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China Using Net Censorship As a Trade Weapon? 111

Posted by Soulskill
from the nobody-likes-censorship dept.
angry tapir writes "The Chinese government is using Internet censorship as a trade weapon against U.S. tech companies trying to do business there. China's ongoing censorship of the Internet is applied unevenly, with foreign companies often facing stricter rules than their Chinese counterparts, said Ed Black, president and CEO of the Computer and Communications Industry Association, to the U.S. Congressional-Executive Commission on China. (Of course, a lot of countries aren't thrilled by U.S. net censorship efforts.)"
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China Using Net Censorship As a Trade Weapon?

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  • Shocking. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) on Friday November 18, 2011 @11:08AM (#38099218) Journal
    This just in: China still operates under non-trivially mercantilist policies; US continues to cede moral high ground on issue as fast as possible at behest of entertainment industries.

    News. At. 11.
  • by ackthpt (218170) on Friday November 18, 2011 @11:09AM (#38099228) Homepage Journal

    They took yer job, U.S. government!

    Not sure if this is meant cynically or in humour, but the Chinese government is highly creative and quite indirect when it comes to the tit-for-tat of diplomacy. They've been at it for a bit longer.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 18, 2011 @11:35AM (#38099564)

    We all talk about how terrible is Internet censorship in China, while in the meantime out own US congress (which by large does no longer represent the interests of US citizens) is considering laws to centralise control of the Internet, in the name of "security" and defending the interest of a small number of companies that heavily lobby on these regulations. This is happening right now, people. Wake up. You can keep criticising China, or maybe you can use that energy to do something about your own country. Or you can wait some years, and try to explain to your grandchildren why their freedom of speech is nowhere to be found.

  • Re:SOPA in action (Score:2, Insightful)

    by poity (465672) on Friday November 18, 2011 @11:40AM (#38099622)

    This is nothing like SOPA. The only similarity one can draw is that they're both using unethical methods to protect domestic businesses. However, the Chinese government is protecting their businesses from legitimate competition, whereas the US government is protecting their businesses from illegitimate competition (piracy).

  • Re:SOPA in action (Score:4, Insightful)

    by cpghost (719344) on Friday November 18, 2011 @11:47AM (#38099718) Homepage
    What is legitimate and what isn't, is often in the eye of the beholder. Or did you mean "legal" (as opposed to "legitimate")?
  • by nimbius (983462) on Friday November 18, 2011 @11:49AM (#38099748) Homepage
    is the only time america cares about chinese government censorship is when it impedes the flow of the free market economy.
    we censor many foreign products from american consumption based on trademark or patent, we censor our media from covering the
    zucatti park raid, and even arrest them. our censorship prevented journalists from photographing returning c130 cargo planes carrying dead
    and wounded soldiers during the iraq war, and prevents us from knowing who presidents like George Bush invited to the whitehouse.

    our system is a revolving door of corporatocracy from which elites of the upper class are bred for leadership, much the same as china.
    rule-in-perpetuity by a single party is really no different than having only two parties to choose from, neither of which accomplish any meaningful
    longterm reform or change.
  • Re:SOPA in action (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Tastecicles (1153671) on Friday November 18, 2011 @12:03PM (#38099984)

    I don't quite get how sourcing labour in one country then exporting the fruits of that labour to another (think Chinese kids putting iPads together for $0.10 a day to get around US employer taxes then those iPads being sold for upwards of $600 or whatever in the States) can in any way be considered legitimate. OK, so it keeps Chinese kids off the streets (laughably), but child slavery does nothing for the esteem of the country, its perceived Human Rights record (I can tell you right now that the UK is no halo'd angel when it comes to Human Rights), nor its "carbon footprint" compared with per capita GDP.

    Pedant point: the term "piracy" has been co-opted by the Entertainment and Media industry from its original meaning which referred to crimes against the Person and Ship committed on the High Seas. The co-opted meaning refers to the unauthorised bootlegging (ie copying and distribution) of recorded works. It has nothing to do with rape and pillage and murder on the High Seas, but it invariably carries a harsher sentence because why? Because E&M owns Government (and writes the rules to serve itself - what would you do in that position?), and E&M controls the flow of information.

    When you control the flow of information you can make people believe what you want them to believe and get it to the point where any oppositional thinking is regarded as delusional paranoia, rejected and mocked by the masses, any repitition of which is further regarded as inflammatory and slanderous. Many of those historically considered as evil (Mussolini, Hitler, Gadhafi, Hussein) knew of those techniques and used them to advantage in ways that would (and do) give DHS and MI5 wet dreams.

  • by Stan92057 (737634) on Friday November 18, 2011 @12:05PM (#38100008)
    Your always free to move to The Communist Government Of China if you don't like life here in the USA. For our OUR faults Ide much rather live here. If you don't vote or take part in community government you have no right to complain. Its just that simple.
  • Consequences (Score:4, Insightful)

    by sjbe (173966) on Friday November 18, 2011 @12:13PM (#38100144)

    Enough playing Tiddly Wings with China. Tariff them until our trade between them balances.

    That's fine. How do you plan to deal with the large increases in prices of a huge number of goods? A lot of goods are made in China because of cost and it is highly non-trivial, not to mention expensive, to relocate all of that production. Much of the burden of the increased costs of goods will fall on the low income portion of the the population.

    Riding your high horse isn't without a cost.

    Plus, the US gov't can use the revenue right now.

    What revenue? You think there would be no consequences? Raise prices suddenly on a wide variety of goods and you are almost certainly going to send the US economy into the tank again. Tax revenues would plummet much more than any money that would be raised from tariffs.

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