EU Moves To End Surveillance Tech Sales To Repressive Regimes 132
superglaze writes "The European Union is asking companies that sell surveillance and law enforcement tech to repressive regimes to stop doing so. The EU is not taking concrete action yet, but has warned that sanctions may be applicable. All this comes little more than a week after Wikileaks published the Spy Files, a name-and-shame list of the companies offering tools for mass surveillance and interception to despotic regimes, but also to Western governments."
Repressive? (Score:5, Insightful)
What about buying it from oppressive regimes? (Score:2, Insightful)
You can buy GPS trackers from China.
Indeed, much of what you buy from China supports slavery.
Hypocritical move is hypocritical.
Re:Repressive? (Score:4, Insightful)
I thought that was public knowledge. The world is divided into the righteous and the unrighteous, with the righteous always the ones doing the dividing.
Re:Repressive? (Score:4, Insightful)
Whoever has almost as much streetside camera surveilance and warrantless wiretapping as us is repressive.
Re:Repressive? (Score:5, Insightful)
Repression involves restricting free speech, journalism and internet access. Nice to see our EU politicians taking a moral stand when our own governments won't.
Re:Repressive? (Score:5, Insightful)
"If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Re:Largely symbolic (Score:5, Insightful)
They will certainly be able to get around it, but not helping them is still the right thing to do.
Re:Don't waste such pretty tech. on evil regimes.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't kid yourself. Cities in the US have got just as much CCTV, *and* you've got armed police everywhere too. Not to mention the proliferation of metal detectors in public buildings.
Scary stuff.
because "good" countries wouldn't misuse this tech (Score:4, Insightful)
Or are "good" countries allowed to use surveilance tech for all the purposes they want including spying their own citizens even if its for the "noble" goal of combating intellectual property theft?
Yes, I am cynical
Re:Repressive? (Score:5, Insightful)
Is it really that hard? If there is a concentration of power with lack of democratic structure and widespread censorship, I think those are pretty good indicators.
I'm getting a little tired of this schizophrenic attitude of finger pointing at western governments for their foreign policy and dealings. There is always going to be corruption and power abuse and western governments are not exempt from that. But there are far, far worse things going on in most of the rest of the world. If anyone has the moral authority to define what constitutes a repressive regime and gang up on them to limit the harm they can cause their own people, than it is western Europe. We have our share of problems, but we are also the most important stronghold of democracy and civil rights in the world (I consider the U.S. with its two party system and rampant lobbyism more as an oligarchy as a truly functional democracy). We will make mistakes along the way, but if we don't send signals and push back against what we consider to be repressive regimes, nobody else will because nobody else cares. So stop nitpicking at every action that is taken. At least there are some democratically elected institutions thinking about and trying to deal with these issues.
Re:Don't waste such pretty tech. on evil regimes.. (Score:5, Insightful)
If you are recorded doing something criminal in front of a CCTV camera in Britain, you will (maybe, if the police can be bothered to deal with it, or if they don't just give you a warning) be hauled off to a justice system that is the product of a reasonably fair democracy.
The article talks about surveilance software that identifies disloyalty so that the local goon squad can have their daily list of victims.
Comparing the two is a huge insult to people who live under genuinely repressive regimes. "Oh so you were tortured for your political views were you? Well we have it almost as bad here! I keep getting this creepy feeling that somebody's watching me! Oh, and we're not free to stab people in public either, because the cameras are watching! It's terrible!"
Re:Largely symbolic (Score:2, Insightful)
Name them, shame them. Most have something about ethics in their written aims. Let their shareholders and competitors know.
Re:Don't waste such pretty tech. on evil regimes.. (Score:4, Insightful)
I get so sick of the people who say that "I have nothing to hide, so I don't care about my privacy".
Time and time again, this crappy argument shows up again in a different form.
My point was (a sarcastic remark) about the EU's desire to check on its own citizens. I did not condone torture or dictatorships, and I said nothing about any comparison. The fact that there are worse regimes out there than the EU does not mean that we're doing a good job in the EU.
Re:Repressive? (Score:3, Insightful)