LulzSec Posts First Secret Document Dump 835
Dangerous_Minds writes "LulzSec has been vowing to expose government secrets for the last few days. Now they have delivered. According to ZeroPaid, LulzSec has posted secret documents about Arizona Law Enforcement. The release has been posted to file-sharing website ThePirateBay. LulzSec says the release is because they are 'against SB1070 and the racial profiling anti-immigrant police state that is Arizona.'"
Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (Score:5, Interesting)
You really are stupid. I live in AZ. My immediate supervisor is 100% ethnic Mexican (and his grandfather immigrated here). His stance? Fully supports SB1070. It's anti-illegal-immigration.
So.. (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Who knew? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm all for enforcing immigration laws (though I do believe it should be done at the federal level), but that does not mean stopping people for driving while dark-skinned and asking for their papers is anything less than inherent and frankly disgusting racism, codified into law.
Show me where that is written into the law. Someone has lied to you.
For the record, pulling someone over because based on looks is strictly forbidden in the law.
Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (Score:5, Interesting)
As a Mexican, I can say it is true that there are frictions between ethnic groups and geographical regions within the country.
A lot is just stereotype and jokes, like Californians and Appalachians and New Yorkers, etc, might regard each other.
But there is an undercurrent of racism in Mexico, which is not polite to admit in public (People say "this is a country that abolished castes and slavery during its independence war! Of course we are not racists!"), but is true nonetheless.
Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (Score:4, Interesting)
I find your .sig interesting, given that there were Jews in the Nazis who apparently couldn't distinguish between the positions either. Since this means illegal immigrants are now incapable of appealing to the law against forced labour (which is actually very common in the US), slavery hasn't ended either. Russia has reverted to communism because President Raygun failed to provide support for Gorbechev's reforms. And since American independence was founded on no taxation without representation, taxing these people whilst prohibiting them from enjoying any rights whatsoever is clearly a complete destruction of what American independence actually is.
In short, you're not just a fool, you're a damn fool.
Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant (Score:5, Interesting)
And according to Barbara Coloroso, disgust leads to contempt; contempt leads to a view of inferiority and objetification; bullying follows, and at some point any inhumanity can be justified, because after all, they're less than human. She claims this to be the path that has led up to every major genocide of this century.
I'll stop there before somebody Godwins me, and I'm not trying to suggest that all disgust and contempt lead to genocide or even murder, but I do think it's a road best not travelled.
Same old nonsense. (Score:5, Interesting)
Why is it that white people seem to be the most vehemently opposed to any measure to deal with illegal immigration? It's like they're operating from a standpoint of hyper-sensitivity and guilt.
I find it offensive that suggesting that something needs to be done about illegal immigrations leads to a person being branded as a racist. Can anyone explain to me what's unreasonable about keeping people from entering the country illegally? That's the key distinction here: illegal.
My entire family consists of first generation immigrants. My uncle had to wait 7 years for his number to be called because he was coming with his family. And my parents were sponsoring them. I'd say 90% of my closer friends are immigrants and most of them have a problem with illegal immigration. The important thing here is that they all, myself included, came here legally. We followed the process, paid the fees and did whatever was necessary to come here.
So why should someone who felt they didn't want to bother with any of that be given a free ride? And the irony here is that coming illegally merely insures unending hardships. All those illegals who couldn't be bothered to follow the process end up being exploited doing crap work. Had they come here legally they would have had many more options.
My wife, having been in the country one week shy of a year had to pay out of state tuition at the local community college. Now an illegal immigrant enjoys the benefit of paying in-state tuition by virtue of not submitting any paperwork that proves residency. I can appreciate the motivation behind that move, they're trying to encourage illegals to go to school. The problem is, if you're still an illegal when you graduate you're still not going to be able to find work. And ultimately, there really needs to be some level of penalty for breaking the law.
The fact is, however, that there's no way we can realistically deport those already here. We do need to legalize them. But that should never happen before we've addressed the problem of those coming across the border. If we don't do that first we're never going to fix this problem and in fact we'll probably make it worse. It isn't the first time we've tried this.
And the propaganda campaign against the Arizona law was quite effective in how it has misled the American public. It basically mirrors the Federal law already in place and makes it illegal to conduct racial profiling. I found it rather amusing to hear Europeans and the Chinese berate us over the law given that their own immigration policies are much harsher. Hell, Mexico is much tougher on illegal immigrants than we are.
Reminds me of a "joke" (Score:4, Interesting)
An elder Armanian is lying on his death bed surrounded by his sons and grandsons as he passes on his final lessons:
Remember my children, always defend the jews.
The eldest son asks confused: Why the jews?
The elder answers: Because when they are gone, we are next.