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New submitter Marillion writes "Photographer Mark Byron was so bothered by his pending divorce and child visitation issues that he blasted his soon-to-be ex-wife on his personal Facebook page. That touched off a battle that resulted in a Hamilton County judge ordering Byron jailed for his Facebook rant — and to post on his page an apology to his wife and all of his Facebook friends, something free speech experts found troubling."
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Man Ordered To Apologize To Wife On Facebook

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  • by elrous0 (869638) * on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @10:36AM (#39125063)

    It's about how men are shit on in pretty much any divorce case.

    Wife alleges you hit her? Off to jail, guilty until proven innocent buddy.

    Wife alleges you molested the kids? Say goodbye to your kids forever, pal. Maybe if you're lucky we'll let you see them for a few hours once a month with a supervisor present.

    Wife wants child support? We don't care that she's spending all the money on her new ex-con boyfriend's meth lab, you'll pay it or it's jail for you, sparky!

    Wife is a drug addict who neglects the kids? Tough luck pal, she's still getting full custody over you. That's what you get for showing up to court with a penis.

    Wife won't let YOU have the kids during your court-appointed custody days? File this paperwork. We'll look into it in about a year, if you're lucky.

    You won't let HER have the kids during her court-appointed custody days? Freeze, motherfucker! Get you're hands on your head NOW! ON THE GROUND, ASSHOLE! DON'T MAKE ME SHOOT YOU!

    Welcome to the world of divorce court, Mark.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Shoulda just killed her and the kids and been done with it.

    • by Toe, The (545098) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @10:44AM (#39125181)

      Well, it's also about free speech.

      Someone being required by law to post an apology is rather frightening.

      You can't even force a kid to say a prayer, but you can force a guy to pretend he is apologetic?

      • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @10:53AM (#39125339)

        A forced apology is not an apology.

      • by liquiddark (719647) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @10:56AM (#39125389)
        There's no "even" to forcing a kid to say a prayer. Using a diminishing modifier is wholly inappropriate. I'm a lot more comfortable forcing someone to apologize than forcing them to recite religious text of any sort.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by BoberFett (127537)

          Courts all over the US routinely sentence people convicted of alcohol related offenses to Alcoholics Anonymous, which at its core is a religious organization.

      • Why is everything always different on the internet? If you rant somewhere else in public, do you then get dragged into *having* to apologize?

        This is making me want to change my name to one of those Glyphs so that it screws with the data tracking software going everywhere.

    • by Xacid (560407) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @10:45AM (#39125203) Journal

      No mod points but I'll applaud you. I suspect this whole story will be riddled with various anecdotes of how the man shafted a man over the same issues.

      My most immediate frustration with the system is the insane imbalance of child support and how it's geared so the father pays 100% of what they say is required to support a kid. Even if prior to the divorce the wife worked and paid half into such expenses. It's completely unrealistic.

      However, this is from my experience as a third party witness. Once of the premarital discussions I had w/ my wife was to agree that we'd settle shit like adults if things went sour. Life's too short to be worrying about making the other miserable. There's no need to drag kids through that crap either. The more disagreements you can resolve outside of the court amicably the better, IMO. Now we'll see if things actually pan out that way if I ever have the cross that bridge...

      As my dad said in regards to getting married "Boy, choose wisely."

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Now we'll see if things actually pan out that way if I ever have the cross that bridge.

        Good luck with that. See how long that rational, amicable divorce crap holds up when she turns into a vindictive psycho (even if *she* was the one who cheated or wanted the divorce in the first place).

        My cousin had a nice, rational wife. She had his dog put to sleep during their divorce. True story.

        • by gnick (1211984) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @11:04AM (#39125527) Homepage

          Good luck with that. See how long that rational, amicable divorce crap holds up when she turns into a vindictive psycho (even if *she* was the one who cheated or wanted the divorce in the first place).

          My cousin had a nice, rational wife. She had his dog put to sleep during their divorce. True story.

          Do I know you? My ex is the only one that I'd heard of that literally had my dog put to sleep during the divorce. I was out of town on business. And, when I came back, she decided she wanted full custody and said that if I tried to pick up the kids from school on one of my days "on", she'd call the cops and have them go to the school. Completely groundless and she knew that, but it means that the kids and teachers see the person she's been talking shit about confronted by the cops and asked to leave...

          I've got them 50/50 now, but it took months and better than $10k in lawyer's fees even though there were no mitigating issues and the law is dead clear (at least in this state).

          • by Reverand Dave (1959652) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @11:37AM (#39126079)
            I'm 17k into lawyers at this point due to a psychotic ex. I've had to fight tooth and nail just to have 50/50. My kids counselor even thinks that mom is a sociopath but there is fuck all I can do about it. I just hope that one day the kids realize what a crazy bitch she is, but they may never and I just have to be the best dad I can be in the interim even if she is constantly trying to convince them I'm and abusive lunatic. The best revenge is living well.
            • Yes, be nice and always speak well of their mother. Kids see everything! You cannot fool them. If you play nice and are a good dad there is nothing in the world she can do to you. the kids might buy into the crap when they are really young, but it will not pan out for her when they get older.

        • by icebraining (1313345) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @11:26AM (#39125877) Homepage

          On the other hand, my parents handled it without requiring courts or lawyers and have remained friends.

          Anecdotes are just that.

          • by misexistentialist (1537887) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @01:25PM (#39127681)
            That's like saying that someone planning to stick his dick in a light-socket should give equal weight to your enjoyable experience (with a socket that happened to be disconnected) even though everyone else who did it was badly injured or killed.
      • by Bill_the_Engineer (772575) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @10:55AM (#39125375)

        However, this is from my experience as a third party witness. Once of the premarital discussions I had w/ my wife was to agree that we'd settle shit like adults if things went sour. Life's too short to be worrying about making the other miserable. There's no need to drag kids through that crap either. The more disagreements you can resolve outside of the court amicably the better, IMO. Now we'll see if things actually pan out that way if I ever have the cross that bridge...

        Speaking as a third party witness to several divorces. You underestimated the influence of your wife's potential attorney. He will strongly encourage your wife to ask for what's more than "rightfully" hers in order to have an advantage during negotiations. Remember the attorney is looking out for himself while he represents your wife. Being fair is not his objective. Getting the most for his client so that he himself will make more is his primary concern. Also the more contentious the divorce the more legal fees he is allowed to charge.

        I have seen amicable divorces but it's a rare thing.

        • No doubt all of the lawyers who wanted only to make big dollars went into divorce law rather than, say, corporate.
        • by Xacid (560407)

          DAMNED truth there.

        • by hiryuu (125210) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @11:44AM (#39126189)

          I have seen amicable divorces but it's a rare thing.

          I'll agree it's rare, and will venture out on the embarrassment limb by saying I've been through two divorces. My first wife and I, after the emotional turbulence had somewhat subsided, sat down and agreed on how to part. I hired the only attorney, who submitted our drafted agreement to the court. What few things came up before or after the divorce was final that required further discussion, we handled ourselves, and managed to do it without being psychotic toward each other.

          My second wife, on the other hand, decided that what was hers was hers, what was mine was hers, and that she was going to make it as ugly and vindictive as possible to either browbeat me into staying or to take everything possible from me. Our divorce lasted longer than the pre-filing marriage - and this without kids or any significant property at stake.

          • by berzerke (319205) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @01:20PM (#39127597) Homepage

            ...Our divorce lasted longer than the pre-filing marriage - and this without kids or any significant property at stake...

            If it helps any, I've been through that first hand too. You're not alone. In my case, the judge twisted the knife even more. My last grandparent died, one I was close to, right before my court date. Never mind the court had already reset the date 3 times (ex had nothing to do with it). I asked for a reset so I could attend the out of state funeral (Ohio, I'm in TX, so it's not a short trip). Judge refused. Then, very late in the day before the funeral, the judge changes the date anyway. Too late for me to make it to the funeral (which was early in the morning). I hate the judge for that more than all the other ways she screwed me over.

        • by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve (949321) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @01:21PM (#39127613)

          I have seen amicable divorces but it's a rare thing.

          My best friend (we went to college together) is an attorney. Back when he was first starting up his own practice he took a few (less than 5 I think) divorce cases just to make some money. The last one he did really shook him up. It's a long story, but to simplify it, his client (a woman) was devastated by the divorce and refused to listen to his advice to protect herself from the actions of her estranged husband and his attorney. He was really close to dropping her as a client when her estranged husband killed himself (he had his own issues) and thus ended the case. He told me "NOBODY wins in a divorce. NOBODY." and he has never taken another one. He simply refuses and refers them to other attorneys. He told me that he doesn't care how much money he is offered, he no longer has the desire to participate in divorces.

      • by Tharsman (1364603) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @11:31AM (#39125969)

        No mod points but I'll applaud you. I suspect this whole story will be riddled with various anecdotes of how the man shafted a man over the same issues.

        My most immediate frustration with the system is the insane imbalance of child support and how it's geared so the father pays 100% of what they say is required to support a kid. Even if prior to the divorce the wife worked and paid half into such expenses. It's completely unrealistic.

        To be fair, ever state handles things extremely differently. From recent experience of a friend, I have learned that Tennessee has fixed tables for child support and they are entirely based off W2 and income. If the father has no income job, he is not forced to pay. Actually, without a job but with shared custody every other weekend, the woman may be forced to pay him based off how much time a year he has the kids and how much she earns. It's insanely unlikely a man will get main custody there, though.

        I hear in Florida... or California... can’t remember and may not be either... but at least one state will take infidelity insanely seriously. If a mother is found guilty of infidelity, she will lose complete custody and may get weekends IF the father is generous.

        However, this is from my experience as a third party witness. Once of the premarital discussions I had w/ my wife was to agree that we'd settle shit like adults if things went sour. Life's too short to be worrying about making the other miserable. There's no need to drag kids through that crap either. The more disagreements you can resolve outside of the court amicably the better, IMO. Now we'll see if things actually pan out that way if I ever have the cross that bridge...

        As my dad said in regards to getting married "Boy, choose wisely."

        If it's not written in paper, good luck with that. The person I noted above had similar oral agreement. She took the guy to court every other month (she also happened to steal "from him" during the marriage over the years until she collected enough in a secret bank account to put the down payment on her new house immediately after the divorce started (she did not even wait until it was finalized, she knew the guy didn’t had the money to fight possession of that house in court.)

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @10:45AM (#39125205)

      At least someone is trying [wikipedia.org] to change things.

    • by BlastfireRS (2205212) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @10:45AM (#39125211)
      I can't disagree with the fact that men usually get the short end of the stick regarding divorce and child-related proceedings. Still, the issue here IS about free speech; how can a judge reasonably order someone to issue an apology online like this, while the man was (presumably) writing within Facebook's Terms of Service and directing his thoughts to his friends and family? Facebook pages may be public, but so what; it's still a medium for personal thought, much like a blog. This is actually quite disturbing, and something we need to be proactive against whenever possible.
    • by gatkinso (15975)

      True, I have seem much of this.

      What you omit is the man's behavior that landed them in divorce court.

      • I would say it varies, I think the bigger issue is in too many divorce courts who is at fault in the marriage, who actually took the time to take care of the kids etc... are traits that are barely looked at, and often completely ignored in many cases. No it isn't all cases, but I certainly have seen cases of women completely at fault, neglecting or putting children in harmful situations, and getting full custody and favor over the husband.
      • What about the huge number of cases where nobody cheated, the couple just no longer loved each other or the huge number of cases where the woman cheated?

        From the cases I've personally known, it's just as often the woman's behavior or neither party's explicit behavior that leads to it.

    • by kelemvor4 (1980226) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @11:10AM (#39125625)

      It's about how men are shit on in pretty much any divorce case.

      Wife alleges you hit her? Off to jail, guilty until proven innocent buddy.

      Wife alleges you molested the kids? Say goodbye to your kids forever, pal. Maybe if you're lucky we'll let you see them for a few hours once a month with a supervisor present.

      Wife wants child support? We don't care that she's spending all the money on her new ex-con boyfriend's meth lab, you'll pay it or it's jail for you, sparky!

      Wife is a drug addict who neglects the kids? Tough luck pal, she's still getting full custody over you. That's what you get for showing up to court with a penis.

      Wife won't let YOU have the kids during your court-appointed custody days? File this paperwork. We'll look into it in about a year, if you're lucky.

      You won't let HER have the kids during her court-appointed custody days? Freeze, motherfucker! Get you're hands on your head NOW! ON THE GROUND, ASSHOLE! DON'T MAKE ME SHOOT YOU!

      Welcome to the world of divorce court, Mark.

      I bet those that have never been divorced think you're exaggerating. When I got divorced, the first time I saw my lawyer he pretty much laid it out exactly as you did. He did mention there were some fairly reasonable reasons for most of that stuff.. but I have forgotten what they were.

    • by dkleinsc (563838) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @11:27AM (#39125901) Homepage

      I should point out that this is definitely changing. For instance, my mother worked family law for about a decade in New Hampshire. The judges there seemed to have a basic rule of 50-50 division of the assets, joint custody of the kids, no child support or alimony. If one parent wanted to avoid custody (more common than you might think), then they'd have to pay child support.

      For instance, if she claimed abuse, they'd want to talk to a coworker or somebody else who saw her regularly to see if there was a pattern of unexplained injuries. If she claimed that he was molesting the kids, they'd have the kids talk to a shrink to see if she was right. If there was a question of drug addiction or alcoholism, they'd check on that. The kids had representation in court with the power to reject custody arrangements that put the kids in a bad situation, and older kids were asked what they wanted with an expectation that this request would be followed if it was reasonable.

      In other words, it was far more sane and equitable than you're making it out to be. Now, that was New Hampshire, I wouldn't be surprised if things were different in Mississippi, but don't hate on the people that are actually trying to do things the right way.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @12:36PM (#39126951)

      This is a more detailed view of divorce courts from a man who committed suicide outside of one:-

      Last Statement by Tom Ball

      A man walks up to the main door of the Keene N.H. County Courthouse, douses himself with gasoline and lights a match. And everyone wants to know why.

      Apparently the old general was right. Death is not the worst of evil.

      I am due in court the end of the month. The ex-wife lawyer wants me jailed for back child support. The amount ranges from $2,200. to $3,000. depending on who you ask. Not big money after being separated over ten years and unemployed for the last two. But I do owe it. If I show up for court without the money and the lawyer say jail, then the judge will have the bailiff take me into custody. There really are no surprises on how the system works once you know how it actually works. And it does not work anything like they taught you in high school history or civics class.

      I could have made a phone call or two and borrowed the money. But I am done being bullied for being a man. I cannot believe these people in Washington are so stupid to think they can govern Americans with an iron fist. Twenty-five years ago, the federal government declared war on men. It is time now to see how committed they are to their cause. It is time, boys, to give them a taste of war.

      There are two kinds of bureaucrats you need to know; the ones that say and the ones that do. The bridge between them is something I call The Second Set of Books. I have some figures of the success of their labors. You and I are in these numbers, as well as our spouses and children. But first let me tell you how I ended up in this rabbit hole.

      My story starts with the infamous slapping incident of April 2001. While putting my four year old daughter to bed, she began licking my hand. After giving her three verbal warnings I slapped her. She got a cut lip. My wife asked me to leave to calm things down.

      When I returned hours later, my wife said the police were by and said I could not stay there that night. The next day the police came by my work and arrested me, booked me, and then returned me to work. Later on Peter, the parts manager, asked me if I and the old lady would be able to work this out. I told him no. I could not figure out why she had called the police. And bail condition prevented me from asking her. So I no longer trusted her judgment.

      After six months of me not lifting a finger to save this marriage, she filed for divorce. Almost two years after the incident, I was talking with her on the phone. She told me that night she had called a mental health provider we had for one of the kids. Wendy, the counselor told my then wife that if she did not call the police on me, then she too would be arrested.

      Suddenly, everything made sense. She is the type that believes that people in authority actually know what they are talking about. If both she and I were arrested, what would happen to our three children, ages 7,4 and 1? They would end up in State custody. So my wife called the police on her husband to protect the children. And who was she protecting the kids from? Not her husband, the father of these children. She was protecting them from the State of New Hampshire.

      This country is run by idiots.

      The police sergeant Freyer screwed this up from the get go. When I got the Court Complaint form the box was checked that said Domestic Violence Related. I could not believe that slapping your child was domestic violence. So I looked up the law. Minor custodial children are exempted. Apparently, 93% of American parents still spank, slap or pinch their children. To this day I still wonder if Freyer would have made this arrest if it had been the mother that had slapped the child.

      Labeling someone's action as domestic violence in American in the 21st century is akin to labeling someone a Jew in Germany in the 1930's. The entire legal weight of the state is coming down on him. But I consider myself lucky. My family was destroyed. But that poor bastard in Germany

    • by mcgrew (92797) * on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @02:10PM (#39128309) Homepage Journal

      So true. I wrote this [kuro5hin.org] on Mon Dec 15, 2003:

      Monday reared its dreary head this morning in anticipation of the pending divorce. I went to the courtroom, put my stuff in the tray, shoved my coat into the X-Ray box, and walked through the metal detector as half a dozen or more armed people stood around directing more normal, unarmed people.

      I found my way to the same floor I had been on during the previous hearing, and found when asking that I was on the wrong floor.

      I got to the seventh floor and found the courtroom, and sat in front of a very unattractive woman who smiled at me broadly, as to say "fuck me now!"

      I shuddered, and smiled weakly back and sat down.

      The hearing was at nine, and by ten after I didn't see my lawyer or the judge.

      Finally a bailiff said "all rise" and the judge said "sit down". The judge then spoke to lawyers and the court reporter and somebody said something about some guy in jail.

      I asked the bailiff if I was in the right courtroom. He checked with the court reporter, and I was indeed in the right place. No lawyer.

      They brought a long haired, bearded prisoner wearing blue jeans and a flannel shirt from a side door. The guy had spent the last three weeks in jail over a typo!

      This fellow was adamant that his child support payments were taken out of his paycheck just like the court order said.

      After the court reporter and a District Attorney and some other guys in suits who I couldn't figure out talked about and mulled over a piece of paper on the judge's bench, the judge finally said "but look here, this Court Order is obviously in error."

      It seems from what I could gather, not being a lawyer and all, that they were only taking half the amount from his paycheck, but the payroll slip reflected what the judge had said.

      "Calm down," the judge said, "you're getting out. But if you're not here on January 15th we'll put out another bench warrant on you."

      They took him out a door on the other side.

      "Is there anybody here for... McGrew?"

      I stood up and walked forward. Its lawyer wasn't here, either!

      "Yes sir, uh, your oner. I, uh, my lawyer's not here, I think she's..."

      "Ok, ok," says the judge. Who's next?

      I sat back down, and some black fellow got divorced. His ex wasn't there, nor did he have a lawyer. It took five minutes.

      I should have done that! Although you have to be separated for over two years before you can get divorced without your wife's permission.

      My lawyer finally came in, along with Satan's lawyer. The black guy was free from slavery, and I was next!

      The judge made me raise my hand and swear, although no bible was evident to swear on.

      The service, marriage, divorce... I hate raising my right hand!

      My lawyer asked my name, age, where I was married (the Old Cahokia Courthouse, oldest court house in or west of the Mississippi Valley) and was I sure that counseling would not make me want to change my mind.

      "We tried counseling. That's when I found out about her adultery, which is in fact what our 'irreconsilable differences' are."

      "Oh," the judge says.

      "I have no further questions, your honor."

      "No Questions," Lucifer's shyster said at the judge's nod.

      And it was over. There is to be one more hearing before the first of the year, and I'll be completely single, after over a year after she left. And then speaking with my lawyer afterward- Evil X gets part of my pension! Yep, that's law. And my daughter Patty gets no child support, since Leila's living with her mother and still going to high school, even though she's 18.

      The bank will be taking my house at a completely unrelated hearing tomorrow morning. They already repossessed my van (which had a broken transmission anyway).

      But... freedom! Liberty! At the cost of most of everything I own, at the cost of personal bankruptcy, at the cost of about fourteen hundred bucks in legal fees IF I don't fight for custody...

      I took an extra happy pill when I got back to work. It didn't work too well.

    • by fanatic (86657)
      While your at it, check out the "red pills" (with respect to women) at Men Going Their Own Way Forum [mgtowforums.com]
  • by Dishwasha (125561) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @10:42AM (#39125147)

    Don't they know men give up the first amendment right to free speech the second they get married, if not months or years ahead of time. Particularly when the mother-in-law is in town.

    • by PPH (736903)
      And they give up the fourth and sixth amendment rights. And the third amendment rights when her mother comes to town.
  • Forced public apologies are not standard punishment for contempt of court, even assuming you agree that he should have been convicted of it. Also: what about spamming his own page with an anti-apology following the required post?

    IANAL
  • Crazy (Score:2, Troll)

    by gubers33 (1302099)
    I didn't know you can't bitch about someone on your personal page/blog... I wonder what the sex of the judge is.
    • by digitig (1056110)
      Unless the bitching is contempt of court or some such. Unfortunately the RA appears to be slashdotted at the moment so I can't tell what the actual issue is.
  • by gatkinso (15975) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @10:45AM (#39125215)

    All I seem to read about is how governments/stalkers/employers/ex spouses/what-have-you use your profile against you.

    • by dreemernj (859414) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @11:03AM (#39125501) Homepage Journal
      It is beneficial the same way The Matrix was beneficial to the machines. You plug into it. You accept the programming because you do have a choice. But, since so many of your friends and family are on it and they are planning their events and spreading information through it, you might only be aware of the choice at a subconscious level since, in the right situation, choosing to disconnect can feel like giving up the world you know and the people you've met in it.

      Once you are plugged into it, Facebook begins harvesting demographics and interaction data the way the Machines harvested BTUs and processing power.

      And, much like Agent Smith assimilated the virus-like behavior that he had once disdained in humanity, Facebook has assimilated human behavior into its process for expansion, ensuring an ever growing net of data capture.
    • by vidnet (580068)

      You could say the same thing about email.

      Facebook stopped being new and exciting years ago. Its usefulness is now taken for granted. You no longer see stories about how Facebook lets you invite your friends from pottery class to your party, just like how you no longer see stories about how you can use email to easily send small files to people.

      You don't even have to log in to use it, just read messages and accept invites by email.

  • by retech (1228598) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @10:51AM (#39125303)
    I was ordered to remove my outgoing message on my answering machine or risk "threatening civil negotiations... and be seen as adversarial...". I explained that it was in fact my phone line, my answering machine and people were calling me. If the ex didn't want to hear it, she in fact did not need to call. But, none-the-less, I had to take it down or all negotiations were off and she would be awarded everything by default.

    The machine said that I was in a fugue since my ex had slept around with a number of people and was in fact a whore. Personally, I thought this was just stating fact.
    • by gatkinso (15975)

      Well, she may have been a nymphomaniac, not a whore.

      • Same thing. And no, I don't care about the semantics.

        Having sex with someone at an impersonal level = Being a whore.

    • Re:Got it beat... (Score:4, Insightful)

      by MacGyver2210 (1053110) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @11:00AM (#39125453)

      If you have evidence that she slept with someone for money, present it in court, dude. Otherwise you can't call her a whore without risking defamation etc.

      You have to call her a slut instead. Sluts just don't charge for it.

      • by retech (1228598)
        It's over and done with. But she was given a lot of perks for the fucking around. And yes I did catch her. So no defamation and nothing wrong with calling a whore a whore. IMHO. The courts frown upon this type of thing since they feel it's negative and adversarial. I do not think it would be seen the same way if the roles were reversed.
  • The page is gone. /.'d?

  • If she did not have access to his profile (being blocked) and he rants about her, isn't this the exact same as getting drunk down at the pub with some mates and doing the whole "I never liked her anyway, she was a bitch" rant? This order seems to say that you aren't allowed to rant or complain about anyone; under penalty of the law.
  • You're right. I'm wrong. What can I do to make it better?

    Apply to all situations, regardless of validity. Present present every 28 days, you'll learn the timing soon enough. Enjoy.

    • No, that is the formula for your wife constantly seeing you as being wrong; thus eventually developing a low or condescending feeling towards you.

      If you want a happy marriage both partners need to admit when they're wrong- but also stick up for themselves when they're right. If you let your partner walk-over you- she won't respect you, and you won't be as happy as you could be.

      All it takes is to be fair and honest with each other. Yes honey, your butt does look fat in those jeans- but I love you anyway.

  • TFA appears to have been removed, all I can find are /. copiers, except for this on the TFA site. [cincinnati.com] It is a scan of the protective order and includes domestic abuse allegations and some of the text from the facebook wall posts.
    • by wbr1 (2538558) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @11:13AM (#39125685)
      I posted the above not having read the entire order, just scanning it, but it appears that he was under an order not to cause mental anguish, harass or annoy his wife, and the wall posts were found to violate that specific order. Especially as some of his facebook friends were adding fuel to the fire. I don't agree but that is spelled out in the order.
  • by Tyr07 (2300912) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @11:12AM (#39125649)

    Anyone notice anything related to family often has female lawyers, female judges, female social workers etc?

    Talk about gender discrimination. It's not okay for there to be plenty of men in a place where a lot of control is, but it's fine if it's all women? I think not. It's proven time and time again that both sides equally discriminate and it needs to stop.

  • Insincere (Score:3, Insightful)

    by freaktheclown (826263) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @11:14AM (#39125701)
    Just make it as insincere as possible and write it in legalese ("Pursuant to court order 54522451A-L, requiring me to offer written apology...").

    No one can force you to BE sorry, even if they force you to apologize.
  • by TheNinjaroach (878876) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @11:15AM (#39125721)
    Saw reference to Hamilton County, expected to read story about a clown operating as head of the court room.
  • by GodfatherofSoul (174979) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @11:56AM (#39126401)

    We have a system that intrinsically thinks of women as sub-adults who can't possibly be responsible for their own actions. If a women gets knocked up out of wedlock, then she must've been seduced by some filthy man. So, any random guy getting any random woman pregnant is responsible for paying X% of his salary to her for 18 years. I have a friend-of-a-friend who hooked up with some random guy in a one-nighter and got pregnant. She was ~30, so should have been smarter about the situation. All she knew was his name and that he was from NY, so she got her lawyer's advice to start cold-calling and sending out letters to every same-named man they found (about 10) trying to get child support. If she was ever able to find the guy, I have no doubt he'd have had to pay her.

    • So... (Score:4, Insightful)

      by SmallFurryCreature (593017) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @12:10PM (#39126587) Journal

      You want men to treated as kids instead? Why exactly in your example is the man NOT responsible?

      Double standards I guess in favor of your own gender.

      • Re:So... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Lashat (1041424) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @12:25PM (#39126783)

        Agreed.

        Wear a bag on your mule when you are hammering strange vag.

        I voluntarily apologize for the obviously chauvinist choice of words while making my point. I could have made the same point to more or less effect by writing. "Apply a prophylactic to your gentails prior to consenusal intercourse with partners unkown sexual history and/or psychological profile. "

  • by residieu (577863) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @12:00PM (#39126437)

    Ah yes, few things are more sincere than a forced apology, doubly so when it is a court that has mandated the apology. That's crazy, these people aren't children.

    The story is missing (slashdotted?), so I can't read exactly what he said, but I can't imagine he could say anything jailworthy. What probably got him jailed was something he said to the judge, they've got a lot of leeway about when to apply Contempt of Court.

  • by Sir_Eptishous (873977) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @12:04PM (#39126503) Homepage
    As my dad pointed out when he heard I was getting divorced, "50% of all marriages end in divorce", it makes me really wonder what the future of marriage is. For thousands of years marriage was an involuntary act for the majority of human society. Marriage and procreation were keys to successful survival for a human population, the majority of which was based in an agrarian society. Not so anymore. Marriage is a BIG gamble in so many ways, and when that gamble doesn't pay off, you're left with many "problems" to resolve, etc; that aren't easy to work out and affect you for the rest of your life. I have read about the benefits of marriage, whether they are financial, social, healthwise, etc;, But I really have to wonder, with the way the "First World" is going, technologically, socially, etc; how marriage will fare in the coming decades and centuries.
  • by jklovanc (1603149) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @01:06PM (#39127411)

    This sounds very familliar to another case a few months back. The thing to remember is that the guy has a restraining order in effect that he is restrained from doing anything to cause his wife “to suffer physical and/or mental abuse, harassment, annoyance, or bodily injury.” His wife does not have to directly read the posts on the site to be harrassed or annoyed. They probably have mutual friend who could forward the posts; indirect harassment and or annoyance.

    As for requiring to post an apology, there are many cases where people and companies have been ordered to publically apologize for their conduct. Such apologies need to be done in the same venue as the damage. In this case the issue was caused on Facebook and needs to be addresses on Facebook.

    "Freedom of speech" has never been completely free. There have always been limits including, as in this case, court orders. The main thing to remember is that when under a restraing order follow it and shut up.

  • This. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by ZorinLynx (31751) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @01:26PM (#39127701) Homepage

    I often lament the fact that I'm single.

    This, along with the stories of all the bullshit my friends have to deal with in their relationships, makes me wonder why I lament it at all.

    I should be happy I'm single and can direct my own life.

    *brofist to all the other single Slashdotters*

    • No brofist here.

      Marrying the right girl makes it all worth it. I've seen one or two ugly marriages; it isn't pretty, and neither is the train wreck at the end.

      But looking at my grandparents (both sides) and my own mother and father, finding the right girl really does make it worth it.

      Many people just don't invest the time into finding the right person, or into making it work. Is it possible that the nice girl you met in the library and have known for four years, been together for another three, and starte

  • My Ex wife's trick.. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Newer Guy (520108) on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @02:18PM (#39128431)
    I moved to California after my wife lied to the police and got me arrested for Domestic Violence. The charges were dismissed, but my arrest record still exists. After the Family and Probate Court ordered visitation, and I would fly back to Massachusetts to visit with my 3 kids, she would go to court A in the county, tell them she was 'afraid of me' and get an emergency Restraining Order, making it impossible for the visit to happen. The Family Court would get this dismissed, but not until AFTER I had gone back to California. Then the pattern would repeat, this time she'd go to court B, etc, etc., etc. This continued for over 3 years until she literally had RUN OUT OF COURTS! She even had the balls to have me served with the Restraining Order in the hallway of the Family Court, but had the server wait until AFTER our Judge had gone home for the weekend so it couldn't be fixed until Tuesday (3 day weekend) and I was flying back to CA on Monday! BOY was the judge's clerk pissed! I couldn't even call my kids to explain why we weren't meeting-so the clerk called them for me. As a result my oldest not only will not see or talk with me, but also changed her last name to my ex's maiden name when she turned 18. Now she wants to be my friend so I pretend to be (Keep your friends close AND your enemies closer!).

    Divorce sucks and the courts are SO biased against men/for women that it's pathetic

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