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ISPs Will Now Be Copyright Cops 338

Posted by timothy
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An anonymous reader writes "Wendy Seltzer, Fellow at Princeton University's Center for Information Technology Policy, talks about the new plan by ISPs and content providers to 'crack down on what users can do with their internet connections' using a 6-step warning system to curb online copyright infringement."
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ISPs Will Now Be Copyright Cops

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  • by tepples (727027) <tepples@gmaiBLUEl.com minus berry> on Saturday August 06, 2011 @07:12PM (#37010808) Homepage Journal

    As an artist, I'm dismayed that works that took years of effort and money just get pirated without any compensation at all.

    All works of authorship are based in part on other works. Would you want to get your Internet access cut off for having inadvertently included too much of someone else's work in your own work?

  • by drobety (2429764) on Saturday August 06, 2011 @07:15PM (#37010822)
    I will be glad to pay you directly for your work. The problem really is the greedy dinosaurs between you and me who try hard to stay relevant despite technological advances.
  • by scottbomb (1290580) on Saturday August 06, 2011 @07:19PM (#37010842) Journal

    Haven't we been arguing this since the invention of the copy machine? As long as people want something bad enough, they will get it. The cat and mouse game will never end and the cat will never win. For every torrent site that gets shut down, 3 new ones appear. The genie technology has been let out of the bottle. People will find new ways to transport and hide/encrypt their files.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 06, 2011 @07:23PM (#37010874)

    She explicitly said that "study after study has shown that those who pirate the most frequently are also the ones who are willing to pay the most for legal access to that copyrighted material." And then she also pointed out that it's disturbing to see the conglomeration of media companies and service providers like NBC-Comcast.

    I like this lady, and I hope she manages to make those points to others!

  • by girlintraining (1395911) on Saturday August 06, 2011 @07:26PM (#37010900)
    This could really only be a problem in the United States because there is such little competition in the market. In any market where true competition exists, a company that attempted to restrict access in a way that did not have a clear economic benefit or cost would slowly lose customers. Restricting access to certain websites or data could never work in a competitive marketplace. The only reason the United States has bandwidth caps is because of a lack of competition as well... But at least there is an underlying economic reason for the ISPs to do so.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 06, 2011 @07:29PM (#37010920)

    Unless you happen to have sold out to a big enough publisher (of any kind) capable of bribing the ISPs, they will not care about your valuable content being "illegally" copied.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 06, 2011 @07:29PM (#37010926)
    I wouldn't. His work is crap.
  • It is really crazy how blatant and out of control copyright has become in our society. I'm all for just abandoning or totally revising the concept altogether.

    As an academic, I'm dismayed that research up to 70 years old and paid for with public money money can just be locked off for no reason at all. And that the essential right of citizens to acess the public internet can be interdicted by private corporations. It's time governments do something about this.

  • by ae1294 (1547521) on Saturday August 06, 2011 @07:30PM (#37010938) Journal

    Haven't we been arguing this since the invention of the copy machine? As long as people want something bad enough, they will get it. The cat and mouse game will never end and the cat will never win. For every torrent site that gets shut down, 3 new ones appear. The genie technology has been let out of the bottle. People will find new ways to transport and hide/encrypt their files.

    If you're of noble birth and choose to make most everything illegal, than you've made most everyone else your slave. Make knowledge illegal and their children and children's children become slaves. Make chiropractic schools illegal and you've made Dr. Bob your new court jester.

  • by ZorinLynx (31751) on Saturday August 06, 2011 @07:33PM (#37010958) Homepage

    Especially in the US, we don't really manufacture much anymore. A good percentage of our GDP is intellectual property. So of course people are going to go overboard in protecting it.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 06, 2011 @07:42PM (#37011022)

    If the cat kills every mouse, the cat will die. The cat only needs to catch enough mice to sustain it's lifestyle. I think it is a very accurate analogy.

  • by Lanteran (1883836) on Saturday August 06, 2011 @07:44PM (#37011038) Homepage Journal

    That's an understatement. They've made claims that are greater than the GDP of the entire world.

  • just plain absurd (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Blymie (231220) on Saturday August 06, 2011 @07:50PM (#37011084)

    Private industry has absolutely NO place as judge, jury and executioner. NONE. Zero. Zilch.

    If one is to be found guilty of anything, a court should be involved. Perhaps there should be changes to the law, to make small claim's court responsible for minor copyright infractions by users.

    Regardless, in no way should one private company provide proof to another private company, which results in any sort of detrimental action being taken against a citizen of a free country! In fact, if that information is wrong, the copyright holder could be sued for slander/libel, along with the ISP being sued for various other things.

  • by kawabago (551139) on Saturday August 06, 2011 @07:57PM (#37011134)
    The media industry commissioned a 'real' study of file traders and their effect on sales. They found the file traders were also the best customers. They found that file trading is like radio was in previous decades. File traders download music and films to see if they like them, if they do, they buy them. I don't see anything wrong with that at all. The industry buried the report. Stopping file trading will lead to a complete collapse of the music industry, that is exactly what we need!
  • Re:6 Warnings (Score:5, Insightful)

    by sgt scrub (869860) <saintium&yahoo,com> on Saturday August 06, 2011 @08:01PM (#37011154)

    Did your keyboard break? You forgot, "so my neighbors don't loose their connections".

  • by countertrolling (1585477) on Saturday August 06, 2011 @08:05PM (#37011174) Journal

    People will find new ways to transport and hide/encrypt their files.

    Nobody cares about that. The whole idea here is to give new pretense to to spy on people and knock their doors down. Make everybody subject to arrest and their equipment subject to seizure. Yeah, just like the war on drugs, which is still proving to be very profitable, so don't expect much change there.

  • by Gerzel (240421) <brollyferret@@@gmail...com> on Saturday August 06, 2011 @08:09PM (#37011190) Journal

    How about holding that income protection for a term so that the artist who created it will be long dead before it expires?

    How exactly does that encourage the artist or the artist's heirs to produce?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 06, 2011 @08:17PM (#37011212)

    Most ISPs also are content providers so they see it as using their control over their internet connections to increase the revenue of their content. This is why content carriers and content producers should never be allowed to be the same people.

  • by erroneus (253617) on Saturday August 06, 2011 @08:25PM (#37011252) Homepage

    That never has existed for ISPs and lately, the biggest ISPs have dreams and intent on being content providers as well. If they hope to get you to pay for streaming content, they need to limit your access to free materials in whatever forms. So they are not interested in common carrier status. This is precisely why we need network neutrality laws firmly in place... of course, if someone were to try to get it passed, there would be so many little tweaks in there it wouldn't even resemble the original intent. (Look what happened to Obama's healthcare reform... it might have been nice.)

  • DAMN YOU....what kind of choice is that? Slavery...Dr Bob wearing the little hat and bells on his shoes and made to do tricks....slavery...bells and stupid tricks...ARGH I can't choose and its YOUR FAULT asshole!

    As for TFA, sorry babe, but after 30+ years of a policy of " Give teh rich more MONIES nom nom nom" the wealth is too concentrated for them to give a fuck what YOU think. They own the MSM, so try protesting, nobody will see it, nor will they see the cops crack your head later. Vote? For whom? Thanks to Citizens United they don't even have to hide the bribes anymore!

    Until we have our own Arab Spring, which I figure is coming, 5 or 6 years of depression should do the trick, you might as well give it up as you simply can't compete with the 1%ers. You have your little signs, they have congressmen on speed dial. You have your little forums, the have Fox, CBS, ABC, NBC, and a couple of dozen more. Not much of a fight really.

  • Re:RTFS? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Mashiki (184564) <mashiki@gmai l . c om> on Saturday August 06, 2011 @08:40PM (#37011334) Homepage

    Again. Doesn't make it any less stupid, inane, or fucked up.

  • by Doctor_Jest (688315) on Sunday August 07, 2011 @12:30AM (#37012228)

    I love the fact that yes, infringement exists, but there is a substantial part of their "audience" that is just plain tired of their crap and have abandoned them. They don't go to movies, they don't buy CDs (that aren't used old stuff), and they don't buy DVDs/Blu Rays... and there's nothing worth torrenting for them. :)

    When that group becomes a majority, somehow, some way, these asspiles will figure out how to monetize the ability NOT to watch or otherwise consume their "content." I bet someone's already drawn up a plan, piled some cash into a vault, and put the red button behind a glass cover that says "break only in the event that people stop caring about our crap."

    I have seen 1 movie this year in the theater, Thor. It sucked. So I avoided the rest of the movies. I just haven't given a shit for a long time, but now, I'm pretty much done wasting my time. I've got better things to do than to make these pricks richer. For those who continue to do so, I don't mind. I just won't do it. One day, though... you'll get tired of the same, rehashed shit and simply tune them out. I never thought I would, but then again, their efforts to stomp on my liberty hadn't gotten this bad yet.

  • by TheRaven64 (641858) on Sunday August 07, 2011 @05:14AM (#37012914) Journal

    A symptom of having a society that actually governed by rule of law

    The idea behind the rule of law is that the law is codified and impartial, as opposed to rule by individual humans who can make different decisions based on how they feel. Now, take a look at the current US legal system, where the outcome of a court case depends to a large degree on how much you can afford to spend on lawyers, whether you make a good impression on the judge, and which judge you happen to appear in front of. Does that really sound like the rule of law to you?

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