New Privacy Laws Could Boost EU Cloud Industry 119
sweetpea86 writes "Cloud providers based in the European market could turn the fear, uncertainty and doubt around data protection and the U.S. Patriot Act to their advantage, according to Andy Burton, chairman of the Cloud Industry Forum. The only way that European companies can absolutely guarantee that their data doesn't end up in the hands of U.S. authorities is by choosing a provider that not only has a data centre within their jurisdiction, but is also owned by an organisation based in that jurisdiction."
Re:But which places are... (Score:5, Insightful)
It must be a nice place in your brain, with little pony and the teletubbies. I mean, do you really believe that?
The Patriot Act has a beautiful record of being abused for all sorts of purposes.
Ha! (Score:5, Insightful)
We've got this thing in my country with the one political party saying that they're pro-consumer and trying to push laws that limit corporate abuses, and the other party saying that they're pro-business and trying to squash anything that would reduce corporate size and influence with the claim that it's necessary for jobs, the economy, etc. Well bullshit. Some consumer-friendly legislation may be anti-established business, but that's not a negative, just thinning the herd. Get rid of the sick and bring on the new.
Re:But which places are... (Score:4, Insightful)
Unless they are old and sick, sheep shouldn't worry about getting eaten by wolves.
Unfortunately the definition of 'terrorism' has been stretched in recent years. Once you are accused it's nearly impossible to clear your name.
My Little Pony (Score:2, Insightful)
My Little Pony is actually a near-future post apocalyptic work, where the ponies have built their civilization on the ash and bones of the extinct human race.
They may look cute, but they have mobile armour and howitzers. It's pretty hard-core stuff.
Re:But which places are... (Score:4, Insightful)
And if you're not a crook, why would you wanna hide anything?
Face it, the terrorists won. What did they hate us for? Our liberty and freedom? Ok, we caved in and eliminated both.
Re:Names Please? (Score:4, Insightful)
No Company in the EU is safe from the US Gov. End of.
The US has laws that extend ALL US laws into every country in the world. They will use this to come after you if they even have the smallest suspicion that ther might just possibly mabe pehaps be something related to piracy, terrorism, child porn, anti US sentiments somewhere in your data.
Then it will be up to your government to tell the US what they can do with their extradition request. Mostly, they will roll over and let them take you.
The US also has laws where you can be held indefinitely without trial, charge or even access to a lawyer.
If you choose to go with a company that just happens to be a local subsidiary of a US company OR have a US subsidiat itself, they can wealk in without a warrant and take your data.
Where are you going for your hosting now?
Re:But which places are... (Score:4, Insightful)
Stay away from anywhere the UK/US has had bases "British Bases in Cyprus and Signals Intelligence" e.g. http://cryptome.org/2012/01/0060.pdf [cryptome.org]
Stay away from anywhere that has cheap telco peering loops to the USA thats going to save you lots
Your down to failed states, theocracies, Kingdoms, disputed zones with expensive telcos, changing local laws, taxes, gifts and investors fine print.
If you upset the USA, most of the EU has friends willing to help with some form of rendition.
Enjoy classified charges, no lawyer to evaluate or challenge the evidence.
Re:But which places are... (Score:5, Insightful)
> What did they hate us for? Our liberty and freedom?
I suspect they hate you for messing with their countries over and over again. They probably don't give a fuck about your 'liberty and freedom'.
Re:China, Russia, Venezuela ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Not all nations in this world kow tow to the mighty Uncle Sam, you know?
True, but the notion there is anyplace that can fully guarantee data does not end up in the hands of the US (or any other country, for that manner) is naive. Each of these countries ha their own self interest at heart, and if the US (or some other country) wants their help doing something they just need to come up with a compelling reason for them to help. Governments also change, as do a nations goals and interests.
The bottom line is, once you cede control of your data to third party, you lose the ability to ensure it will never get passed on to someone's. Or,a s the saying goes, two people can keep a secret only if one of them is dead.
Re:Our MS vs Google fight (Score:5, Insightful)
let me get this straight: a university, a WEALTH of intelligent and skilled people (many with lots of time on their hands) outsources an extremely easy to manage service and also one that has high risk of being abused by the outsourced company?
you value your data that little? you value privacy that little? you value your own people that little?
what place is that? I'd like to know so I can tell people NOT TO GO THERE.
lazy assholes. sheesh! pisses me off. wealth of brainpower but too fucking lazy to install and manage sendmail, qmail, or whatever.
Re:But which places are... (Score:5, Insightful)
You misspelled "Jesus" and "Christians." Oh, you weren't talking about the last thousand years of Christianity (up until maybe 150 years ago). My mistake.
Re:But which places are... (Score:2, Insightful)
Sure, the Islamists are perfectly happy to let us enjoy our lives, so long as we leave them alone. You're somewhat underestimating the Muslim capacity for butthurt and completely unjustified notions of superiority. The only way that Islamists will be content is when we either adopt Islam or agree to live under its rule. Even then, which version of Islam? Muslims have a rich tradition of killing Muslims who belong to different sects.
The Danes have a long history of charity and are hardly known for militarily throwing their weight around in the middle east, yet a few simple cartoons was enough to cause the Muslim world to erupt in to riots and the issuing of death threats. We can no more find accommodation with Islamists than we would be able to with 14th century Christians. Muslims will demand too much, and offer little in return. These are the people who happily see anti-semitic cartoons in their newspapers, yet will demand death for someone who'd poke fun at a dead schizophrenic with a hard-on for little girls. How about the "God bless Hitler" sign, and similar, that were being held by angry Muslims? Religion of peace, my arse.
There is no compromising with this mentality. We cannot reason with it, and we certainly cannot make it happy enough to leave us alone. Either we face it down, and preserver or values, or we allow these repressed bigots to impose theirs on us.
Re:But which places are... (Score:2, Insightful)
I suggest you try replacing "Muslims" with "Christians" in your first paragraph.
Works perfectly, doesn't it?
You are confusing the extremist, fundamentalist mulsim with the mulsim-in-the-street.
Some of my best friends are Christians; but then they are not Pat Robertson, or Jimmy Swaggart, or Michelle Bachman.
And remind me once again what Ann Coulter said after 9/11...