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ACTA To Be Signed This Weekend 277

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We've been following the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement for over three years, from its secretive beginnings, to the controversy and debate that followed, and to the document it eventually evolved into. Now, Japan has announced that the agreement will finally be signed on Saturday during a ceremony that follows an anti-piracy symposium on Friday. "The negotiation has been carried out among Australia, Canada, the European Union and its Member States, Japan, the Republic of Korea, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, Switzerland, and the United States, and reached a general agreement at the negotiation meeting held in Japan in October 2010, followed by the completion of technical and translation work in April 2011. ... The signing ceremony will be attended by the representatives of all the participants in the ACTA negotiations, and those that have completed relevant domestic processes will sign the agreement. The agreement is open for signature until May 1, 2013."
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ACTA To Be Signed This Weekend

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  • sigh (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Dyinobal (1427207) on Tuesday September 27, 2011 @11:21PM (#37535996)
    Well damn someone pass the lube I guess it's that time again.
  • Yeah, so... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bill_mcgonigle (4333) * on Tuesday September 27, 2011 @11:25PM (#37536030) Homepage Journal

    ... how's that 'representative democracy' working out for 'ya? Feel represented yet?

    /me :braces for authoritarian collectivist downmod:

  • Re:Obama 2012! (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 27, 2011 @11:28PM (#37536036)

    Obviously. That's why you don't vote for the guy who can only give canned answers and fancy speeches.

    The Republicans are bad, but they can't get away with as much. If Bush or another Republican was pulling this BS the major media would be crucifying them. That's pretty much the only difference between parties. If it's a Democrat, the media ignores as much as they can, and tries to spin everything to be positive. . .if it's a Republican, it's the only time the media does it's job, making sure that every action is brought to public light.

    My criticism isn't as much that I think Democrats are worse, they just get away with a lot more. If you hate wars, corporate welfare and a police state under a Republican administration, you are a good American freedom lover who stands up for civil rights. If you hate wars, corporate welfare and a police state under a Democratic administration, you are a racist, extremist, and a danger to democracy.

    As bad as Republicans are, it's downright dishonest the double standard that the media in this country has. . . If Bush had run as a Democrat, he would have likely been hailed by the media as the best president ever in American history. I bet you.

  • Re:Yeah, so... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Greyfox (87712) on Tuesday September 27, 2011 @11:47PM (#37536156) Homepage Journal
    You mean the 2/3rds of the Senate that gets tens of thousands of dollars donated to their campaigns from the entertainment industry every time election season rolls around? Yeah, I'm sure those guys will put up a fight.
  • by cosm (1072588) <thecosm3@gmail. c o m> on Tuesday September 27, 2011 @11:54PM (#37536200)
    That is what the US will become. The warriors of intellectual property. If we can't manufacture, create, and export tangible things, then god-dammit we'll charge for any intangible a lawyer can serve papers on.
  • Re:Obama 2012! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by JWW (79176) on Tuesday September 27, 2011 @11:56PM (#37536212)

    Are you serious??

    Obama has been bombing Libya for months now without invoking the war powers act.

    If Bush had done that the Democrats would have organized marches with millions of participants protesting.

    Those millions just sit at home because it's "their guy" that is doing it this time.

    By the same token many of the Republicans that supported Bush's actions with respect to Iraq are now pissed off at Obama. Sure he's violating the war powers act and they can catch him on a technicality, but you sure as hell know they'd have been fine with Bush if he had violated it.

    Its all about "my team" vs. "your team" anymore. Americans don't stand on principle, they just proudly wear the label for their side that they belong to. And they belong to that side because they've always belonged to it.

    Its sickening.

    And of course both of our political sides happily sell us out to the Movie and Music industry, even though they're small potatoes compared to industries that'll be harmed by these brain dead laws and treaties.

  • Re:Obama 2012! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by artor3 (1344997) on Wednesday September 28, 2011 @12:01AM (#37536232)

    You should get into the fertilizer business with that amount of bullshit. Bush kidnapped and tortured people on a whim, stole hundred of billions of dollars from the nation in the form of unfunded wars and mandates, and still got reelected. Obama told schoolchildren that they should stay in school, and was excoriated in the media for Soviet brainwashing. He tried to reimburse doctors for helping patients write a living will, and was accused of setting of Nazi Death Panels. The guy can't get away with doing good things.

    Republicans can do whatever the hell they want, because their wing of the media owns the party and would never do anything to hurt them. The liberal wing of the media still takes Democrats to task when they do something wrong (watch Rachel Maddow for a week if you don't believe it), while the conservative media makes shit up to criticize them for whenever they try to do something right.

  • Re:Obama 2012! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Nursie (632944) on Wednesday September 28, 2011 @12:18AM (#37536320)

    If Bush had done that the Democrats would have organized marches with millions of participants protesting.

    If Bush had done that the Democrats would have organized marches with millions of participants protesting."

    Invading Iraq on a WMD/Terrorist pretext is wholly different proposition to providing air support to an in-progress popular rebellion.

    I'm not American, I don't care for Obama particularly, but the Libya actions seem to be attracting praise from people *worldwide*, whereas the Iraq debacle has ruined the reputation of the US the world over. This particular area is not something that you can or should reduce to partisan politics.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 28, 2011 @12:21AM (#37536338)

    Australia, Canada, the European Union and its Member States, Japan, the Republic of Korea, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, Switzerland....

    Are all our bitches now.. You'll enforce our IP laws and fucking like it. And we might pretend to enforce your IP laws if it suits us. But i wouldn't bet on it if an american company is involved.

    Mod me down. But it's still 100% true. Watch and see. We're now entering an age of a new unwinnable war.. The war on "piracy"! And it's going to cost us all BILLIONS!. Except hollywood and the music industry. They're the only winners.

    Damm we're retarded. But hey... Not nearly as bad as.. Australia, Canada, the European Union and its Member States, Japan, the Republic of Korea, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, Switzerland....

  • Two words ... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by tqk (413719) <s.keeling@mail.com> on Wednesday September 28, 2011 @12:21AM (#37536340)

    Civil disobedience.

    No, I'm not a "pirate" and I don't steal stuff from "Rights Holders" and "Intellectual Property" evangelists. However, I do advocate boycotting them and everything they're selling for pushing draconian "legislation" such as ACTA. This sort of crap is not adding value to the world.

    Nobody *needs* anything they're selling.

    Don't buy it. Don't use it. Find other suppliers. There's plenty of them if you'd only look! Teach 'em how to rot in hell. Don't go there or play their game, and convince your friends not to as well.

    They're slime, they're acting like slime, and you need not put up with actions such as theirs. They're also co-opting your government and legal system against you.

    Just don't buy their !@#$. Watch 'em fade into history as they should.

  • by artor3 (1344997) on Wednesday September 28, 2011 @12:39AM (#37536424)

    Liar, liar, liar.

    [Torture] is continued today under Obama.

    Lies. Rendition is still occurring, which is bad, but torture is not.

    Are banks and automobile companies really so different? Not to mention there is Libya...

    Banks were bailed out by Bush, liar. The car companies paid back most of their loans, and even if they hadn't, the money would have gone towards employing Americans during a recession instead of sabotaging Medicare with an unfunded prescription drug benefit. And Libya has cost the US about $1 billion dollars, compared to Iraq which has cost over $1 trillion.

    Methinks you have dropped all context [regarding Obama speaking to school children], as well as misunderstanding what "the media" did.

    By all means, liar, explain how Obama talking to school children really was an act of brainwashing.

    The Death Panels part came not from doctors writing wills but from forming, well, panels deciding how much care people would get - or not.

    LIAR! The Death Panels crap started over a section of the bill that would have provided optional will-writing services to people over a certain age, or with life threatening conditions. They then kept the lie going even after that section was dropped from the bill, because imbeciles like you were eating it up so well.

    Honestly, it is mind-boggling the way Republicans throw up a wall of lies when faced with criticism. Do you really believe that repeating your lie enough will make it true?

  • by andycal (127447) on Wednesday September 28, 2011 @02:37AM (#37536956)
    OMFG what a terrible website experience ... no wonder only 11 signatures at the moment.
    requires sigin to vote.. ok
    pop up form incompatible with android touch kybd. ( click text area , lose kybd focus)
    use slide out kybd
    Sends validation mail.... ok
    It's not a link, I have to copy and paste
    Drops me to 404 page
    Move to laptop, try again
    Still, not a link, but copy paste better on laptop, whitehouse.gov says :Validation already used.
    Please login, requests email and password... ( I didn't ever get prompted for a password )
    request lost password
    New validation link, ( still not hot, copy paste) ... OK validated, but link valid only once, please set password.
    OK, logged in .. but *lost* is the link to the page I was on... where is that petition ?
    back to /. re-click link page comes up, .. but "Sign Petition" is still greyed-out
    click "signin" and my choices are "Sign out" and "Forgot Password"
    Now I will try logout and log back in.. will see if that works

    I get the feeling they don't actually want people to sign these things.
  • Re:Yeah, so... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by phantomfive (622387) on Wednesday September 28, 2011 @02:39AM (#37536974) Journal
    Right, go ask 10 random people on the street what they think should happen to copyright law, and see how many of them care. When no one cares, then the people who do care tend to get their way (which is, artists and recording industries. What, you don't think artists want longer copyrights? Don't be naive, they are like the rest of us and would gladly take more money).

    Representative democracy only works when people pay attention to government, and vote accordingly. When was the last time you voted or even contacted your representative based on copyright? I never have. Maybe I should, but there are other things I care about more.
  • Re:Yeah, so... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by myowntrueself (607117) on Wednesday September 28, 2011 @03:46AM (#37537272)

    Representative democracy only works when people pay attention to government, and vote accordingly. When was the last time you voted or even contacted your representative based on copyright? I never have. Maybe I should, but there are other things I care about more.

    Most people vote based on what they are told by the media. A minority of people vote based on properly informed and developed opinion.

    Democracy is subject to the same 'forces', the same social manipulations and psychology, that underlie advertising. Advertising works and is well worth the billions that are spent on it. Advertising works just as well for 'informing' the public on how they should vote as it does for getting products off of the shelf.

    Therefore 'representative' democracy will always be representative of the will of easily manipulated people who are fed false information. Well-informed political debate and dialectic are kept as far away from democracy as possible.

  • by bzipitidoo (647217) <bzipitidoo@yahoo.com> on Wednesday September 28, 2011 @03:58AM (#37537310) Journal

    Let them have their fun. It's not entirely irrelevant, but near enough. For decades, sharing has been villified as piracy. And bans on the activity have proven time and again to be impractical to enforce. ACTA doesn't change any of that. If you aren't already, get used to being thought a criminal. And don't sweat about the possibility of being accused and threatened. The odds of it happening are low. Numbers are on our side.

    We'll just have to wait for the older generations to lose power. They won't admit that sharing is not evil and not theft, not unless they take one hell of a beating over the issue, which they probably won't. Once they're gone, we'll ditch these idiotic laws. Be nice if it happens sooner, through the election of Pirate Party politicians, but it will happen eventually, one way or another, as mortality catches up with them.

  • by roman_mir (125474) on Wednesday September 28, 2011 @07:58AM (#37538554) Homepage Journal

    Exactly. There should be no reason for these guys all to fly to Washington DC, all to assemble in one room.

    Get them onto the Internet, connect them into a virtual room, have this thing broadcast over youtube.

    NO MORE PRIVATE BS CONVERSATIONS.

    Record everything they do. Anything that's not recorded must be illegal for them. Force them to live in places that they are supposed to represent.

    Have a huge ass LCD screen in every city of the State, constantly showing what the elected officials are doing.

    They better get used to this, because that's what they want to perpetrate on every one of YOU.

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