Big Brother In the Home Office 298
hessian writes with this excerpt from the New York Times' "Bits" column: "Tens of thousands of programmers, writers, accountants and other workers labor at home doing contract work for companies like Google, Hewlett-Packard and NBC. The computers they use contain software that takes snapshots of what they are doing six times an hour. The snooping occurs randomly, making it impossible for the computer user to game the system. It is probably more invasive than what happens to those working in offices, where scooting through Facebook entries, shopping on Cyber Monday, and peeping at N.S.F.W. ('Not Safe for Work') Web sites on corporate computers is both normal and rarely observed by managers."
So... (Score:5, Insightful)
Use another PC for private stuff!
Humm, not possible to game the system ? (Score:5, Insightful)
What about the other (personnal) computer next to the work computer ?
Re:As long as it's all consensual (Score:5, Insightful)
Because most people are still paid by the hour.
Why would anyone tolerate this? (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't understand why anyone would tolerate this. I've done remote work for decades, since long before the internet made it possible to access client's source repositories or documentation sites as you can now. I've never had my billable hours questioned, and have always delivered quality software in the end.
I'd be so insulted to have a client even suggest such an intrusive back-handed accusation that I'm ripping them off that I would immediately leave the negotiating table with a pair of digits waved on high as I headed out the door.
This seems perfectly acceptable. (Score:5, Insightful)
And having different standards in this case makes sense. This isn't monitoring full-time employees that you've rigorously hired and who will be reviewed by HR regularly and that have a real stake in keeping the position. This is for freelance, hourly workers that could be located anywhere in the world.
Re:As long as it's all consensual (Score:4, Insightful)
Actually when somebody is paying by the hour instead for the work done, you can bet that the hour is not too productive.
Re:Webcams too (Score:4, Insightful)
Sites like odesk and elance are the quickest way to devalue yourself, your work, and your future.
If you're measuring productivity that way (Score:5, Insightful)
Not to sound assholish (Score:2, Insightful)
But the employer has a right to know he is not flushing money down the toilet in paying you not to work and stealing his time away.
He owns the equipment and has a right to do whatever he wants with it.
Suck it up or dont work. If you were paying out of pocket your opinion would change drastically. It is no different than a work pc anyway.
Slashdot ... 10 years too late (Score:4, Insightful)
OK, I don't know exactly how old ODesk is, but, basically, it's been doing this forever.
The client gets a view to into the desktop of the sweatoffice worker.
I thought most Slashdotter knew about the top 2-3 outsourcing marketplaces (Elance, ODesk, Rentacoder) just as a matter of general knowledge.
Re:So... (Score:5, Insightful)
I am assuming that any company so paranoid that they're logging everything the employee is doing would be equally as batshit crazy about unexplained lulls in activity.
I'm very suspicious about the "cannot be gamed" thing... it's software, ffs.
You are at work... (Score:5, Insightful)
Let me guess this is also the same group of people who complain when they don't get promoted or are the first to get layoffs.
Re:Not to sound assholish (Score:4, Insightful)
Excellent point!!!!!
Employees are paid by the hour. Independent contractors are paid by the piecework or by the job.
Here's what the IRS has to say about it [irs.gov]
So, what are these factors? From the same web page ...
These sites, dictating how the job is accomplished, sure look like it.
Paid by the hour sure sounds like it's not "contract work."
Microsoft got into trouble with this with their perma-temps programs. You can't just repeatedly hire the same person "as a contract worker" forever - at one point, in the eyes of the IRS and the courts, they become an employee.
Re:You are at work... (Score:5, Insightful)
Part of my job is knowing how to program efficiently and effectively. This involves perusing websites, twitter feeds, wikipedia, personal blogs, news sites and other easily-misinterpreted content. I should not have to justify every single web request I make. I should not have to ask, before each decision to click a link, "Is this good for the Company?".
Re:Why would anyone tolerate this? (Score:5, Insightful)
Exactly the above. People with no sense of their work's worth and no self-respect are willing to submit to degradation in order to get jobs that don't pay well, and when they lower their personal value it lowers the businesses' perception of the value of each and every one of us.
Re:Why would anyone tolerate this? (Score:4, Insightful)
Human beings are not built to work full tilt for 8 hours a day; if you want that sort of "productivity", buy a machine to do the work. Requiring breaks, time to think, etc are not examples of "being lazy". Employers want to squeeze more and more out of the same or less people, while at the same time real wages have remained stagnent for the last 30-40 years except for those in the top 1-5% of the population.
I'm going long pitchfork futures.
Re:Webcams too (Score:4, Insightful)