprise.
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You DO know "agnostic" and "atheist" are orthogonal right? All religions, as well as atheism, are belief claims, while a claim of agnosticism simply means "I do not put the same kind of confidence in this belief as I would in something derived deductively from prior principles." For example, an agnostic atheist says "I have no particular God belief, but this does not mean there never is, was, or will be a God or Gods in any place, time, or meaning."
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Good one!
What is Anonymous acheiving? (Score:1)
In Retaliation, Burn more Cell Phones? (Score:2)
But for Anonymous (Score:1)
So the 'Arab Spring' is getting all theocratic. Lovely. Mufties and imams subjugating billions of women and $150/bbl gas.
Can we please have our imperialist puppet dictators back now? These people can't govern themselves properly. Thanks so much.
But for Anonymous we'd have had ovens full of infidels before the MSM had reason to mention any of this.
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I have family living in one of those countries (Morocco), and all of them saw it coming, and constantly said so, long before Ben Ali fled Tunisia. The problem with the "Arabellion" was that it came too early, in the midst of a huge wave of Islamism that has been sweeping the region since at least the 1990ies and that is still virulent and highly contagious today. Before this, there were already democratization tendencies in place and going along nicely, albei
Oh yay! (Score:2)
Because nothing says "Fight the power" like hacking a website in Outer Buttfuckistan.
Especially when the Outer Buttfuckistani government is going to hush the incident up locally.
And isn't likely to raid your house like they do when you script-kiddie domestically.
WOO!
BIG BRASS BALLS BABY!
Pardon my disgust.
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News posted by Christianists or Republics? (Score:2)
Islamist. It's not a real word, stop using it please.
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Islamist [thefreedictionary.com]
Islamism [wikipedia.org]
islamist [reference.com]
While it is highly charged, and there may be some disagreement about the precise definition of the term, it most certainly is a word. You're free to dislike its usage all you like, but that won't change the fact that it is a word.
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Santorum [spreadingsantorum.com] has a "definition" too...doesn't mean it's a valid one.
You can defend it's usage all you like, but that wont change the fact that Islamist is a pejorative invented by non-Muslims to disparage Muslims, same as "Democrat Party" is used by Republicans to disparage their political opponents. You can find lots of references [wikipedia.org] for that, too.
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First, it's not "it's usage", but "its usage".
Second, when you so authoritatively output garbage like that you look authoritatively silly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic [wikipedia.org]
http://www.britannica.com/bps/search?query=islamist [britannica.com]
You're welcome.
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Islamist. It's not a real word, stop using it please.
(0) kiak /home/keeling_ dict islamist
1 definition found
From WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006) [wn]:
Islamist
n 1: a scholar who [is] knowledgeable in Islamic studies
2: an orthodox Muslim
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You can also find definitions for "Santorum", when Googled. Doesn't mean that it's a valid term. "Islamist" is a pejorative used by non-Muslims to disparage Muslims, same as how "Democrat Party" is used by Republicans.
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"Islamist" is a pejorative used by non-Muslims to disparage Muslims,
You're working from a bad dictionary. Neither of the definitions I quoted are disparaging.
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""Islamist" is a pejorative used by non-Muslims to disparage Muslims..."
Citation?
How tough is this to do? (Score:1)
The guy they caught in NYC had a ninth-grade education, and he was LulzSec's chief-rooter-in-charge.
Since this site is for nerds, how about a nerdish description from someone of what exactly it means to "take down" a website in this way?
Politics and religion I'm pretty well up on, but I'd like to know more about the technology behind these well-publicized, probably over-publicized, attacks.
Again, not impressed (Score:2)
This is just a prank.
So they hacked the website of a bunch of illiterate sheep-herders. Big deal.
When they do something *really* meaningful, like bringing down a corrupt bank, or a mass weapon manufacturer, I will be impressed.
Caliphate? (Score:2)
Tunisia has a caliphate? Since when did they organize a massive worldwide shura and elect a new Amir-ul-Mumineen? I must have missed the invitation.
What an odd accusation for Anonymous to make. The Muslim world hasn't had a caliph since 1924.
Bringing down a web site due to censorship... (Score:2)
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Also pretty ironic in an article about censorship.