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Illegal Film Downloading Up 33% In the UK 259

moderators_are_w*nke writes "The BBC have picked up a report from 'internet intelligence' company Envisional showing illegal film downloading is up 33% in the UK since 2006. The solution is apparently for content providers to 'compete with piracy and get their content out there themselves as easily and as quickly and as cheaply as possible.'"
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Illegal Film Downloading Up 33% In the UK

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  • Will never happen. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    "The solution is apparently for content providers to 'compete with piracy and get their content out there themselves as easily and as quickly and as cheaply as possible'"

    Will never happens, they live in the past, not in the future. Such a thing just isn't possible for them to even imagine.
    I'm still dreaming of a service similar to Steam, for movies.

    • by ElectricTurtle (1171201) on Thursday July 07, 2011 @11:10AM (#36684052)
      Except that Steam is DRMed shit. If anything what is needed is a GOG or Amazon music or other DRM free thing for movies. If I buy something I don't want some random suit somewhere deciding I can't have it anymore and flipping a proverbial switch that invalidates my purchase.
      • by JMJimmy (2036122)

        ala Sony with PS3 Linux.

      • While I agree with you that we should have more outfits like, Steam is a lot better than some of the other DRM out there. It's incredibly easy to break, doesn't install false drivers, allows offline backup/restore and play of games, etc. And the good thing is that once you break it for one game, you've basically broken it for all the games. (The exception is the few games that also include other DRM.)

        The only thing that I wish Steam would allow is transfer of games between accounts; gifting of a "us

        • by Tx (96709)

          The exception is the few games that also include other DRM.

          More and more seem to be ending up in this category recently, sadly.

        • by Moryath (553296)

          I was looking to get the major pack of Crysis in order to play Mechwarrior: Living Legends.

          Then I saw the crapass DRM that floats around with Crysis, even via Steam.

          Nope. Not going to infect my system.

      • by Dynedain (141758) <> on Thursday July 07, 2011 @11:26AM (#36684250) Homepage

        Steam may be DRM, but they're incredibly smart in that they've made getting and playing content easier than BitTorrent and cracking. Time and time again, people have pointed out that this is the only way to compete with copyright violation, and the success of Steam is proof in the pudding.

        • Steam may be DRM, but they're incredibly smart in that they've made getting and playing content easier than BitTorrent and cracking. Time and time again, people have pointed out that this is the only way to compete with copyright violation, and the success of Steam is proof in the pudding.

          If you ever run across the headline "Steam shutting its doors", make a point to read the comments then.

    • I'm still dreaming of a service similar to Steam, for movies.

      Lovefilm and iTunes offer services what you are after.

      • LoveFilm has a very limited streaming selection, and even for DVDs it's typically possible to get the film from illegal sources months before the DVD release. I have things on my LoveFilm queue that have been in the 'awaiting release' category for over a year. It's like the media companies don't want my money...
    • by Tx (96709)

      Well, porn companies are doing this, you can buy DRM-free HD and DVD movie downloads...erm, so I'm told.

      • *Buy* porn?! Ahahahahahaha!

        Here's a tip that doesn't involve any torrents. Take any fetish you have, and put it into Google along with the term 'tube'. If you ever exhaust that supply, well, you might want to seek professional help.

        Honestly I wonder how the porn industry makes any money anymore. It must all be off of people over the age of 35 who don't know how the internet works.
        • by ceoyoyo (59147)

          The same way everyone else on the Internet makes money. You've noticed how many ads are on porn sites, right?

    • by _Sprocket_ (42527)

      Will never happens, they live in the past, not in the future. Such a thing just isn't possible for them to even imagine.

      Media companies always live in the past. There is always a business model that transforms the industry until it becomes outdated yet held on to even as it drags the industry down in to near collapse. Then someone finally adapts to reality by implementing a new business model and the survivors all jump ship. Reality often involves disruptive technology. You can see this in the history of Hollywood (studio system, television) and music (radio).

      Of course - that history also shows a grudgingly slow adapt

    • they know exactly how obsolete their business model is. however that isn't going to prevent them from milking it for everything it is worth. until they themselves concluded nothing more could be gain from it, they will persist. the politicians in their pockets will assist, irrespective of what the populace might think, or how loud the complains might be.

  • Common Sense! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 07, 2011 @11:05AM (#36683954)

    It's about frikken time someone admitted that! I've been saying for years that I don't pirate stuff because it's free - I pirate stuff because it's the only way I can get the product that I want, without DRM and without archaic physical media, and that will actually work on my Linux HTPC.

    • My Impatience (Score:5, Insightful)

      by improfane (855034) on Thursday July 07, 2011 @11:11AM (#36684070) Journal

      I torrent but I am not a pirate.

      How is this possible?

      I recently felt like watching DS9 so I started torrenting a season of it. After watching an episode I proceeded to buy four box sets online.

      I went back to watching my torrented versions. How convenient they are!

      When they arrived, I deleted all the episodes I watched and started watching the DVDs from the boxset on TV.

      Not only do I have Babylon 5 and SG, I have almost completed my DS9 series. They were all collected in the same fashion. Streaming or torrents first and then proper purchases.

      Why the fuck would I buy something before knowing what it is like first?

      • Torrenting almost always involves distributing pieces to a lot of other bit-torrent users. Each constitutes a copyright infringement, because you don't have distribution rights (aka copyright).

        Even if you buy or own the thing you are bit-torrenting, it's still very much illegal if you don't own the copyright to that thing.

        • by jedidiah (1196)

          ...which is all a side effect of the fact that the copyright owner wants to trample all over your personal property rights associated with the legitimate copy you bought from them.

          • by TheThiefMaster (992038) on Thursday July 07, 2011 @12:02PM (#36684700)

            Personal property right to share your bought copy with a few thousand torrenters? I didn't know there was such a right.

            • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

              by jedidiah (1196)

              Sharing with the swarm is a natural and obvious consequence of preventing the individual from using their personal property in an easy and convenient manner.

          • Don't argue with him. Have you checked the username? TheThiefMaster This fella knows what he's talking about. ;)

            Now, seriously, he's right. You got it all the way around: preventing distribution from other sources is the motivation; them trampling on your right to private copy is the side effect.

        • Assuming, of course that you are not just leaching. It is possible to block the upload capabilities on most torrent clients.
          • And your download rate gets almost completely destroyed as a result. Other peers/leachers try to find the peers/seeds they can get the highest download rate from, so will disconnect from you if you don't send them anything. Leaving you with any seeds there might be, which are usually overloaded.

            Still, I said almost always.

      • by cdrguru (88047)

        When I watch a movie or a TV episode I might watch it again in a few years if it was extremely good and memorable, but I would consider it a complete waste of my time to even consider watching most things more than once. Ever.

        I am pretty sure that most people that aren't glued to a TV set watching endless reruns of Judge Judy to feel that way. I do know there are some people that can pretty much watch the same 40-minute TV episode of something three times in a row (or more) without finding it repetitous,

        • by improfane (855034)

          I think it's more that if you watch one episode from a television show, you know that you know if you like it or not. When you have bought the real thing, you don't watch the one you downloaded.

          The price you pay for the boxset of a television series is for the convenience and without the adverts. You don't even have to watch them more than once for it it to be worthwhile. If you wanted to watch X hours of entertainment, that's the going rate and it's cheaper than the theater. I buy the boxset after it comes

      • I torrent but I am not a pirate.

        You may not be a pirate, but you're a copyright infringer, so there is financial incentive for people to measure your type of behavior and to find you. No, not to stop you, but to get you to pay for a large settlement. If they can get you to buy the DVDs and also pay a few extra thousand for your "crime" that is a win/win for everyone.

        (Well, almost everyone.)

      • In the next decade, it will rapidly become impossible to 'buy' music or movies. You will only be able to buy access licenses (keyed to individual hashed hardware ala WGA) to watch a DRM stream. And the licenses will not be for lifetime access, but merely a yearly, monthly, or most likely per-view rental fee.

        Every facet of the future is gonna suck.
        • by jedidiah (1196)

          Buy your movies now before they put them back in the vault...

          +...or not.

          Right now, physical media offers a wider selection and lower prices. Electronic rentals still need to catch up in this area.

      • by nedlohs (1335013)

        I torrent but I am not a pirate.

        How is this possible?

        Let me guess, it's all linux?

        I recently felt like watching DS9 so I started torrenting a season of it. After watching an episode I proceeded to buy four box sets online.

        Ah not linux. However, that's a very poor argument. You just claimed to torrent but your are not a pirate and your explanation of that is an example of how your pirated an episode of a TV series.

        And no, it doesn't make a difference that you then bought it afterwards. The copyright holder h

    • by master_p (608214)

      And what makes sure that the form of distribution you ask for (basically, the plain files without any sort of protection) are not massively pirated?

      • by jedidiah (1196)

        Since DRM hasn't stopped anything in this regard then what does it matter really?

        All DRM has done has made it impossible for the average Joe to fill his iTunes video collection with stuff he bought in the bargain bin at Walmart.

        If I buy music on physical media, it is not a bother for me to pull it into iTunes or MCE or MythTV.

        If I buy video that way, it is a considerable bother to do the same.

  • I hate to break it to them, but there isn't much 'internet intelligence' out there ...
  • errorbars! don't believe no made-up statistics without they also have made-up errorbars!
  • by Rik Sweeney (471717) on Thursday July 07, 2011 @11:11AM (#36684068) Homepage

    I completely agree that the cost of movies is getting stupid. I watched Transformers 3 last night (it's pretty crap, but the sequence in the city is amazing) and two tickets cost me 18GBP.

    For the 2D version.

    Fortunately I have Orange Wednesdays so I get two tickets for the price of one, 9GBP and then we split the cost, so 4.50GBP, which is a bit more reasonable and what it should have cost to start with (I'm in London BTW).

    I think you should be able to stream the latest releases even while they're in the cinema. For some movies I'd stream them but others I'd go to the cinema to see them on as large a screen as possible.

    • Transformers (Score:4, Interesting)

      by improfane (855034) on Thursday July 07, 2011 @11:20AM (#36684190) Journal

      I had a similar experience but with the 3D version. It was 10 GBP plus 1GBP for the glasses! Rip off.

      There are sequences in that film that are really good fun. Unfortunately there is a lot of bad acting and ridiculous pro-American propaganda.

      The scene that left me gawping was when the voiceover said the Autobots agreed to help the US 'save humans from themselves'. The scene showed a nuclear power plant subtitled 'Illegal Nuclear Site' with Libya flags. Very offensive.

      The irony is that the film is all about freedom and yet freedoms in America are being taken away everyday (Slashdot YROs etc) Plus America supresses the freedoms of other nations too, UK, Libya, Iraq, Vietnam, Guatemala and so on.

      Other than that, the action is good fun but thoughtless. I found the prisoner scene with the Eeinstein robot particularly disturbing.

      • by H0p313ss (811249)

        Unfortunately there is a lot of bad acting and ridiculous pro-American propaganda.

        In a Hollywood action film? I'm shocked! Shocked!!

        Next thing you know there will be musical numbers with lots of dancing in Bollywood Films, will nothing stop this madness?

      • by Nadaka (224565)

        Wait... How are we suppressing the Libyans freedom at the moment? You have at least some argument for the others but last I checked we were providing at least a little support for the freedom of the Libyan people.

        • by improfane (855034)

          This is offtopic but do I believe that we're in this war to support the rebels? It can't possibly be for something we want []. It [] has [] happened [] once [], it will happen again [].

          • by jedidiah (1196)

            The Arab League gave us an ingraved invitation and by golly we took them up on it.

          • by Nadaka (224565)

            It is also incorrect as far as Libya is concerned. The US does not have an oil interest in Lybia, their oil goes almost exclusively to Europe. Qaddafi has been a thorn in our side for decades, our selfish reason for intervening in Libya is removing him, and that just happens to promote the freedom of the Libyan people as well.

            Libya has signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation treaty and it is therefore plausible that a nuclear site used to develop nuclear weapons in Libya could be considered "illegal", it is ha

            • by improfane (855034)

              That begs two questions. Illegal to whom? The US? Who has the right to remove anyone outside our borders? Isn't that the opposite to freedom?

      • The scene showed a nuclear power plant subtitled 'Illegal Nuclear Site' with Libya flags. Very offensive.

        Why is this honestly offensive to anyone that isn't a whiny film critique?

    • If there's no profit from movie tickets there are no theaters, and thus no new movies.

    • by Rolgar (556636)

      Don't give them permission to continue to drive up prices. That is don't go. I've stopped going myself, but I have more important things to spend money on.

      Set the money not spent on tickets aside for a number of months/years necessary to acquire a decent home theater setup. Get the movies free at the library or start a movie club with other like minded individuals. If enough people do it, eventually the theaters will push back on the movie makers to reduce ticket prices. But as long as the makers/producers

  • Consider the source. (Score:5, Informative)

    by olsmeister (1488789) on Thursday July 07, 2011 @11:13AM (#36684086)
    Envisional [] entire business is based on helping companies find out when their stuff is being downloaded illegally. Of course their study will show that piracy is as exploding ... at about the same pace as what they're projecting for next quarter's profits.
  • I was listening to that report on the radio, some of the reasons to explain this were: - faster broadband - user friendlier download sites - people not finding it wrong to download illegal content But they didn't mention how jobless people are supposed to find the money for legit content?... My question is this: Is it ok to draw a parellel between stealing a loaf of bread from a baker and downloading a pirated movie or music file?
    • Re:Shocker? (Score:5, Informative)

      by TenDollarMan (1307733) on Thursday July 07, 2011 @11:30AM (#36684294) Homepage

      Lets just say that a baker has 13 loaves of bread, and I steal one.

      The baker now has only a conventional dozen, and will be angry because of that, as he is now only able to sell 12, not the original 13. Loss in potential profits of about 8%.

      Imagine the bread is digital, and I copy one of those loaves.

      The baker still has 13 loaves, and can still sell them. Repeatedly. His anger is now because his marketplace has diminished by one. Loss in potential profits of 0.000000001%

      It is still wrong, from the baker's perspective, but it's less damaging.

  • by Justin1313 (1787406) on Thursday July 07, 2011 @11:14AM (#36684112)
    Make Bit torrents of your shows complete with commercials, I would download that. And you can track how many downloads for ad revenue.
  • by Rogerborg (306625) on Thursday July 07, 2011 @11:14AM (#36684114) Homepage

    Dear Virgin Media. You (try to) charge me approximately £4-£5 for a 24 hour window of opportunity to stream a bunch of bits to the cable box over there. Or I can use the exact same cable to stream much the same bunch of bits to the network card and hard drive over here, and then I can decode them as many times as I like, indefinitely, at an extra cost of £0.

    I'm not saying that I'd actually do either of these things, but you really aren't making it easy for me to pick the former.

  • by TheophileEscargot (309117) on Thursday July 07, 2011 @11:28AM (#36684268) Homepage
    I wonder if the Universal Pictures / Lovefilm dispute [] has had an impact. Since November 2009 Universal Pictures have refused to make their movies available to most online DVD-rental services. So you want to see one of their movies you have to pirate it, buy it, or switch to Blockbuster.
  • by What the Frag (951841) on Thursday July 07, 2011 @11:29AM (#36684282) Journal

    I live in Germany and I admire many BBC productions. The problem is, after many years of the industry 'fighting piracy', they are still missing the obvious.

    Yes, I consider myself a "TV show pirate". Why am I pirating? Let's say I want to watch the newest Doctor Who. There are a few ways to watch it:

    - legally: Visit UK: Expensive.
    - legally: Buy a huge satellite dish and watch/record it. Expensive and complicated, not possible anywhere.
    - legally: Wait month for DVD.
    - legally: Wait 5 years for any TV station to pick the show up again and show it in Germany with bad synchronization.
    - somewhat legally: watch it on BBCs iplayer via Proxy: Complicated to set up, often slow
    - probably illegally: download it from Filehoster/Newsgroup: easiest and cheapest, also fast.

    So why am I pirating: I'm always picking the fastest, most comfortable and maybe the cheapest way. But I would pay for it, as I would pay for a filehoster or newsgroup provider.

    BBC and others: If you want me to stop piracy, please make a platform that
    - is available everywhere where I have internet access
    - that provides TV shows or movies to an affordable price, with original audio
    - that provides TV shows in decent quality (720p), unencrypted
    - that provides TV shows immediately after being screened.

    I will be your customer.

    • by jedidiah (1196)

      BBC stuff is horrible when it comes to pricing. They are absolute dead last on my shopping list when it comes to content. There's just too much other cheaper stuff out there to get my attention. Now I have started watching some of their stuff on Netflix because it's there and it's cheap enough. If not for their prima donna pricing, I would have a lot more of their stuff (bought and paid for even).

  • people will go for $15-$20 PPV at home for movies at home same day as theater.

    but $30 is to high.

  • Envisional... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Heed00 (1473203) on Thursday July 07, 2011 @11:42AM (#36684470)
    It's not like this company has a vested interest in the numbers going up -- oh no of course not: []

    Envisional’s business is built around unique, patented search technologies and a superb team of experienced analysts. We use this powerful combination to help corporations protect themselves and their customers from fraud, fakes, piracy and online brand abuse.

  • Maybe the solution is to just not care about it? Are the movie producers really gaining anything by chasing filesharers and buying parliamentarians? And aren't they still making loads of money, even with today's massive filesharing?

  • I own CDs because I had the habit of owning records. I came to own records because, in every Parade Magazine in the 1970s, the Columbia Record club offered an astounding 12 albums for one penny. You just had to join the club and agree to try/buy an album each month, and had the right to return the album if you were not completely satisfied. Of course, kids like me wound up paying more and buying a lot of music, and sometimes got an album we didn't like but didn't return (and there was a used record stor

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